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Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 00:19:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Actually, allowing it makes it much harder to have an unfair advantage. Right now, only people willing to shell out $50-$150 for a converter device are able to play with KMB, giving them a very large advantage over the average PS3 user. However, if you simply make KBM available to ALL players, without the need for a converter, then all those people that can't spend the extra money for a converter, can just go grab their mouse and keyboard from their computer, plug them in, and play. Suddenly the entire community has access to the same controls, without the need for extra hardware.
I personally don't understand how this is an "unfair advantage" when every player has the same opportunity to use it. That would be like setting up a fight, and giving each fighter a set of brass knuckles. Fighter A picks up the brass knuckles, and Fighter B says "I don't need those to win this fight". They fight, and Fighter A wins, in response Fighter B says "He cheated, he only beat me because he had brass knuckles". Do you see the flaw in this logic? because you are using the same argument.
Its an unfair advantage because your assuming everyone has a kb\m. They don't. Secondly your assuming that the peripheral is balenced brass knuckles=brass knuckles. kb\m >controller, so do you see the flaw in yours. so let's give a better analogy.
Person a comes to the west from a fundamentalist theocracy to get a job. person a is shocked by the behaviour and/or religion of persons b,c,d and e, and he wants to adopt fundamentalist law, because he can't cope with their beliefs, and because he believes his beliefs (ie, kb\m) are better and superior to what is currently used (controller). Except he came over here (PS3) from that theocracy (PC), so one would think that they would have to prescribe by our rules.
Now I know that's not a perfect analogy, and I'm sure you'll turn around and say, but you have the freedom to choose. The problem with that is that, as I've said Is kb\m is better than controller, and freedom is ok so long as you have equal freedoms to others, which, kb\m won't be, it is superior. Forcing PS3 gamers to use the said to use the said device if they want to be good. And PS3 gamers, dont want to use it, don't wish to use it, and honestly, won't use it. I'd rather play battlefield, I'd rather play mag with its low player count, he'll, I'd rather play cod, than play a game where a kb\m user can turn around, target my head from a distance of thirty meters and shoot, faster than I can say a chuck Norris joke, then boast about his 24 K\D ratio, as though he actually used skill.
The DS3 is as much a symbol of the PS3 as the playstation itself and I don't see why players who have used both devices for years should find themselves at an immediate disadvantage when playing a game using their Official controller, on their exclusive game, merely because a small, minority of PC gamers complain about how hard it is to use a Controller, and how inferior the PS3 is to a Computer. While in turn coming here to play a game made exclusively for PS3. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 00:21:00 -
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Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 00:52:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:Where's my text gone  what?
It dissappeared the first time, tis ok though, I typed it again!
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Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 01:39:00 -
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Wako 75 wrote:i dont really care who uses what i use controller because its what im used to if some1 wants to use a mouse and its alowed then they should be able to use it with out a bunch of people telling them they suck because they use it. and osiris your cool with me but what veigar was saying is that if you have the oprotunity to use something better and you dont use it dont complain about it when you get killed by it.
here 2 players same skills and everything both can use proto guns and suits
Player A choses proto suit and weapons player B choses milita
player a wins player b complainsbut it was player b's fault that he lost
that was what he was sayin
who wins decides not on gear it is on skill a noob is still a noob no mater his gear
if you have = skill then oh well i guess kb/m wins spawn back in (with a tank) and kill him kb/m wont really help him now will it.
now stop complaining
So one invests time into the game he gets rewarded, one invests time into PS3, he improves his controller skills. Why don't we allow new people who join dust six months after its release 10 million SP to catch up. My point is that kb\m rewards players who play PC an advantage. There used to using it, while players who use PS3s are at a disadvantage, so no, it isn't fair, and yes, kb\m is better, and you can't use in game, ie, virtual, mechanics to describe it as it exists in the real world. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:28:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:Its an unfair advantage because your assuming everyone has a kb\m. They don't. Secondly your assuming that the peripheral is balenced brass knuckles=brass knuckles. kb\m >controller, so do you see the flaw in yours. so let's give a better analogy. There is no flaw in my analogy, you simply didn't think it through. Brass knuckles(A) > bare fists(B), KBM(A) > gamepad(B). Each fighter has the ability use either the better brass knuckles, or the weaker bare fists. Same goes for Dust, you can use either the better KBM or the "weaker" gamepad. No player is restricted from using a particular option, so no player has an "unfair" advantage over the next. If one player decides not to use KBM and another does, then obviously the KBM player does have an advantage, but it is in no way shape or form unfair. It is however unfair if you restrict the option from players that aren't willing to shell out the extra cash for an Eagle Eye or XIM3. And I don't care how much you want to tell me "some people don't have KBM", that is absolute BS. Maybe 1/1000 people don't have it, but really, how many people do you know these days that don't have a computer? Also, I refer you to my previous post: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:The main flaw in this ideology - casual gamepad players wont get raped by hardcore KBM players, they wont ever see each other. "What? How can you make that declaration?" you say? Simple - casual gamepad players are going to be the guys that hop into HI-Sec, queue up a quick ambush game, worry about their KDR for 5-10 minutes, finish, and queue up again.
The casual guys aren't going to be grinding 3-5 hours a day in Null-Sec fighting Sov matches between massive corporations, they're going to log on, play a little, and log off. Maybe there will be a few KBM guys that stick to Hi-Sec, and like the quick moment to moment non-persistent matches, but they will probably be ranked significantly higher than the gamepad players and they wont get matched together terribly often.
Again, the hardcore KBM players will probably be doing Sov matches in Null-Sec, fighting with player corps and doing very NPC related activity. This isn't going to be a big deal outside the beta. Sure, people will ***** and moan while our current online players float around 500-800 throughout the course of the beta, but when player counts get up into the 10k's and 100k's, it really just wont matter.
Quit crying about this "gamebreaking" control scheme that you have yet to even see details for, or experience for yourself. Don't knock it before you try it.
-All is fair in love and war, and this my friends, is war.
There are numerous flaws in your analogy, including that assumption. As I went on to describe in the other five sixths of my post which you conveniently decided to discard, As for that post you just showed me, well, that's just your PC elitism, which for you does take the form of an ideology. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:52:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:There are numerous flaws in your analogy, including that assumption. As I went on to describe in the other five sixths of my post which you conveniently decided to discard, As for that post you just showed me, well, that's just your PC elitism, which for you does take the form of an ideology. lol... PC elitism.. yeah right. I've been playing FPS games on consoles since the first Halo. I've played very few FPS games on PC. Which scheme would I prefer? Well, that depends. If I want to kick back with friends, drink some pop/beer/liquor, and just relax and play a game, I'm gonna use a gamepad. However, if I want to get real hardcore about a game, and really take it heavily, I would much rather use KBM. I've been a console player all my life, starting with the N64, Dreamcast, played SNES once in a while but that was really a little bit before me. KBM is simply the way I would go for an FPS game, same with a lot of other players. I would much rather see this option readily available to all, rather than winning simply because I bought an Eagle Eye (I was about to, then MAG really died off and Dust 514 was announcing KBM support).
I disagree, I'd rather have a small few players playing with the Eagle eye than for the game to end up with a small player base all using kb\m. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:03:00 -
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thereal herbzula wrote:I still say people are afraid of Kb/M. Get off your crutch of controller and learn to play with the big dogs. People that put down Kb/m have never played a FPS on computer competitifly (how ever you spell that ****, google didnt know, lol)
I for one will freely admit that, yes I am afraid of kb\m, not because it's superior, but rather because it will kill the game. Have I ever played FPS on a computer competitively (that's how you spell it  ), no. I wouldn't say I play competitively on a PS3 either. When I play, I play to have fun, so I leave competitiveness at the door. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:03:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:I disagree, I'd rather have a small few players playing with the Eagle eye than for the game to end up with a small player base all using kb\m. So you would rather have a few people cheating and dominating the game, than a large amount of people using the tools provided to them? sounds pretty stupid to me.
Lol, it's basic economics. |
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