http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf

Still think your previous FPS community were dedicated gamers? 165 pages.

A close corp friend did a lot of the writing on that one lol.

Me and my brother have a year old, two-man Eve corp that exists solely to fund our Dust514 war effort and add incentives to join our Corp. These announcements really disappoint me to be honest. Don't misunderstand, I love CCP and understand that Dust will never really be 'complete' in the way other games are BUT I HAVE ALREADY GAVE YOU A TON OF MONEY IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS.

Typical
CSM 7 is 0.0 alliance dominated.

0.0 alliances have a two sided face,
They brag like hell about how great they are, and on the other side the whine like little kids when something is threatening their 0.0 playstyle.

I hope we get our own CSM.

Obviously, my sub isn't solely funding Dusts development cycle. I don't play monthly sub games because they are a sad waste of money with the exception of Eve which consistently rewards me for that monthly investment with tons of new content added regularly at no extra cost. Customer satisfaction is pretty important to any business owner, player engagement is pretty important to any video game company and CCP obviously understands that better than most companies in the gaming industry.

The point to that statement was that I spent lots of my money, so that I would be able to pay a collection of Dusters well to fight with me on behalf of my Corp. A Corp that I have worked to optimize on behalf of the Dust514 gameplay. I doubt very much that I am the only person who has invested time and money into the meta-game. So having the only feedback we have gotten thus far regarding how Dust will function at launch essentially deny any meta-game at all is a real disappointment. While I will wait to light up my torch and grab my pitchfork as well, you will have to pardon me for expressing my dismay at the news.

In New Eden, profit is King. As it stands it would make more sense for a Duster to grind npc drones with no significant financial loss than it would to pick up my Mass Driver and lob grenades at the Amarr Militia. One is pure profit, the other is at least occasional losses and consistently lower payouts because of asset loss. They will create a new care-bear scourge. Especially in light of the fact that they keep pointing out that payouts on matches will decrease and asset cost will increase.

I am seriously the only person that see's a problem here?

I just had Warhammer 40k Space Marine chapters flash through my head. Different but similar super soldiers, universally fighting for one side, but still have squabbling between themselves

Just to be clear .. this isn't a 'I will rage-quit' thing.

Its a .. there is no meta-game if we can't employ Dusters through Eve Corps thing. I am heartened that the CSM argued for some degree of integration and disheartened that CCP wasn't even considering it for release. Ya'll should be as well. Even in FW it will stand to reason that their will be industrial benefits to holding Planets (they said as much in the minutes). A streamlined, Duster only Corp is not meta-game. The impact of Dusters on Sov can be field tested in FW given the recent Inferno changes. I want to assure my Corp-mates of good gear and a happy home, I want to assure my Faction (I have no issue with us beginning there) that my Corp is highly regarded by being able to pay my mates well for being awesome.

As a Duster (regardless of how elaborate or not Corp structure is) would you rather work at a loss for an npc corp or get paid a million isk per match by me? Whether those benefits can only be gained in the beginning through FW and later through null Sov makes no difference to me personally. That's all I am saying.

Simple corps doesn't solve this problem because its a Dusters on one side and Eve corps on the other deal. Why would anyone contract a Duster only Corp as the mechanics stand? If anyone can tell me a reason for an Eve Corp to pay a decent payout to a Dust corp that would be otherwise forced to fight for npc's pittance as it stands I will concede that I missed the point and happily go get some beer.

All I am arguing for here is a collective voice saying the only real option is the 'simplified corp division'. Its not an argument against Duster-only corps but some superficial integration will be necessary or else the Dusters are doomed to poverty in New Eden. Eve industrialists will hose them on asset prices, logistic support and orbital bombardment because they have no reason not to. Dusters will grind npc's because they will quickly realize fighting the faction wars (while fun) is a net loss game. If I can at least hire some Dusters and assure them of OB's, gear brought in from the affordable sources and other forms of logistical support then we go tthe beginnings of a meta-game without really ******* with the Eve economy or crashing the Sov alliances over-night and breaking New Eden.

I see the logic in caution but also realize that without a meta-game Dust is a care-bear npc grind for profit.