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Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.24 11:26:00 -
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Tanks and the fittings for them are way to cheep. Already have a stock pile of them and its growing with no sign of it ever depleating.
Tank dirvers have it so easy its crazy so how about a price hike of 20-50%.
Seems about fair considering the fact tankys can field a tank every game if the want too.
Just dont seem right that I can afford to spawn a tank for every member of my squad.
Not a QQ cos I'm in a tank ROFSTOMPING atm and its getting to the point its not fun anymore because the risk has just gone outa it now.
Edit: ow wait I am QQing cos "give me back the risk factor when spawning in a tank" I guess.
Just seems broke to me thats all.
EDIT: Right after all the chat thats gone of and there were some good points raised on both sides I'm gona say Mid level tanks need a 40-60% price hike and the milita maybe droped a little with the top end tanks being untouched. Sound fair ?
This assumes no tank nerf or AV buff |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:22:00 -
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@ Noc Tempre I love how upset this is making u
Protect the I win tank at all costs lol
Killed 4 tanks so far with dropships so seems the best counter atm well aside from another OP tank.
Out of the top 10 with most kills how many are tank users?
Edit: also you numbers are waaay off or your just fighting scrubs. I get over 100k isk per game so 5-6 games haz me a nice new tank with all the top end mods.
Also how the hell are you broke I'm rolling in isk almost like its the last build. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:48:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:@ Noc Tempre I love how upset this is making u Protect the I win tank at all costs lol Killed 4 tanks so far with dropships so seems the best counter atm well aside from another OP tank. Out of the top 10 with most kills how many are tank users? Edit: also you numbers are waaay off or your just fighting scrubs. I get over 100k isk per game so 5-6 games haz me a nice new tank with all the top end mods. Also how the hell are you broke I'm rolling in isk almost like its the last build. On one hand, I know responding to an obvious troll is pointless because you are making stretched conclusions from cherry picked examples. On the other hand, having your garbage on the first page without pointing out the error is a peeve for me. You don't average 100k isk per game. You have games that get over 100k isk, but no one is averaging that much, even players much better than you or I. Furthermore, even at 100k isk average, it is about 10 rounds for a top fit tier 1 tank. If you shop by price instead of raw performance, yes that price may go down. But if you're in that deep, best to commit the extra 20%. Furthermore you point out the obvious, tanks are not strong enough to justify their prices. If they can "easily be killed" by a single player, then they are a joke. I'm guessing you use militia gear all the time, because that is the only way you would have >5M isk at the moment. Tha't hardly rolling in ISK when that used to take 5-10 games max. And finally, the only reason I am broke is disconnects. Plain and simple 80% of all ISK I've earned this build has been lost to disconnects. Another 10% were barrel-rolling in vipers. And the last 10% were non-militia fits to other players.
Not sure how you can tell me how much isk I'm making every game but go right ahead and as for how good I am I dont pretend to be good I'm an eve tard and this is my first fps on a console so just trying to get thu the matchs without getting stomped.
This aint a troll and its not here to upset you even tho it is and well tho funny I'm not in the game to make peeps rage on the forums.
As for milita gear nope my tanks not milita but it sure aint costing me 1 mil what exactly are you fitting to make it so ?
Also not strong enuf well thats laughable ask the countless forgegunners I just run over.
I loose my tanks to turrets I failed to see (I'm a bad tanky) other tanks thats it.
Edit: anyway I'm interested to see everyones view on this because its nice to see what other people might think and maybe I'm the only guy that thinks this and if so well thats cool with me. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:54:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Nova Knife wrote:The main problem is not enough people running AV. (Militia shock fit does not count because it is just plain terrible and harmless to tanks)
I've lost more tanks to disconnects than I ahve to people blowing them up. Once the new people in the beta start learning how to run AV with av grenandes and nonmilia swarms, maybe we'll actually start dying. Cost increase is not neccessary. Decently fit gunloggi still costs 1m isk or so. I disagree. I've fired off three volleys that hit with the militia swarm and didn't even bring a tank's shields down by half. Yes, I was running militia because I was just getting killed over and over, getting off one volley if I was lucky before getting mowed down no matter how many allies I had nearby (firing a swarm makes you a very obvious target). But with the best swarm launcher you're getting a 50% bonus over the militia swarm, plus whatever you can get with light weapon upgrades. Mathematically, if I'd been using a top-of-the-line swarm launcher (the swarm launcher skill doesn't improve damage anyway), maybe with luck I'd have brought the shields down and dented the armor. Still nowhere near enough to kill the tank. And firing off three locked volleys is really good. It's rare you'll get off more than two if your opponents have any kind of skill or organization--either you'll get shot down or your target will move out of range. I don't think the answer is more expensive tanks, I think the answer is more effective AV. The reason so many AV people run militia is because they know it's a suicide mission to distract the tank and not actually a bid to destroy it. I know there's some reasonable doubt about this, so last night before bed I put together a build with the highest-grade equipment I could get and AV grenades to boot. Next time I encounter one of these tanks I'm going to pour out all the hurt I can and then make a final decision whether the balance is off. Looking at the math, though, it seems unlikely to be effective.
Well I think AV should be more effective too but this was just my idea that lets the Tankys keep the I win ROLFLtank but at a cost. Personaly I'm with you on this one just sort out the AV side of things but was wanting to explore this as an option.
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Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:04:00 -
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Only seeing tankys defending tanks atm. Any other opinions ? |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.24 18:12:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote: Skill up or shut up.
Um I have done got like 4 mil sp in tanks so far and its a blast stomping on lol infantry.
Thinking about this alittle more and reading peeps comments I think my main beef is with the 220k isk tank. Its So much better than the milita but costs hardly anymore yet its epic. The sargris at 1.2 mil might in fact be a little steep considering its not that much better.
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Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.24 18:36:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Icy Tiger wrote: Skill up or shut up.
Um I have done got like 4 mil sp in tanks so far and its a blast stomping on lol infantry. Thinking about this alittle more and reading peeps comments I think my main beef is with the 220k isk tank. Its So much better than the milita but costs hardly anymore yet its epic. The sargris at 1.2 mil might in fact be a little steep considering its not that much better. And I've spent less than 2 mil on skilling into AV and have just as much fun spreading the ashes of lol tanks everywhere. Wait until a few more people are skilling into AV, then try to keep telling us tanks are OP.
Well you sir are a hero and I'm not trolling cos I hate tanks
Keep up the good fight |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 05:51:00 -
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pew pew youredead wrote:Sha karn, i'm tired of being the only one on the map trying to kill you in your tank with my militia heavy and standard forge gun or my militia Soma while your buddy drives along with his tank and shoots me in the back/side/front. but i love when i get a backshot on you with my shotgun =D
biggest issues here are lack of teamwork to cover your AV teammates, everybody is minding his own business trying to kill that guy in front of you while you have a tank decimating your team all around you the fact that trying to take down a gunnlogi with the aforementioned fitting is pointless. i mean i landed like 4 or 5 shots on you or another tank and not even bringing down it to half shield on several ocasions is not really encouraging to skill for AV.
and somas and sicas are a joke compared to standard tanks cost effective wise i would like to see them drop in price so it can be fielded a bit more often to respond to a mutliple standard enemy tank invasion
Now you have a point here about the milita tanks. I see no prob with them being a little cheaper. I would love to see more of these ones about but the standards are so much more powerful yet only cost a little more.
Now to stand up to a tank you need what 2 forge gunners ? maybe 3 ?
Now whats the cost of that ? Standard / proto. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 08:45:00 -
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Tank earnings last 10 games;
87k 105k 56k (spawned in and was almost over) 96k 135k 82k 122k 65k (again half way thu an ambush) 98k 153k
Easy to spot the Skirm matchs because us tankys get huge isk taking out turrets and everyones in a LAV to get about so easy pickings. Edit: Not to mention shooting down all those bolas or wut ever their called is 150 points for each one and I get loads of them lolz
Granted I not a huge ammount of ambush maps maybe only 50% which was nice.
Also killed a few tanks so helps I guess.
Well that mid level tank of mine sure pays the rent , got heaps of Type 2 hvy suits now and a garage full of dropships, not to mention the rather bling Sagas .
Is this because I'm epic good? NO its not its becuase tanks pay dam well.
All you guys being rofl stomped think this is fair ?
Edit: More I think milita tanks and gear need to be cheeper the mid level tanks 40-60% more expensive and well leave the top end tanks and black ops where its at.
Seems like this would iron everything out nice and the tankys get to keep the OP tank untouched but at a price reflecting how powerful they are. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 09:28:00 -
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CCP only ones that can show this to be true or not but likewise prove tank drivers are all poor and have it really hard. Works both ways. Great thing is CCP know and thats what counts. No matter what happens I shall adapt as I have here ..hey look I'm in a tank pwning other tanks.
Question do you see me in scrub gear ever or without a tank ? or dropship on call if I feel the need ?
Only used miltia fit in a few and thats because SI had a group on the other side and I hate fighting em. |
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Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 09:43:00 -
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So your getting the same isk as me . Thats means Noc might be wrong saying I dont earn over 100k on avg ?
Well anyway if this is balanced and its here to stay so be it. WIll enjoy the game all the same
Still think its too cheap tho |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 09:52:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I've never seen you period and i get similar isk in a militia av fit
Well I play a fair bit so dont know what else I can do about that bud. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 11:24:00 -
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Chris Gaechmoor wrote:4 full hits of a milita swarm launcher kill militia HAV
looks pretty good balanced to me
I agree with you that seems about right but thats not the tanks I'm really talking about. Its the next ones up that are cheap yet uber powerful.
Milita: 110k Standard: 400k Advanced: 1.1mil Black ops : lolz
This just seems to make more sense to me.
@ Khun-Al. Yea I dont know whats going on with that have had a few wierd ones myself where pay did not reflect performance. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 11:42:00 -
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Well since your done calling people idiots for having an opinion. I'm normaly the squad leader so perhaps thats pulling me in more isk. Other than that I dont see what else I might be doing diff from anyone else.
As for your adv tank yea it might well not be worth it isk wise. Not when you can take the cheep one thats nearly as good. See my point even a little.
I can put my hands up and say yea I might have been wrong about raising the price of em all hell lower the milita and the top end ones but this the basic ones that are outa wack. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 11:49:00 -
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I wont lie I only have experience with the Shield tanks but can say 100% for sure I wont bother with the Sarg. Well maybe just on the path to get the black ops tank since ccp gave me a free one
Not sure if troll about the armor fit not actualy checked prices or common fits for those.
Edit: Either way I agree the gunlog is the prob for sure. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 12:01:00 -
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Well I certainly do my fair share of er Tactical withdraws thats for sure. I have about 5.5 mil sp atm I doubt thats that far ahead of 90% of the player base I suck at AP now since I only have type II hvy suits and scrub guns
So noc can we agree then that the Milita and Advanced tanks could be a little cheeper but the standards need at least a little price hike ?
Com on thats some good middle ground that .
As for the black Ops well thats a loltastic price tag so maybe we should wait to see how they perform .
Edit: If it makes you feel any better my tank store of 4 tanks is down to 1 thanks to server |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 12:23:00 -
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Thats if the server is up |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.25 15:56:00 -
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To be fair Noc did knida say sorry for the name calling in a round about way so its all cool with me. Also sssssh this is a steath nerf the tank thread so less about team work and stuffz ok. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.08.26 10:46:00 -
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6 tanks kills so far with this one Myron of mine. Recommend it as its heaps of fun both flying and killing tanks is a reward in its self.
In other news now that I have a buddy remote repping me in a little spider tank formation its loltastic.
Think I have gone about 25 games with the same one now.
Made me well over 2 mil isk.
Just gutted I didnt go armor tank for all the extra war point bonus it would give.
So anyway yea this tanks payed 4 its self 4 times over.
Nerf the gunloggi or up the price! |
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