Just buy a ******* keyboard and a mouse. The rest of us don't want to be handicapped by ****** controls.

Just buy a ******* keyboard and a mouse. The rest of us don't want to be handicapped by ****** controls.

Anything the eve players cry for they get all the ps3 players get the shaft

This IS a PS3 exclusive, you do realise this right?

Anything the eve players cry for they get all the ps3 players get the shaft

It's a good thing the PS3 can support keyboards and mice.


If it was left up to the majority of the FPS community, DUST would end up as another generic shooter. We don't need another CoD or BF.

[Nice points you have there, especially the part where you had no way to defend the fact that the game would be broken anyway. Also, PC's can use the Gamepad.

I can't aim with the controllers so I need to be catered to.

It might be a bit messy at first, but have faith in CCP. EVE is nearing its 10-year anniversary and (AFAIK) is the only MMO to consistently gain players every year.
And yes, you can use a controller for PC. I like to use a 360 controller for some games as they play much better that way (though sometimes this is due to a sloppy port). Shooters are not that type of game. They are best played with a keyboard & mouse, as the gods intended.

Its ps3 exclusive FOR NOW. When it gets released cross platform they'd have to add kbm anyways

When all these people are saying that you can install a keyboard and mouse on a PS3 I have to wonder where the hell their PS3 is. My ps3 is under my TV, in the living room. The living room is not a place where i can place a keyboard and mouse in a comfortable position.

Its ps3 exclusive FOR NOW. When it gets released cross platform they'd have to add kbm anyways

When all these people are saying that you can install a keyboard and mouse on a PS3 I have to wonder where the hell their PS3 is. My ps3 is under my TV, in the living room. The living room is not a place where i can place a keyboard and mouse in a comfortable position.

So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse?

PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason.
"Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority.
Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play.

Adapt or die.

Also this.

A cheapass wireless keyboard's probably a wise investment once they get chat working between DUST and EVE. We elitist spaceshipjerks kind of look down on EVE's built in voice thing (and use private mumble/teamspeak servers), so for srsbuisness in-game diplomacy (getting your oribtal strike guys on the same page) you're going to need to type words very fast at people.

Oh, and a jabber client. Get one of those.

I said this in theyou other thread. It is ccp's game to break if mouse an keyboard breaks the game it will come out of their pockets if they make it work they will keep their bank accounts full. Just go with it an see what happens. If everyone quits playing they will pay for it literally. So they must have a good plan.

I hope so for the sake of dust and their credibility

So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse?

PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason.
"Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority.
Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play.

You have to complain so you don't get ****** in the end...

hurr durr adapt or die

So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse?

PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason.
"Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority.
Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play.

shut up, this is becoming a buzzword and you're using it wrong.

also, being console exclusive doesn't really mean anything in terms of controls. what about the move controls? should they leave too?

also, are you admitting that console controls are ******? most of the real console buffs are very wary of admitting that. surely if you're good with the controller, the keyboard and mouse is irrelevant?

I would say that's true. I've only been using a ds3 for about 2 months now and I consistently post high scores in most matches. A good player should be able to do good with either. As a longtime fps player using gamepads is still **** though

Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that **** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only

Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that **** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only

I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ******** from a business standpoint.

Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move.

/thread

There's already people using kbm through eagle eye and such. I'm not bothered with it.

I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ******** from a business standpoint.

Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move.

/thread

You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs.

Uh...
I only intend to play this with DS3, so...

You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs.

LOL I've outscored you in games and I've only been using ds3 for two months.

That was directed more at the masses of KB/M players that can't aim with the DS3 and cry about ****** controls.

So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse?

PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason.
"Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority.
Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play.

So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse?

PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason.
"Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority.
Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play.

This IS a PS3 exclusive, you do realise this right?

I'd be more receptive to using the DS3 if we were able to reduce what feels like an huge 'deadzone' on the analog sticks (Aren't there options in other ps3 games to change this ?).

In saying that, what happens if the 'move' peripheral suddenly becomes more accurate at aiming than using the DS3 controller wont there still be raging on the forums as per KB/Mouse ?

Here we go again, it is time for another "STABBER MCSHANK PRO-TIP"



THERE ARE MOUSE AND KEYBOARD USERS IN EVERY PS3 FPS RIGHT NOW!!! There, I said it. They are already in EVERY SINGLE FPS on the PS3.

It doesn't matter whether they are using GIMX, Eagle Eye, or Splitfish. They are already in YOUR games and aren't going anywhere.



All CCP is going to do by allowing Mouse and Keyboard natively is even the playing field so that anyone with a cheap $10 setup have the choice to play the same way those with the cash to burn (Eagle Eye or Splitfish) and highly technical (GIMX) are already playing.

These threads serve exactly ZERO purpose. The sooner the ignorant among us learn this, the better.

why can't CCP just recommend those devices and put more attention into adding a party system and fixing the hit detection issues.

They're emulators, so they don't offer the same performance level of just allowing regular mice and keyboards. Also, that post you quoted hit the nail on the head in another way: those devices are hilariously overpriced.
In any case, if they were to just recommend such devices and be done with it, there'd be even more QQ from the KB/M supporters than there has been from the DS3 users so far. I kind of feel sorry for CCP, because there's no bloodless way out of this issue.

Just buy a ******* keyboard and a mouse. The rest of us don't want to be handicapped by ****** controls.

its not the ds3 thats giving you bad controls, its the developer.

Let's see how long this EVE II will last with all the PC players input

A gaming mouse capable of doing 2000 DPI or more, 5600 recommended. $20-70.

Bluetooth:
Another computer capable of running Ubuntu, such as a laptop. (You might already have one, but then again you might not)
A compatible bluetooth adapter that can have it's Bluetooth Address changed. ($5-$20)
Appropriate skill to get Ubuntu running, working, and configured properly.
Enough knowledge so that you don't wipe out your hard drive when installing it. (Important if you want to keep Windows around.)

USB:
Any computer with USB ports. (XP and 7 recommended.)
Materials for USB board. ($10-$20)
Tools to build USB board.
Appropriate skill to get firmware ONTO USB board.
Skills at maniacal laughter as you realize that you can reprogram the breadboard to use it on a 360. (5 skill levels mandatory)

GIMX can require both technical skill and lots of money.

You will need:



Granted that GIMX is the best way to use your KB/M on a console at the moment, it's very daunting to people who aren't that skilled in computer use.... not to mention that the price point, especially for that mouse, can drive people away. Of course, if they REALLY want to use it, the many PC players getting into this game that can do it, will do it. The only people that lose are the people without the skills and/or money to set it up for themselves.

Also, if CCP gimps KB/M for the sake of DS3ers, serious KB/Mers will go this route. If they buff DS3, GIMX and adapter users will get the same bonuses that the DS3 does.

Talk about those catch-22s.

All this campaigning against the KB/M is doing is limiting the control scheme to specific groups of players; it's not eliminating it. It's only going to get worse as the control scheme becomes more and more mainstream on consoles. As the minority gets larger and manufacturers/developers start deeming it profitable to cater to KB/M users, you are going to start seeing KB/M support appear in console titles. At this point, it's only a matter of becoming a large minority.

At least native support gives normal players the ability to try the scheme for themselves without having to spend insane amounts of money to purchase the adapter or set up the program necessary to get KB/M working in the first place.

You will need: A gaming mouse capable of doing 2000 DPI or more, 5600 recommended. $20-70.

Another computer capable of running Ubuntu, such as a laptop.

Appropriate skill to get Ubuntu running, working, and configured properly.

Enough knowledge so that you don't wipe out your hard drive when installing it. (Important if you want to keep Windows around.)

If you guys want keyboard and mouse then go play EVE.

It isn't a matter of want..


THERE ARE ALREADY K+M PLAYERS IN DUST AND EVERY OTHER FPS GAME ON THE PS3.


I am not sure why the above is too complicated for 95% of you to understand. You can't keep keyboard and mouse players out.



And rest assured, if there is any way to gain an advantage using a mouse + keyboard you can expect 100% to have them used against you when you go up against serious null sec Eve Corps.

In Eve anyone who fails to use EVERY single advantage they can under some sort of e-honor code will get crushed by the ones willing to do ANYTHING to win.

If you think this is some Eve-player chest beating, you are wrong. It is just the plain truth of the mentality of the successful Eve players.

No, it is still eg chest-thumping. No matter how you attempt to justify it, and actually the "majority" of players within EVE Online are not such people as the minority attempt to protray.

So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse?

PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason.
"Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority.
Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play.

It isn't a matter of want..


THERE ARE ALREADY K+M PLAYERS IN DUST AND EVERY OTHER FPS GAME ON THE PS3.


I am not sure why the above is too complicated for 95% of you to understand. You can't keep keyboard and mouse players out.



And rest assured, if there is any way to gain an advantage using a mouse + keyboard you can expect 100% to have them used against you when you go up against serious null sec Eve Corps.

In Eve anyone who fails to use EVERY single advantage they can under some sort of e-honor code will get crushed by the ones willing to do ANYTHING to win.

If you think this is some Eve-player chest beating, you are wrong. It is just the plain truth of the mentality of the successful Eve players.


I haven't even brought up what the Russian players in Eve are capable of. They once cut power to someones house so that they could kill his titan when he went linkdead (titans take months of REAL TIME to make and are extremely valuable).

PS3 has full kb/m support so why wouldn't you use it to its fullest? That's like having a V8 and only allowing it to run on 6 cylinders. That's just plain stupid.

So can people shut up about this adapt or die and M+K would kill consoles yes but that is why you bring in things like Auto Aim which is unable to be turned on if using a M+K. And thus given controller users a better chance. but at the end of the day I would be plugging in my high end gaming keybloard and mou7se which is comfier for me and thus would spend more time playing the game. Because if people dont play because they dont like controllers then dustwould end up dieing due to lack of support from players,

TL:DR M+K if properly implemented would not kill the game. Also PS3 controllers are uncomfortable.

It will be left to EVE players who bought a PS3 to play this game, which will be a few thousand players. .

Considering they can run this game off the exact servers being used for Eve (which is quite profitable for them), I suspect they can keep this game online so that the 20k or so Eve players can use it as another metagame for Eve.

I'm sure they will enjoy their circlejerk.

Considering they can run this game off the exact servers being used for Eve (which is quite profitable for them), I suspect they can keep this game online so that the 20k or so Eve players can use it as another metagame for Eve.

I would say it's more like having an archery contest that allows sniper rifles. Sure you can still use bow and arrow if you want, but you will lose. Where does that leave the archery enthusiasts who show up at the archery tournament expecting archery?

Do you guys all complain this much when games like HAWX allow flight stick & rudder controls?

With or without the inclusion of KB&M (Keyboard & Mouse), certain segments of the available market will face barriers to entry.

PC KB&M-diehard barrier to entry: Buying a PS3 console. ($300)
PS3 player barrier to entry: Buying a KB&M. ($20)

It's not the players who need to adapt or die... it's Dust. And it's adapting.

I really don't care what some horse & buggy anti-car luddites think because they don't want to shell out to adapt to the way FPS gaming evolved. I am amused to see them touting 'adapt or die' when they're the ones who should be acting on that mantra.

Learn how to use KB&M NOW, while you're in on the ground-floor. Because PC port WILL happen - maybe not in a year, maybe not in two, but it's inevitable. And when it does, you will rage so much harder that newbie scrubs are melting your well-geared faces. "But my technologically inferior brothers in arms will rage-quit about how it's harder for us now, and CCP will HAVE to listen!"
Yeah... sure. CCP always caters to players who quit their games because they're too hard.
...Heh.

Adapt to the playstyle of the future.

You've GOT to be kidding.

if they ported it to pc then they would lose most of there ps3 players, i can guarentee that. ccp say we made a exclusive for console so you guys can make your own stories in new eded, then they turn on us, add m/kb to console, then port it to the pc, i think that would be one stupid descision. first to add m/kb support to a ps3 game then port it to pc. you know how angry the ps3 community would get. and if they did put it on pc they would have to put eve on console.

Learn how to use KB&M NOW

i dont think anyone needs to learn how to use a KB/M cause i think most learned that in elementary school. The reason most ps3 players hate the idea cause its like easy mode an the reason pc players want it cause they suk if they dont have it. so really pc players need to adapt or die

I have played shooters all my life with the Gamepad, I have no problem, if everyone else has to deal with the 'Crappy aiming' so do I, that seems fair. When a PC gamer uses a Mouse and Keyboard against the Gamepad It is like agreeing to a fist fight but the opponent secretly has a knife. What you fail to realise is that this game is not multi-platform. This game is for PS3 only, not only that, it is going to be free so there is going to be [A LOT] of casuals. You expect them to buy a Keyboard and Mouse? On a platform that almost exclusively uses the Gamepad? Fat chance, what will end up happening is the EvE players will get Mouse and Keyboard support, the game will be broken... everyone but the PC gamers will ragequit and after the game dies they will just go back to EvE.

Its ps3 exclusive FOR NOW. When it gets released cross platform they'd have to add kbm anyways

Just, don't add the KB&M, the negatives FAR outweigh the positives.

Did you even read half of the posts in the thread?

KB+M is already being used in DUST and every other PS3 FPS. Scream all you like, whine all you like, deny it all you like but it is a FACT.


You can blow as much hot air as you like about the subject, but no matter what CCP does you will be getting shot at by someone with a KB+M so get over it.

A large portion is against adding KB+M so no, we won't stop complaining... so yeah, **** off.

Talk about being flat out brain-deficient. You are against adding something that is in EVERY PS3 game RIGHT NOW in hopes of a level playing field that doesn't exist (because people are already using KB+M in PS3 FPS). All you do when you don't allow KB+M is allow those THAT ARE ALREADY USING IT to continue to run amok in your game.


I think you pubbies have finally done it, my brain is actually hemorrhaging from all the dimwits that don't have the ability to comprehend basic logic and facts.

Just buy a ******* keyboard and a mouse. The rest of us don't want to be handicapped by ****** controls.

no sorry this is not the CSS YOUR LOOKING FOR !!!

A large portion is against adding KB+M so no, we won't stop complaining... so yeah, **** off.

KB+M is already being used in DUST and every other PS3 FPS

Actually, when KB + M is emulated it has problems with LAG and such, so no need to make it easier.

Actually, yes it does.

Make it easier for people to have an unfair advantage? That's all I'm hearing.

Actually, allowing it makes it much harder to have an unfair advantage. Right now, only people willing to shell out $50-$150 for a converter device are able to play with KMB, giving them a very large advantage over the average PS3 user. However, if you simply make KBM available to ALL players, without the need for a converter, then all those people that can't spend the extra money for a converter, can just go grab their mouse and keyboard from their computer, plug them in, and play. Suddenly the entire community has access to the same controls, without the need for extra hardware.

I personally don't understand how this is an "unfair advantage" when every player has the same opportunity to use it. That would be like setting up a fight, and giving each fighter a set of brass knuckles. Fighter A picks up the brass knuckles, and Fighter B says "I don't need those to win this fight". They fight, and Fighter A wins, in response Fighter B says "He cheated, he only beat me because he had brass knuckles". Do you see the flaw in this logic? because you are using the same argument.

Where's my text gone

what?

i dont really care who uses what i use controller because its what im used to if some1 wants to use a mouse and its alowed then they should be able to use it with out a bunch of people telling them they suck because they use it. and osiris your cool with me but what veigar was saying is that if you have the oprotunity to use something better and you dont use it dont complain about it when you get killed by it.

here 2 players same skills and everything both can use proto guns and suits

Player A choses proto suit and weapons player B choses milita
player a wins player b complainsbut it was player b's fault that he lost

that was what he was sayin
who wins decides not on gear it is on skill a noob is still a noob no mater his gear
if you have = skill then oh well i guess kb/m wins spawn back in (with a tank) and kill him kb/m wont really help him now will it.
now stop complaining

Its an unfair advantage because your assuming everyone has a kb\m. They don't. Secondly your assuming that the peripheral is balenced brass knuckles=brass knuckles. kb\m >controller, so do you see the flaw in yours. so let's give a better analogy.

The main flaw in this ideology - casual gamepad players wont get raped by hardcore KBM players, they wont ever see each other. "What? How can you make that declaration?" you say? Simple - casual gamepad players are going to be the guys that hop into HI-Sec, queue up a quick ambush game, worry about their KDR for 5-10 minutes, finish, and queue up again.

The casual guys aren't going to be grinding 3-5 hours a day in Null-Sec fighting Sov matches between massive corporations, they're going to log on, play a little, and log off. Maybe there will be a few KBM guys that stick to Hi-Sec, and like the quick moment to moment non-persistent matches, but they will probably be ranked significantly higher than the gamepad players and they wont get matched together terribly often.

Again, the hardcore KBM players will probably be doing Sov matches in Null-Sec, fighting with player corps and doing very NPC related activity. This isn't going to be a big deal outside the beta. Sure, people will ***** and moan while our current online players float around 500-800 throughout the course of the beta, but when player counts get up into the 10k's and 100k's, it really just wont matter.

Quit crying about this "gamebreaking" control scheme that you have yet to even see details for, or experience for yourself. Don't knock it before you try it.


-All is fair in love and war, and this my friends, is war.

There is no flaw in my analogy, you simply didn't think it through. Brass knuckles(A) > bare fists(B), KBM(A) > gamepad(B). Each fighter has the ability use either the better brass knuckles, or the weaker bare fists. Same goes for Dust, you can use either the better KBM or the "weaker" gamepad. No player is restricted from using a particular option, so no player has an "unfair" advantage over the next. If one player decides not to use KBM and another does, then obviously the KBM player does have an advantage, but it is in no way shape or form unfair. It is however unfair if you restrict the option from players that aren't willing to shell out the extra cash for an Eagle Eye or XIM3.

And I don't care how much you want to tell me "some people don't have KBM", that is absolute BS. Maybe 1/1000 people don't have it, but really, how many people do you know these days that don't have a computer?

Also, I refer you to my previous post:

There are numerous flaws in your analogy, including that assumption. As I went on to describe in the other five sixths of my post which you conveniently decided to discard, As for that post you just showed me, well, that's just your PC elitism, which for you does take the form of an ideology.

lol... PC elitism.. yeah right. I've been playing FPS games on consoles since the first Halo. I've played very few FPS games on PC. Which scheme would I prefer? Well, that depends.

If I want to kick back with friends, drink some pop/beer/liquor, and just relax and play a game, I'm gonna use a gamepad. However, if I want to get real hardcore about a game, and really take it heavily, I would much rather use KBM. I've been a console player all my life, starting with the N64, Dreamcast, played SNES once in a while but that was really a little bit before me. KBM is simply the way I would go for an FPS game, same with a lot of other players.

I would much rather see this option readily available to all, rather than winning simply because I bought an Eagle Eye (I was about to, then MAG really died off and Dust 514 was announcing KBM support).

I disagree, I'd rather have a small few players playing with the Eagle eye than for the game to end up with a small player base all using kb\m.

I still say people are afraid of Kb/M. Get off your crutch of controller and learn to play with the big dogs. People that put down Kb/m have never played a FPS on computer competitifly (how ever you spell that ****, google didnt know, lol)

So you would rather have a few people cheating and dominating the game, than a large amount of people using the tools provided to them? sounds pretty stupid to me.

I love how everyone keeps assuming that KB+M is an advantage - whether they're planning to use it or not.

We don't know that until we know how the game will implement the new control scheme. Wait for the next build before making that call. If it turns out to REALLY be fair, I'll be laughing at most people posting on this topic. If it turns out that KB+M is gimped horribly, I'll be laughing even harder.

Lol, it's basic economics.

Adapt or die

i play both ps3 shooters and recently pc shooters , i would use mouse over ds personally, not because i prefer m/kb, but because i would have an advantage over the ds users, and make the game a little easier for me, give me an edge, and as a long time console player, that makes me sad :( , it's a ps3 game made for the console audience , wich mostly is outnumbered in the forum by pc/eve players at this point in time. thing is, if pc players quit dust, they can still play eve and make ccp money, but if console players leave dust , no eve on console, so no money for ccp from those players.