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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:27:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf
Still think your previous FPS community were dedicated gamers? 165 pages.
A close corp friend did a lot of the writing on that one lol. |
Jin J'Rayle
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
60
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:32:00 -
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All you Dust Mercs out there will be wanting to read pages 65-74. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:46:00 -
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Jin J'Rayle wrote:All you Dust Mercs out there will be wanting to read pages 65-74.
Right, interesting stuff.
Because of how console development works they are not able to update as often, though Sony has given them a lot of flexibility, the release process is still slower than the PC.
Two step: What about corporations? Right now in the beta you can't join one, is that stuff just not in the beta yet?
CCP LeKjart: It is not in the beta, and the whole corporations owning districts thing will be part of the nullsec update. The CSM asked about joining player corps in the late 2012 release. CCP said that wasn't currently on the schedule. They don't want to stick something in that would break EVE, and are worried that EVE corps with role management and voting would be too much for DUST players. At the latest, players would be able to join player alliances or corps in 2013. CCP is also looking at including persistent squads, so people can play matches with an ad-hoc group. Two step: So you are saying you don't need planetary control to take sov?
CCP Jian: Yeah, that is right. Sov is sov, planetary control is planetary control, but if you have both then we are looking at bonuses on that. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:46:00 -
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And this is all the proof you need to know that CCP isnt your typical developer, 9 players having a chat at ccp headquaters, getting asked on what they think about new features, altering the way ccp does business, changing features, and giving some thing for ccp to think about when developing new features.
Imagine dust 514 getting similar treatment. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:53:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:And this is all the proof you need to know that CCP isnt your typical developer, 9 players having a chat at ccp headquaters, getting asked on what they think about new features, altering the way ccp does business, changing features, and giving some thing for ccp to think about when developing new features.
Imagine dust 514 getting similar treatment.
That depends on who's doing the talking |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.02 18:19:00 -
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I have to say, that is disappointing to me. Its like they are afriad to put DUST and EVE together. I mean, come on!
They aren't even goin to give us player corps until 2013 now, so thats giant garbage.
CCP needs to rethink this. Even if there is seleration between EVE and DUST, at least add player corps that can engage together in factional warfare or for prestige against other corps. Forget null sec for a second. Give us player corps, and let us go at esch other in high sec. Games that give players the tools to attack ofher organized groups, eveen if it isn't for territory in null sec, are fun, and attract a lasting community.
The ad hoc group system needs to come sooner than late 2012, and it needs to be able to field an entire team at once, not just a squad. This smells too much of BF3-style clans and groups, which were a pile of crap.
I think I need to write a long winded thread on this... |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.02 18:22:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:I have to say, that is disappointing to me. Its like they are afriad to put DUST and EVE together. I mean, come on!
They aren't even goin to give us player corps until 2013 now, so thats giant garbage.
CCP needs to rethink this. Even if there is seleration between EVE and DUST, at least add player corps that can engage together in factional warfare or for prestige against other corps. Forget null sec for a second. Give us player corps, and let us go at esch other in high sec. Games that give players the tools to attack ofher organized groups, eveen if it isn't for territory in null sec, are fun, and attract a lasting community.
The ad hoc group system needs to come sooner than late 2012, and it needs to be able to field an entire team at once, not just a squad. This smells too much of BF3-style clans and groups, which were a pile of crap.
I think I need to write a long winded thread on this...
Of course they're afraid, Nobody else has done it before! |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.02 18:42:00 -
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They're not afraid, they're just taking their time trying to make sure they're doing it right, which makes sense with a project of this magnitude. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2012.08.02 18:44:00 -
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I'm actually bothering to read through all the minutes. I'm on page 31 at the moment, and struggling...
Props to Trebor for actually writing it up! |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.02 18:54:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:They're not afraid, they're just taking their time trying to make sure they're doing it right, which makes sense with a project of this magnitude.
fanboy excuse |
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Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:04:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:They're not afraid, they're just taking their time trying to make sure they're doing it right, which makes sense with a project of this magnitude. fanboy excuse
It's not an excuse, it's an opinion. You want to call me a fanboy for showing this company some respect and having the patience for letting them to do their job, fine, whatever makes you feel good. Now go make a KDR thread or something. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:14:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:It's not an excuse, it's an opinion. You want to call me a fanboy for showing this company some respect and having the patience for letting them to do their job, fine, whatever makes you feel good. Now go make a KDR thread or something. It's the difference between KDR and eve players like us who are always keeping ourselves in the metagame.
The latest LP for kills thing, which was followed by a devblog called 'The FW Exploit 2012 (or: How I learned about FOREX)', should clue in most people to why the integration won't be done fast and recklessly. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:17:00 -
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I'm ok with them waiting to put them together.
But not letting dust players from up into dust clans/corp? WTF????????
That's terrible. They could let us join our own non eve corps. Then when they let us join eve corporations just have your dust corp join an eve alliance. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:26:00 -
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Interesting to see corps won't be in first release. Don't blame them since corp roles is a huge PITA and needs to be streamlined for DUSTies. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:46:00 -
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crazy space wrote:I'm ok with them waiting to put them together.
But not letting dust players from up into dust clans/corp? WTF????????
That's terrible. They could let us join our own non eve corps. Then when they let us join eve corporations just have your dust corp join an eve alliance.
If there are no company battles in the game then what's the point of having companies? As long as they let people form temporary parties to play together, that's all they need. When they eventually incorporate Dust as a method for taking planets, that's when it'd make sense to bother with mercenary companies you can create and join. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:51:00 -
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Exactly what crazy space said. I am fine with waiting for the other stuff, but the whole reason I came to DUST was for the social aspect. Just let players form corps, do clan deploys into battle, and schedule their own corp matches. I guarentee the time will go by much more quickly if they were to do that and let us go at each other.
Its not so much the other things that annoys me as the fact that they don't seem to even be looking at a clan deploying an entire team instead of 4 friends grouping up together and playing. The minimum they could do is give us group deploy with up to 12 players.
Mm. QQ rampage! And where is the 24 v 24 player count promised earlier?! |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:57:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Exactly what crazy space said. I am fine with waiting for the other stuff, but the whole reason I came to DUST was for the social aspect. Just let players form corps, do clan deploys into battle, and schedule their own corp matches. I guarentee the time will go by much more quickly if they were to do that and let us go at each other.
Its not so much the other things that annoys me as the fact that they don't seem to even be looking at a clan deploying an entire team instead of 4 friends grouping up together and playing. The minimum they could do is give us group deploy with up to 12 players. What they're talking about is DUST players in EVE/DUST corps, not DUST-only corps.
The devposts thus far indicate that we're one, or perhaps two, updates from being able to create corporations and play with corp mates. |
SGT Garrisson
On The Brink
60
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:59:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Jin J'Rayle wrote:All you Dust Mercs out there will be wanting to read pages 65-74. Right, interesting stuff. Because of how console development works they are not able to update as often, though Sony has given them a lot of flexibility, the release process is still slower than the PC.
Two step: What about corporations? Right now in the beta you can't join one, is that stuff just not in the beta yet?
CCP LeKjart: It is not in the beta, and the whole corporations owning districts thing will be part of the nullsec update. The CSM asked about joining player corps in the late 2012 release. CCP said that wasn't currently on the schedule. They don't want to stick something in that would break EVE, and are worried that EVE corps with role management and voting would be too much for DUST players. At the latest, players would be able to join player alliances or corps in 2013. CCP is also looking at including persistent squads, so people can play matches with an ad-hoc group. Two step: So you are saying you don't need planetary control to take sov?
CCP Jian: Yeah, that is right. Sov is sov, planetary control is planetary control, but if you have both then we are looking at bonuses on that.
known two step a long time he wont let us get shafted hes a great guy if he is concerned now and thowing ideas in i imagine were in for some good stuff later |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.08.02 20:07:00 -
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"CCP is looking at if they could have simple DUST corps, with chat channels. They understand the importance of corps, and are looking at a concept called "simple corps", with greatly streamlined management. Those might be part of a betarelease, or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join. At the latest, players would be able to join player alliances or corps in 2013. CCP is also looking at including persistent squads, so people can play matches with an ad-hoc group."
pg. 71 |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.02 20:16:00 -
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while im sad that the beta may take into 2013 at the same time i am given hope because it shows to me just how seriously ccp is taking this project.
and just how determined they are to truly give us a completley unique fpsmmo experience.
i tip my hat to you gentlemen and will try to be a respectful non trolling beta forumite.
good luck and godspeed gentlemen |
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Unit-775
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.08.02 20:20:00 -
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Typical CSM 7 is 0.0 alliance dominated.
0.0 alliances have a two sided face, They brag like hell about how great they are, and on the other side the whine like little kids when something is threatening their 0.0 playstyle.
I hope we get our own CSM. Otherwise these losers will try to keep us down so we wont become a problem for them.
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Carilito
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.08.02 20:25:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:while im sad that the ceta may take into 2013 at the same time i am given hope because it shows to me just how seriously ccp is taking this project.
and just how determined they are to truly give us a completley unique fpsmmo experience.
i tip my hat to you gentlemen and will try to be a respectful non trolling beta forumite.
good luck and godspeed gentlemen
Its done when its done I suppose |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.08.02 20:44:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:They're not afraid, they're just taking their time trying to make sure they're doing it right, which makes sense with a project of this magnitude. fanboy excuse
Considering that you posted a smiley face with that comment, I'm going to assume you were just being sarcastic.
As a side note: I generally hate the "oh-he's-a-fanboy" comments because it means the person saying that doesn't have a good rebuttal to what the other person they are alluding to has said.
Back on topic:
Anyways, I agree with Benjamin's comment about CCP taking their time. CCP has always been known to do that for the past nine years and they have improved on being careful and patient since the Crucible Expansion for Eve. CCP will not hurry in any way whatsoever if doing so would result in mistakes that should've otherwise been fixed earlier. They did that once with the Incarna Expansion and they will certainly not ever do that again. |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.08.02 20:47:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:"CCP is looking at if they could have simple DUST corps, with chat channels. They understand the importance of corps, and are looking at a concept called "simple corps", with greatly streamlined management. Those might be part of a betarelease, or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join. At the latest, players would be able to join player alliances or corps in 2013. CCP is also looking at including persistent squads, so people can play matches with an ad-hoc group."
pg. 71 |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.08.02 20:51:00 -
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I suggest everyone to bookmark this post in their browser and download and safe the CSM minutes for future reference in case more noobs keep asking or jump to conclusions. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.02 21:27:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:"CCP is looking at if they could have simple DUST corps, with chat channels. They understand the importance of corps, and are looking at a concept called "simple corps", with greatly streamlined management. Those might be part of a betarelease, or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join. At the latest, players would be able to join player alliances or corps in 2013. CCP is also looking at including persistent squads, so people can play matches with an ad-hoc group."
pg. 71
That is the part that I am happy about, at least they have it on their radar.
The disappointing part was the "simple" part, I kind of want to be able to do the larger corp management even localized to the beta servers, such as financial director or CEO...
But as long as they include full team deploys, I will be happy! |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.02 22:00:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf
Still think your previous FPS community were dedicated gamers? 165 pages.
A close corp friend did a lot of the writing on that one lol.
Thanks for the post, interesting info. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.02 22:02:00 -
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Mind you these minutes are a bit old, alot can change at ccp development in the past months. |
Pt3D
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
221
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Posted - 2012.08.02 22:27:00 -
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CCP has to be TROLLING no Player Corps or Grouping at launch. I know this is a sick, sick joke. |
ryan valentine
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.08.02 22:39:00 -
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Me and my brother have a year old, two-man Eve corp that exists solely to fund our Dust514 war effort and add incentives to join our Corp. These announcements really disappoint me to be honest. Don't misunderstand, I love CCP and understand that Dust will never really be 'complete' in the way other games are BUT I HAVE ALREADY GAVE YOU A TON OF MONEY IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS. The 'District Control' stuff not coming online until the kinks are worked out on SiSi makes total sense but not allowing me to consolidate my assets between the two platforms is lame.
This was the whole selling point for Dust, just to remind you. Lets not pretend like an additional tab under corp management is some monumental undertaking. The fluid exchange of isk and assets between Eve and Dust was the whole basis of the meta-game and don't give me that crap about Eve players having godlike wealth being detrimental to Dust. Postponing financial integration will create an issue here where there doesn't need to be one. Not allowing Dusters to impact on Sov assures a gigantic disparity in isk distribution, why pay premiums for Dusters if they have no impact on anything. Allowing Dusters to play at least some role on Sov issues assures Dusters of large boat loads of isk and will quickly equalize the financial disparity. Whereas forcing us to fight for npc payouts for two years will make us all so comparatively broke ass we will end up the pawns of the established Eve Corps.
The only way we are going to see premium payouts is going to be through player contracts. There isn't a mercenary Corp in Eve that will undock for less than a billion isk, many many many times what the best paying npc contracts pay. And that's the minimum. Not too mention that we can't even grind for easy money since we will more or less always be fighting other players with varying degrees of success. Even as things stand now in the beta it is possible to win your fight and lose money, forcing us to continue in this vein for another 2 years is preposterous.
(Also, I have my securities license and understand the mechanics of free-markets. Your forcing us into the video-game equivalent of sweat-shop labour on behalf of Faction Warfare.) |
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