Ah, look who finally decided to join and put in their blatantly falsified information.

Seriously, mates, if you're so butt-hurt about do what you said you were going to do and leave..! You're the -only ones- complaining that Tanks are over-powered while the rest of us are still thinking that they're -under powered- by comparison to the hulking sky masses in space. You realize how long it takes to down a Titan? Hours.

Yet, for some reason, you're clamoring for reform over the fact that you didn't spec for an anti-vehicular role and can't remove the situation by non-conventional means. It's truly amusing.

I will say this as many times as it takes

FIND
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Too bad it's not yours.

Ah, look who finally decided to join and put in their blatantly falsified information.

Seriously, mates, if you're so butt-hurt about do what you said you were going to do and leave..! You're the -only ones- complaining that Tanks are over-powered while the rest of us are still thinking that they're -under powered- by comparison to the hulking sky masses in space. You realize how long it takes to down a Titan? Hours.

Yet, for some reason, you're clamoring for reform over the fact that you didn't spec for an anti-vehicular role and can't remove the situation by non-conventional means. It's truly amusing.

I will say this as many times as it takes

FIND
A
DIFFERENT
GAME

when you can put up 80-100 kills with little effort or when your teams getting redlined and you can just roll around the map doing whatever you want I beg to differ. When you can spec into godly tanks faster than you can get proto dropsuits I beg to differ. When your SP gain almost doubles when in a tank vs on the ground i beg to differ.

+1
After being killed to many times by tanks, i trained for proto swarm launchers and started to hunt them.
I think tanks are pretty balanced.

I wish I could like my own posts

Oh this is gorgeous - really? This is your comeback? You're stating that First Person Shooter games are entirely encompassing allowing the new player to win, and that players who have invested time, effort and finance into the game are not allowed to get back what they invested.

What happened to the days when Challenge was considered something to aim for? What happened to learning, adapting and overcoming opposition to be rewarded with a greater high and sense of achievement? Sounds more like you've just gotten too spoiled on the spoon-fed servings that the FPS genre has been watered down to, where everything is perfectly balanced so that no-one has a real advantage over another player - and thusly will never truly be considered what Dust 514 mercs really are:

Demigods. Immortals. Deities. Empyreans.

Your argument is entirely invalid and has absolute no worth behind your words - your reasonings as sheer opinions rather than contextual feedback. Your reasoning for Tanks being over-powered is simply that they are working by design, and that this upsets you because it is simply this:

Something you are not accustomed to.

Thank you. You're probably one of the ones I have to actually put some effort into killing because you're not running up on the tank shooting at it with an Assault Rifle and throwing Militia Locus Grenades at it.

Seriously, people, it's not hard. You see a tank - and you know you can't do anything to it - RUN THE **** AWAY.

Christ, it's not like I can capture objectives with the ******* thing.

I deal 6.5k damage against with a #OneManArmy loadout and I have tanks of my own so quit assuming **** because it's making you look stupid.

I've spent thousands of hours across multiple MMORPG's I've held leader board positions at the age of 12 in PVP's. Don't tell me I'm not accustomed to it. I know how your ****** MMORPG's work. I know the ins and the outs. I know why you like to play them. I understand. but it all became clear to me when I started playing FPS'. YOU'RE WRONG. The games you like to play take nothing other than better equipment to win, which guess what, thanks to micro transactions in EVE/dust means NOTHING. I was always the poor player, whatever I had I made and worked for, while all you could just skip to the best gear because you had "points" or in this case "AUR". Your game means nothing to win at. you win what? spending more time or money on the game then being able to beat down on people who haven't spent as much? why would I want to play something like that? I want to play a game where skill determines all. not how long or how much money you're willing to put into the game.

Tanks aren't OP. Marauders are OP. someone justify wtf you need a 1.5damage mod on a super tank? What exactly are you needing that firepower for except other tanks? Only thing in the game with that kinda damage... Or ehp.... It's mostly going to depend on map design.

I've spent thousands of hours across multiple MMORPG's I've held leader board positions at the age of 12 in PVP's. Don't tell me I'm not accustomed to it. I know how your ****** MMORPG's work. I know the ins and the outs. I know why you like to play them. I understand. but it all became clear to me when I started playing FPS'. YOU'RE WRONG. The games you like to play take nothing other than better equipment to win, which guess what, thanks to micro transactions in EVE/dust means NOTHING. I was always the poor player, whatever I had I made and worked for, while all you could just skip to the best gear because you had "points" or in this case "AUR". Your game means nothing to win at. you win what? spending more time or money on the game then being able to beat down on people who haven't spent as much? why would I want to play something like that? I want to play a game where skill determines all. not how long or how much money you're willing to put into the game.

I don't have a problem with all these vehicles as I have my assault or AV fit to chose from.
I do however realise why many do. This is supposed, we were told, to be a MMOFPS.... well it's neither.
Most games I play now are just plain no fun and boring. I know CCP want to cater for eve players too, which is also rather silly as obviously 90% of them have no clue what an FPS is.
I just hope it gets better next build because I do want this game to work, but it should be obvious by the numbers playing as it stands, it is not.....
I'm sure when grouping comes things will get much better, and I have fingers crossed.
This game should absolutely NOT be all about vehicles, which it is now. I'm ok to give CCP a chance, but I'm not holding my breath.

As far as running - try using Cover instead of traversing an open field. As far as free-to-pay models, don't know what to tell you mate. Free game, pay for additional bonuses, suppose you should just leave and find another game as you said you were going to do instead of arguing your point senselessly on an internet forum thread that will inevitably be overlooked or removed for an equally stupid argument.

We're done here.

you buckled. I won. GF tanks are OP and Dust is **** it's official. I can't believe one of your stubborn asses finally quit LOLOLOL

Let's say I start a new account in eve and fly around in my starter ship. I decide to try and gank a battleship in null sec. He kills me with ease. That is how I see your argument.

Now let's try something different. I am a starter ship in a corp flying in null sec. I don't expect to kill anything larger than me or more time invested players, but I can still be useful. My corp uses blasters, a short range weapon and the enemy is very far out. I can be used to fly out to where the enemy is located and, without attempting to kill anything, and have my whole fleet warp to me, allowing them to come into range of the enemy. That is called being useful.

Not everything in this game is killing related. This can be put into Dust terms if it had to.

are you thick?

Still playing the game. -Shrug-. Enjoying the hell out of the tear harvest too. Your welcome to continue with that self-pity if it keeps you in game, feeding me ISK/SP.

Are you an idiot?

I don't even play the game LOL just trying to fix it until it is playable! :D

I've spent thousands of hours across multiple MMORPG's I've held leader board positions at the age of 12 in PVP's. .

your tank can move faster than I can with a kenetic enhancer and an assault dropsuit. please explain to me how running will help.

As a surya driver tanks are perfectly balanced, you got to put more sp into them then going for proto gear, If you train to proto swarms or proto forge it can really do some nasty damage to the sagaris or surya

Fix it by not playing it and providing feedback which is based on assumption rather than evidence, fact, or reason. My work here is done. Revel in it.

Thousands of hours and you cant escape or avoid a lousy tank ?
Try to run where he cant follow you, and put cover between you and the tank, also avoid it in the open.

im pretty sure the only thing you got thought during your FPS career was bad manners.

you still can't beat someone with 1 hour experience if your enemy has 100 days experience. aka no skill involved.

the tank can follow and camp me out. people know me after seeing my name in the kill feed after about 5 minutes and they know I'm proto, they want the money from my gear.

@ Aeon.

The problem is most people who are playing dust or who tried it and left came here expecting a. MMOFPS.
NOT a. SMALLMO VEHICLE WAR game.......... As I said I'm waitng, but not with baited breath.

Give me a valid reason as to why you think this way instead of just saying it. You're proving nothing.

I've spent thousands of hours across multiple MMORPG's I've held leader board positions at the age of 12 in PVP's. Don't tell me I'm not accustomed to it. I know how your ****** MMORPG's work. I know the ins and the outs. I know why you like to play them. I understand. but it all became clear to me when I started playing FPS'. YOU'RE WRONG. The games you like to play take nothing other than better equipment to win, which guess what, thanks to micro transactions in EVE/dust means NOTHING. I was always the poor player, whatever I had I made and worked for, while all you could just skip to the best gear because you had "points" or in this case "AUR". Your game means nothing to win at. you win what? spending more time or money on the game then being able to beat down on people who haven't spent as much? why would I want to play something like that? I want to play a game where skill determines all. not how long or how much money you're willing to put into the game.

I wish I could like my own posts

Seriously, I have yet to hear a single valid reason as to why these are over-powered.

"They make more SP than anyone else" - right, they're making more kills, getting kill assists, and destroying other vehicles/installations. All of which give them massive bonuses to their skill-points - as intended. You can make almost as much if not the same amount by operating in an area marked by a squad leader, as defense markers give you 50% to points accrued in their area of effect.

"They can parade around and not die" - And this is the tank's fault? Sounds more like bad planning, bad organization, and absolute refusal to have a (worthwhile) AV set-up on hand. Why the absolute **** should a militia swarm launcher be able to kill a Marauder easily? It shouldn't - and currently prototype AV weaponry against Marauders is incredibly well balanced as infantry is more maneuverable and can duck behind cover, effectively out of range of the tank's weapon systems.

"They're over-powered" Why?

"They shouldn't have 1.5 damage mod" Why not? You have increased damage from your weaponry by putting skill points into it, in fact you even have a skill called Weaponry that increases the damage of your weapons -ON TOP- of the actual weapon skill (sniper rifle operation, for example) that totals out to a 100% damage increase or further at all skills level five.

There are -NO- skills that increase vehicle damage, only the vehicle itself, the turret, and modules equipped.

when you can put up 80-100 kills with little effort or when your teams getting redlined and you can just roll around the map doing whatever you want I beg to differ. When you can spec into godly tanks faster than you can get proto dropsuits I beg to differ. When your SP gain almost doubles when in a tank vs on the ground i beg to differ.

name ONE time a tank has totally wiped the map totally by his self without any help of his team? if a tank is kicking your teams ass than YOU dont have what is needed to defeat them, its not his fault your gonna run around in a proto assault suit with a AR and ***** that a tank is killing you, A TANK SHOULD KILL YOU,

y does no one ever consider that tanks are a thing that is needed on BOTH teams, if one team has a badass sagaris and the other team has no vehicles, its a no brainer, thats like bitching that u cant win when u have a bunch of AV guys against a team of nothing but hardcore assault infantry

It's a lot harder to drive a tank than you think. The ones that do get that many kills, are the ones that know what they are doing.

Listen here nub I have a proto swarm launcher. TBH 4 shots with that thing should take any tank down. I haven't killed an armored tank with my proto swarms yet.

[quote=Aeon Amadi][quote=ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS]
Seriously ??? Do you actually play dust514. ? .
24 people is not massive.
Vehicles galore nearly every game.

If an FPS is me spending a whole game shooting at vehicles from rooftops, then I obviuosly miss understood the FPS part.

Rubbish . My second weekend of having skilled up a tank and I got 54:2 which is waaaaaaay above my skill level on foot.

If I'm drunk or really lazy I just get in the tank and play on easy mode because thats exactly what it is. Took me 1 weekend grinding to Proto fit it ( faill fit no doubt but I give 2 x f"cks its a tank after all)).

Tanks even at 1 mil are a great deal for godlike powers and the only challange you ever face is when your actualy fighting other tanks which I have to say was fun and the only thing I look forward to when I'm sitting in one.


Also dont give me I must be a good tank diver because I'm horrible at it and half my team on coms just snigger at me as I drive into one wall after another.


@Terrarim

Only counter I have found is to load up a scout suit with a proto Swarmlauncher and wait for it to get a little beat up from some other poor soul fighting it then jump ontop of it and hipfire the dam thing into it. Almost always die if the tank explodes but hell its worth it.

name ONE time a tank has totally wiped the map totally by his self without any help of his team? if a tank is kicking your teams ass than YOU dont have what is needed to defeat them, its not his fault your gonna run around in a proto assault suit with a AR and ***** that a tank is killing you, A TANK SHOULD KILL YOU,

y does no one ever consider that tanks are a thing that is needed on BOTH teams, if one team has a badass sagaris and the other team has no vehicles, its a no brainer, thats like bitching that u cant win when u have a bunch of AV guys against a team of nothing but hardcore assault infantry

i will take note that swarms need alitte buff but tanks do not need a nerf, i think the higher grades of swarm launchers need to have not just more rockets, but also increased damage, i do apologize if i seemed alittle biased twards tanks and against assault

You are either lying or the other team had no AV or teamwork. Any tank driver that runs a HAV normally will agree that you have got to know when and where to be and not to be. It is extremely easy to get yourself killed in a HAV. Granted that 1 infantry is not a problem, but when it comes to 4+ AV weapons pounding on you, it becomes hard to maintain.

I have been soloing tanks with re explosives grens and sometimes even my smg to finish lol. However I do feel that if your spawn camping no one watching your six in a static position you should be highly vulnerable to that type of tactics. I don't think this will work in the next build due to the RE nerfs.

I wonder if 2 x RE (four RE's) proto AV grens and a mass driver be a possible AV stealthy killer mmmm.

I take time out from my real life to lie about internets tanks lol.

I was using it normaly I drove about abit shot some dudes then handed it to a corp mate called up a dropship, landed on the big building, called another in then spammed the redline like all the pro tankys do.

I'm doing it right yes ?

if you were forced onto the rooftops, you lost all ground other then those rooftops youre pretty much just mad you cannot run around randomly I got your number. 24 the ceiling?


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This is a game, where is it written all FPS must allow a player day one to tear down player day 1000. Since its a game all whining should stop, this is EvE Dust 514 where time is more valued by CCP.

Several Years of skills, kinda of defeat any hope for player day one to do anything but listen to his elders.

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Go find a developer who will create a FPS, where each players spawns with no penalty, where you can only equip an equal gun, with equal health, with equal speed, with equal stamina. Your perfect FPS will never exist, where everyone is equal, so skill determines outcome is utopian. A shotgun is not equal to a sniper rifle which is not equal to assualt rifle. So youre going to have to comprimise, someone who has a shotgun is not equal to an someone with an Assualt rifle, they will be unequal, with a winner, and looser

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@Advocates for equality. CCP is not in that habit. They are very unfair and cruel devs. Its why I love them

Ah, look who finally decided to join and put in their blatantly falsified information.

Seriously, mates, if you're so butt-hurt about do what you said you were going to do and leave..! You're the -only ones- complaining that Tanks are over-powered while the rest of us are still thinking that they're -under powered- by comparison to the hulking sky masses in space. You realize how long it takes to down a Titan? Hours.

Yet, for some reason, you're clamoring for reform over the fact that you didn't spec for an anti-vehicular role and can't remove the situation by non-conventional means. It's truly amusing.

I will say this as many times as it takes

FIND
A
DIFFERENT
GAME

Perfect Dark, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty (majority of them), Battlefield 3, Medal of Honor, Combat Arms, etc. etc. etc. I've played all of them. Know something interesting is that the only one to have vehicles in that entire line up is the Battlefield series.

Some Dust 514 developers are formerly Dice developers.

Seriously - these vehicles are operating no better than the tanks in the Battlefield series, and the argument here is that they aren't "over-powered" they are just performing as intended and players are reaping the rewards of ill-prepared adversaries who refuse/cannot change to an Anti-Vehicular set up which can counter them. They are getting higher skill point ratios because they are not often defeated when only a handful of the entire player-base is using AV weaponry - the rest are still blatantly attempting to go head-to-head with a tank using an Assault Rifle or Militia gear.

This is what I read^ Blah blah blah I'm a CCP fanboy who is so hardcore because I use tanks

^This is coming from the girl who yells and rages at teammates over comms. BTW tanks are OP

Seriously though tanks should have infantry support as they should be very vulnerable if they stop to soldiers sobotaging their tanks. BF3 balances the tanks out through the use of C4 for example. MAG balances this out with a combination of RPG's and mines.

There is no real way of infantry stopping a tank at the "front lines" at the moment.

I just don't get it ..... I spend most of my time on foot not one sp in vehicles yet I don't seem to be having this problem with tanks people are crying about and I spend most of my time running toward the suckers !

Sha Kharn ruining the discussion with sound logic...

Honestly tho, if 4/12 players are AV focusing on 1 tank and how many tanks are we allowed to have on the map currently?

So ya math doesnt add up, and what is stopping an OP tank from having one of its three gunners jump out or if he is alone clear the area (atleast 10 sec to spawn) and have plenty of time to arm? Heck I do this alone with a dropship and I dont have half the shields or armor, not to mention I dont control a gun. So a half competent FPS player going nuts in a tank could cap and hold two of three objectives pretty easily.

Tanks need to be reduced to only a set number on the map considering the player size, more players more tanks. only 12v12 it should be 2 a team.

Hey what was so illogicmagic about my post? Just saying how I'm finding the tanks and I think they are just great
Saves me heaps of cash using them too not to mention its helping me out with the all important king that is KD ratio.
Another great thing is not having to bother myself with taking points and stuff cos well when I'm in a tank thats just below me.
Let the lesser rofl infantry do that I see no reason us super leet tank dirvers with mad skills should have to get our hands dirty.

Edit and even tho I swear ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS is hunting me every dam game I'm in + 1 good sir.

Hey what was so illogicmagic about my post? Just saying how I'm finding the tanks and I think they are just great
Saves me heaps of cash using them too not to mention its helping me out with the all important king that is KD ratio.
Another great thing is not having to bother myself with taking points and stuff cos well when I'm in a tank thats just below me.
Let the lesser rofl infantry do that I see no reason us super leet tank dirvers with mad skills should have to get our hands dirty.

Edit and even tho I swear ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS is hunting me every dam game I'm in + 1 good sir.

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Have fun playin matches of 5 people on release.

lmao, these guys have no idea. CCP should really reconsider their catering to eve players and start listening to ps3 fps players.
This game won't stay a float and die within months if you can't attract the ps3 fps community FACT.

Yup I'm sorry sha, I do try and hunt you down every game I'm in with you. Because you are good and a challenge and it makes the game fun at least, even though you probably kill me more than I you... Cant believe I've got to go after you with a forge gun though now....

when you can put up 80-100 kills with little effort or when your teams getting redlined and you can just roll around the map doing whatever you want I beg to differ. When you can spec into godly tanks faster than you can get proto dropsuits I beg to differ. When your SP gain almost doubles when in a tank vs on the ground i beg to differ.

I dont think thats to much to ask and it lets 4 guys in on the action.

When you can spec into godly tanks faster than you can get proto dropsuits I beg to differ.

get your head out of the ground. speccing for a proto dropsuit fit doesnt and will never need as much investment as a HAV.

Woah. What if your turrets touch?

Your right I havent thought this thu at all /sadface

lmao, these guys have no idea. CCP should really reconsider their catering to eve players and start listening to ps3 fps players.
This game won't stay a float and die within months if you can't attract the ps3 fps community FACT.

4.6 million invested into dropsuit command vs 2.3 million invested into Vehicle command

Actually, dropsuits only have a 8x multiplier while HAV's have a 12x multiplier. It costs 1.3 million SP to get to level 3 in Gallente HAV, while it costs only 901k SP to get to level 3 dropsuit.

Caldari HAV (12x) 1,351,680 = sagaris
Gallente HAV (12X) 1,341,680 = surya
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Caldari Assault (8x) 4,096,000= Proto assault

I wish I could like my own posts

Since when does FPS mean foot soldier only?

Caldari HAV (12x) 1,351,680 = sagaris
Gallente HAV (12X) 1,341,680 = surya
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Caldari Assault (8x) 4,096,000= Proto assault

At least you would be agreeing with the 168 tank-crews who died at the hands of Feldwebel Kurt Knispel - the top scoring ace for the German 12th Panzer Division/503rd Heavy Panzer Battalion.

Yanno - because tanks actually do kill people and generally survive a pretty hefty amount of fire.

While we're on the subject, another German ace commander, Michael Whittmann, was killed - not directly by enemy fire - but by his own tank's ammunition exploding inside the tank itself.

Considering the time and effort one has to put into HAVs, as well as the associated skills to fit weaponry/armor/shields/etc, it's entirely plausible that they should be vastly superior fighting weapons. Honestly, look in the mirror and ask yourself, does my Gauss Rifle honestly have the capabilities to inflict physical harm on a TANK made of science fiction materials that I will never see in my lifetime?

I can't wait to see the "Orbital Strikes are OP" threads on August 21st. Seriously, if you think slow moving war machines are over-powered just wait until giant light posts are being fired down from the heavens because Squad Alpha of the enemy team were granted one for being objective-based.

Really. I'm not entirely sure how this is even an issue - what did you EXPECT to occur from a knife fight with a 60-ton weapon of (major) destruction?

Tanks have a definite and necessary purpose, but it doesn't take any skill to use them, just time.

The issue really seems to be a lack of players speccing into AV skills or using rocket launchers. As a result, tanks run rampant.

FPS is ours, eve is yours, you can go back to your futuristic real life simulator.

FPS is ours, eve is yours, you can go back to your futuristic real life simulator.

As for tanks are OP, they are OP against 12 randoms who dont know each other, have no mics and are general idiots

Its worst then that though, and I waited til the end of this patch to test it because I didn't want people screaming OP OMG!!!

But fit 2 Surya's with High Resist decent armor, and a Heavy Remote Repair module, have lock each other and repair while shooting over each others shoulders and you have an invulnerable camping location... Tested it by putting both of our Surya's in the middle of the highway directly in front of Charlie, and doing it all match, by the end the entire opposing team was AT and they couldn't take us down even though we weren't moving at all...

Ironically we still lost due to the remainder of our team being incapable of taking the other two points due to all the forge gunners in towers, but if two people in 2 Surya's can hold a capture point guaranteed, with no hope whatsoever of being defeated, even by a couple Proto Forge Gunners raining hell on those spider tanks, I think its safe to say it works...

Unfortunately, even though by not doing this often during this patch we prevented it from being nerfed, after it pops up a lot next patch, I have no doubt whatsoever it will be nerfed before release, which honestly is probably a good thing..