DUST Search - Mouse and Keyboard will break the game

Baal Roo wrote:

Adahn Shovak wrote:

With or without the inclusion of KB&M (Keyboard & Mouse), certain segments of the available market will face barriers to entry.

PC KB&M-diehard barrier to entry: Buying a PS3 console. ($300)
PS3 player barrier to entry: Buying a KB&M. ($20)

It's not the players who need to adapt or die... it's Dust. And it's adapting.

I really don't care what some horse & buggy anti-car luddites think because they don't want to shell out to adapt to the way FPS gaming evolved. I am amused to see them touting 'adapt or die' when they're the ones who should be acting on that mantra.

Learn how to use KB&M NOW, while you're in on the ground-floor. Because PC port WILL happen - maybe not in a year, maybe not in two, but it's inevitable. And when it does, you will rage so much harder that newbie scrubs are melting your well-geared faces. "But my technologically inferior brothers in arms will rage-quit about how it's harder for us now, and CCP will HAVE to listen!"
Yeah... sure. CCP always caters to players who quit their games because they're too hard.
...Heh.

Adapt to the playstyle of the future.

You've GOT to be kidding.


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Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 01:55:00 - [1] - Quote Meh. I've said before, but really the key board and mouse issue is always one of debate. What I do not want to hear is the snarks, and remakrs from "wannabe" PC enthusiast who think they are know-it-all bad arses. If you knew your history you'd not have a negative thing to say with respects to eiter home entertainment consoles, and personal computers. As for the whole keyboard and mouse versus the controller. Get off the bandwagon, learn your history and shut up. In relative terms they are only very few years apart. News flash though the paddle, and controller/joystick took off first in terms of popularity and support. Infact the mouse was not really seen as a viable option till the early eighties when several companies finally started to take notice. Especially German computer and technology companies that started to ship the first mouse with computer. Only a couple of years later would both Microsoft, and Apple support the mouse. Anyway while I'm sick of the ignorant bandwagoners I'm going to state my opinion simply as such; the keyboard and mouse can have it's place within Dust. However allowing the keyboard and mouse to be used in-game on the battlefield will only hinder and harm the game more so then it would to cater, or bow in compliance with a extremely small group of barking enthusiast. The best way to handle it would be to limit the keyboard and mouse functionality, or allow for seperation. This way you can stop most of the negative back lash that would ensue and swathe across the community. I'm in favor for the keyboard and mouse, but not in the way most would assume. I find it has it's place, and it's own strengths. What I fear is the game being harmed because, a small group of barking rioters wanted something so badly they acted with total ignorance for the sake of being what they felt (and I hate using this term) "entitled" to a feature simply because. Excuses can be layed to the argument on both sides for why it should or should not be implemented. This much both sides should be able to recognize. What needs to be stated is that simply because, it can be done; does mean it should be. What I believe in and what I believe will help this game thrive is a ongoing standardization that allows the peoples a sort of balance. This is not going to give us that if it is done incorrectly. My feeling is that CCP has a plan for the "keyboard & mouse" features, but not in the exact way that people, or more precisely the few barkers believe it will be implemented. We've only seen probably a third or fourth of the whole game in terms of what will be available. By which I mean in terms of gameplay. Granted at it's core this is a first person shooter, but it also much more. What lies for us down the road? I'm unsure of myself. What I know is that if CCP wants this to survive, and prosper -- they need to continue down the main reason why specialized home entertainment consoles exist in the first place. For a standardized stability that allows for equal balance. Screwing with it can have sever consequences, or long term affects that may financially hinder, or cripple. Anyway. Stop with the ignorance everyone. We'll just have to wait and see. That is all we can do at the moment. What we do need however is some answers, or atleast some documenatation on what to expect.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:49:00 - [2] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ****** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread I have to concur -- I've wondered too where people obtained such a thought in the first place in terms of porting Dust. It would directly conflict with SOE (Sony Online Entertainments) pet project and development lead Planetside2. Having a contract with CCP on terms of Dust and having it done on the PlayStation3 seperatly under CCP's own power is a much more coherent business choice. Also it allows for CCP to do something unheard of and not done ever across the entertainment industry. The crossing and meshing of two completly seperate games from two different populations and platforms. Granted while Valve has Counterstrike: Global Offensive which is also striving to support cross platforming the difference lies in that it is one game. Not two soley different titles that are vastly different, but play completly different and seperate from one another. That to me is monumental. As for Planetside2? Well it speaks for itself to be honest, but to have Dust conflict with it would only harm both CCP, and more directly Sony. Especially considering that Planetside2 is also hoping to try out and have a take on the free-to-play model. However, I doubt we'll know what rights CCP actually has or even what rights Sony has control over unless someone from one side made those documents public. Knowing how Sony operates I'm sure it is in their favor in terms of control more then full ownership. I could only speculate though.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 14:13:00 - [3] - Quote Sol Torash II wrote: I'd be more receptive to using the DS3 if we were able to reduce what feels like an huge 'deadzone' on the analog sticks (Aren't there options in other ps3 games to change this ?). In saying that, what happens if the 'move' peripheral suddenly becomes more accurate at aiming than using the DS3 controller wont there still be raging on the forums as per KB/Mouse ? Some home entertainment consoles actually do have these features, but the reality is that most games period from one end to the next, and even on PC do not usually support that option. However a prime example of a gme that does -- SOCOM: Confrontation -- is one of the few titles to allow the player to customize the deadzone to their liking or rid of it.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 17:01:00 - [4] - Quote ... Is it just me or does anyone else get a massive headache when they have to constantly put up with this binign crap? Seriously. As for people whom have to resort to third-party splicers, adapters or whatever if you are willing to spend the money that is on you, but it still only shows just how much of a real psychological problem you have. Compulsion is one thing, but to seriously go that far and above just for some sort of "advantage" whether or not it is or not aside is vindictive or a real problem. Too bad it is usually those same people spotting how superior they are to everyone else whether because, they are PC enthusiast (wannabe elitist, or the master race), or they just have a megolomaniac ego -- I find more often then not it's more less the issue of a much deeper problem. A need, or want to achieve something they otherwsie are incapable of outside of the virtual. This of course does not include all cases, but rather the majority. Just as in life you will have unforeseen exotics or variables -- "X" -- which could be also consider a mutation depending on your field of study. Anyway I am getting ahead of myself. Point is simple in that people that feel that sort of compulsion have an underlying problem. I'm not talking about the keyboard and mic situation, but rather the need to go such a distance in which it takes a hobby, or downtime to a level that is really unrequired, and unnecessary. Ugh. I really need something for this headache. Edit: Let me just make it clear that I play both home entertainment consoles, and on the computer as well. I enjoy keyboard & mouse, controller, paddle, game-pad, wheel, joystick, ect, ect.. You name it. What I do not tolerate is those trying to ruin "balance". If CCP does allow for keyboard and mouse I'll allow it too, but only if it is done correctly. As I stated in a previous posting -- "just because, it can be done; does not mean it should be done." -- which is clearly simple and too the point. Too the point though as long as it is allowed by the system and recognized as such and is not an illegal or illicit advantage I'm game. I just wanted to to clarify what I was getting at.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 17:42:00 - [5] - Quote Oryx Offerton wrote: If you guys want keyboard and mouse then go play EVE. Actually to the contrary Sony used to support the homebrew communit quite well. They've offered in the past two seperat purchasable limited consoles that came with both kayboard & mouse. The PlayStation2 console also included a linux OS. In the first couple of years the PlayStation3 also was very welcoming to homebrew. You know until Sony decided to go renegade and beocme a bastard (literally.) I a friend of mine used to have the PlayStaionX from the PlayStation One days. Beautiful black finish, and was a lot of fun if you knew what you were doing. Personally myself? Not so much, but I never had my own console to play with and homebrew. My friend had a lot of fun though. Ha-ha.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 17:46:00 - [6] - Quote Stabber McShank wrote: It isn't a matter of want.. THERE ARE ALREADY K+M PLAYERS IN DUST AND EVERY OTHER FPS GAME ON THE PS3. I am not sure why the above is too complicated for 95% of you to understand. You can't keep keyboard and mouse players out. And rest assured, if there is any way to gain an advantage using a mouse + keyboard you can expect 100% to have them used against you when you go up against serious null sec Eve Corps. In Eve anyone who fails to use EVERY single advantage they can under some sort of e-honor code will get crushed by the ones willing to do ANYTHING to win. If you think this is some Eve-player chest beating, you are wrong. It is just the plain truth of the mentality of the successful Eve players. No, it is still eg chest-thumping. No matter how you attempt to justify it, and actually the "majority" of players within EVE Online are not such people as the minority attempt to protray. They just happen to bark the loudest, and get protrayed easily by various gaming media sites because, they are so loud. People whom attempt to justify their actions are only trying to convince themselves. As I pointed out though it is a deeper underlying psychological problem. No matter if they choose to acknowledge it or not.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 18:22:00 - [7] - Quote Hm. Maybe. I'll admit I miss read that little part. I could see the very top which is less then a percent of the most sucessful of corporations in EVE Online falling under those pre-requisites. Unfortunetly as I said though like in real life; negativity stands out and sells. So you just usually hear more about them then the average joe playing who is not like that. Prime example is the amount of coverage of bad in-game press that EVE Online has receive through various gaming media sites about these extremely isolated individuals, or groups that have tried to break the game, or the games economy, and in some cases scammed a larger amount of people in schemes.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 21:38:00 - [8] - Quote I am officially facepalming most of you as of now. Some of you should just be ashamed. I know they say ignorance is bliss, but some of you need some help. The stupidity levels within this thread are reaching new highs.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 22:59:00 - [9] - Quote Ayures0 wrote: Do you guys all complain this much when games like HAWX allow flight stick & rudder controls? The stupidity stems from both sides, and both sides only seem to encourage one another. It's a vicious cycle of ignorant pisant, asanine foolishness. I'm honestly tired of it from both sides of these barkers.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 23:25:00 - [10] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Adahn Shovak wrote: With or without the inclusion of KB&M (Keyboard & Mouse), certain segments of the available market will face barriers to entry. PC KB&M-diehard barrier to entry: Buying a PS3 console. ($300) PS3 player barrier to entry: Buying a KB&M. ($20) It's not the players who need to adapt or die... it's Dust. And it's adapting. I really don't care what some horse & buggy anti-car luddites think because they don't want to shell out to adapt to the way FPS gaming evolved. I am amused to see them touting 'adapt or die' when they're the ones who should be acting on that mantra. Learn how to use KB&M NOW, while you're in on the ground-floor. Because PC port WILL happen - maybe not in a year, maybe not in two, but it's inevitable. And when it does, you will rage so much harder that newbie scrubs are melting your well-geared faces. "But my technologically inferior brothers in arms will rage-quit about how it's harder for us now, and CCP will HAVE to listen!" Yeah... sure. CCP always caters to players who quit their games because they're too hard. ...Heh. Adapt to the playstyle of the future. You've GOT to be kidding. You underestimate their stupidity.