DUST Search - Mouse and Keyboard will break the game

Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:

The main flaw in this ideology - casual gamepad players wont get raped by hardcore KBM players, they wont ever see each other. "What? How can you make that declaration?" you say? Simple - casual gamepad players are going to be the guys that hop into HI-Sec, queue up a quick ambush game, worry about their KDR for 5-10 minutes, finish, and queue up again.

The casual guys aren't going to be grinding 3-5 hours a day in Null-Sec fighting Sov matches between massive corporations, they're going to log on, play a little, and log off. Maybe there will be a few KBM guys that stick to Hi-Sec, and like the quick moment to moment non-persistent matches, but they will probably be ranked significantly higher than the gamepad players and they wont get matched together terribly often.

Again, the hardcore KBM players will probably be doing Sov matches in Null-Sec, fighting with player corps and doing very NPC related activity. This isn't going to be a big deal outside the beta. Sure, people will ***** and moan while our current online players float around 500-800 throughout the course of the beta, but when player counts get up into the 10k's and 100k's, it really just wont matter.

Quit crying about this "gamebreaking" control scheme that you have yet to even see details for, or experience for yourself. Don't knock it before you try it.

-All is fair in love and war, and this my friends, is war.


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Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.29 02:59:00 - [1] - Quote The main flaw in this ideology - casual gamepad players wont get raped by hardcore KBM players, they wont ever see each other. "What? How can you make that declaration?" you say? Simple - casual gamepad players are going to be the guys that hop into HI-Sec, queue up a quick ambush game, worry about their KDR for 5-10 minutes, finish, and queue up again. The casual guys aren't going to be grinding 3-5 hours a day in Null-Sec fighting Sov matches between massive corporations, they're going to log on, play a little, and log off. Maybe there will be a few KBM guys that stick to Hi-Sec, and like the quick moment to moment non-persistent matches, but they will probably be ranked significantly higher than the gamepad players and they wont get matched together terribly often. Again, the hardcore KBM players will probably be doing Sov matches in Null-Sec, fighting with player corps and doing very NPC related activity. This isn't going to be a big deal outside the beta. Sure, people will ***** and moan while our current online players float around 500-800 throughout the course of the beta, but when player counts get up into the 10k's and 100k's, it really just wont matter. Quit crying about this "gamebreaking" control scheme that you have yet to even see details for, or experience for yourself. Don't knock it before you try it. -All is fair in love and war, and this my friends, is war.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.29 23:35:00 - [2] - Quote Sid Napier wrote: Stabber McShank wrote: Sid Napier wrote: A large portion is against adding KB+M so no, we won't stop complaining... so yeah, **** off. Talk about being flat out brain-deficient. You are against adding something that is in EVERY PS3 game RIGHT NOW in hopes of a level playing field that doesn't exist (because people are already using KB+M in PS3 FPS). All you do when you don't allow KB+M is allow those THAT ARE ALREADY USING IT to continue to run amok in your game. I think you pubbies have finally done it, my brain is actually hemorrhaging from all the dimwits that don't have the ability to comprehend basic logic and facts. Make it easier for people to have an unfair advantage? That's all I'm hearing. Actually, allowing it makes it much harder to have an unfair advantage. Right now, only people willing to shell out $50-$150 for a converter device are able to play with KMB, giving them a very large advantage over the average PS3 user. However, if you simply make KBM available to ALL players, without the need for a converter, then all those people that can't spend the extra money for a converter, can just go grab their mouse and keyboard from their computer, plug them in, and play. Suddenly the entire community has access to the same controls, without the need for extra hardware. I personally don't understand how this is an "unfair advantage" when every player has the same opportunity to use it. That would be like setting up a fight, and giving each fighter a set of brass knuckles. Fighter A picks up the brass knuckles, and Fighter B says "I don't need those to win this fight". They fight, and Fighter A wins, in response Fighter B says "He cheated, he only beat me because he had brass knuckles". Do you see the flaw in this logic? because you are using the same argument.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.30 00:35:00 - [3] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: Where's my text gone what?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.30 02:09:00 - [4] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: Its an unfair advantage because your assuming everyone has a kb\m. They don't. Secondly your assuming that the peripheral is balenced brass knuckles=brass knuckles. kb\m >controller, so do you see the flaw in yours. so let's give a better analogy. There is no flaw in my analogy, you simply didn't think it through. Brass knuckles(A) > bare fists(B), KBM(A) > gamepad(B). Each fighter has the ability use either the better brass knuckles, or the weaker bare fists. Same goes for Dust, you can use either the better KBM or the "weaker" gamepad. No player is restricted from using a particular option, so no player has an "unfair" advantage over the next. If one player decides not to use KBM and another does, then obviously the KBM player does have an advantage, but it is in no way shape or form unfair. It is however unfair if you restrict the option from players that aren't willing to shell out the extra cash for an Eagle Eye or XIM3. And I don't care how much you want to tell me "some people don't have KBM", that is absolute BS. Maybe 1/1000 people don't have it, but really, how many people do you know these days that don't have a computer? Also, I refer you to my previous post: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: The main flaw in this ideology - casual gamepad players wont get raped by hardcore KBM players, they wont ever see each other. "What? How can you make that declaration?" you say? Simple - casual gamepad players are going to be the guys that hop into HI-Sec, queue up a quick ambush game, worry about their KDR for 5-10 minutes, finish, and queue up again. The casual guys aren't going to be grinding 3-5 hours a day in Null-Sec fighting Sov matches between massive corporations, they're going to log on, play a little, and log off. Maybe there will be a few KBM guys that stick to Hi-Sec, and like the quick moment to moment non-persistent matches, but they will probably be ranked significantly higher than the gamepad players and they wont get matched together terribly often. Again, the hardcore KBM players will probably be doing Sov matches in Null-Sec, fighting with player corps and doing very NPC related activity. This isn't going to be a big deal outside the beta. Sure, people will ***** and moan while our current online players float around 500-800 throughout the course of the beta, but when player counts get up into the 10k's and 100k's, it really just wont matter. Quit crying about this "gamebreaking" control scheme that you have yet to even see details for, or experience for yourself. Don't knock it before you try it. -All is fair in love and war, and this my friends, is war.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.30 02:44:00 - [5] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: There are numerous flaws in your analogy, including that assumption. As I went on to describe in the other five sixths of my post which you conveniently decided to discard, As for that post you just showed me, well, that's just your PC elitism, which for you does take the form of an ideology. lol... PC elitism.. yeah right. I've been playing FPS games on consoles since the first Halo. I've played very few FPS games on PC. Which scheme would I prefer? Well, that depends. If I want to kick back with friends, drink some pop/beer/liquor, and just relax and play a game, I'm gonna use a gamepad. However, if I want to get real hardcore about a game, and really take it heavily, I would much rather use KBM. I've been a console player all my life, starting with the N64, Dreamcast, played SNES once in a while but that was really a little bit before me. KBM is simply the way I would go for an FPS game, same with a lot of other players. I would much rather see this option readily available to all, rather than winning simply because I bought an Eagle Eye (I was about to, then MAG really died off and Dust 514 was announcing KBM support).
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.30 03:00:00 - [6] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: I disagree, I'd rather have a small few players playing with the Eagle eye than for the game to end up with a small player base all using kb\m. So you would rather have a few people cheating and dominating the game, than a large amount of people using the tools provided to them? sounds pretty stupid to me.