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Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 01:55:00 - [31] - Quote Meh. I've said before, but really the key board and mouse issue is always one of debate. What I do not want to hear is the snarks, and remakrs from "wannabe" PC enthusiast who think they are know-it-all bad arses. If you knew your history you'd not have a negative thing to say with respects to eiter home entertainment consoles, and personal computers. As for the whole keyboard and mouse versus the controller. Get off the bandwagon, learn your history and shut up. In relative terms they are only very few years apart. News flash though the paddle, and controller/joystick took off first in terms of popularity and support. Infact the mouse was not really seen as a viable option till the early eighties when several companies finally started to take notice. Especially German computer and technology companies that started to ship the first mouse with computer. Only a couple of years later would both Microsoft, and Apple support the mouse. Anyway while I'm sick of the ignorant bandwagoners I'm going to state my opinion simply as such; the keyboard and mouse can have it's place within Dust. However allowing the keyboard and mouse to be used in-game on the battlefield will only hinder and harm the game more so then it would to cater, or bow in compliance with a extremely small group of barking enthusiast. The best way to handle it would be to limit the keyboard and mouse functionality, or allow for seperation. This way you can stop most of the negative back lash that would ensue and swathe across the community. I'm in favor for the keyboard and mouse, but not in the way most would assume. I find it has it's place, and it's own strengths. What I fear is the game being harmed because, a small group of barking rioters wanted something so badly they acted with total ignorance for the sake of being what they felt (and I hate using this term) "entitled" to a feature simply because. Excuses can be layed to the argument on both sides for why it should or should not be implemented. This much both sides should be able to recognize. What needs to be stated is that simply because, it can be done; does mean it should be. What I believe in and what I believe will help this game thrive is a ongoing standardization that allows the peoples a sort of balance. This is not going to give us that if it is done incorrectly. My feeling is that CCP has a plan for the "keyboard & mouse" features, but not in the exact way that people, or more precisely the few barkers believe it will be implemented. We've only seen probably a third or fourth of the whole game in terms of what will be available. By which I mean in terms of gameplay. Granted at it's core this is a first person shooter, but it also much more. What lies for us down the road? I'm unsure of myself. What I know is that if CCP wants this to survive, and prosper -- they need to continue down the main reason why specialized home entertainment consoles exist in the first place. For a standardized stability that allows for equal balance. Screwing with it can have sever consequences, or long term affects that may financially hinder, or cripple. Anyway. Stop with the ignorance everyone. We'll just have to wait and see. That is all we can do at the moment. What we do need however is some answers, or atleast some documenatation on what to expect.
Baron Rittmeister Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:00:00 - [32] - Quote I know to a lot of people these threads seem redundant, but I think it's important that ccp sees how unpopular this move is with the ps3 crowd that they're making this game for. I already know that there's pretty much no way that you can correctly balance the two inputs within the same game, it's just way too improbable. I'll withhold my final judgement until they actually implement this and I see how it works. Since they seem so intent on going ahead with this, I would rather they do it now and find it too hard to work around and remove it then plop it into the release game and it's just screwed and nobody plays it. I do want this game to be a success because I love the ambition and idea of ccp, but I see no place for controllers and mice to play on the same field. Also I can tell you right now that I don't think they would or could ever cross platform this game and if they did I wouldn't even try it, I would just move on. The great thing about consoles is you know everyone is on the same playing field with the same hardware. You add pc's in there and it becomes a battle of who has the best rig and best connection.
Ourors Doomheim 130	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:07:00 - [33] - Quote Quote: hurr durr adapt or die shut up, this is becoming a buzzword and you're using it wrong. also, being console exclusive doesn't really mean anything in terms of controls. what about the move controls? should they leave too? also, are you admitting that console controls are ******? most of the real console buffs are very wary of admitting that. surely if you're good with the controller, the keyboard and mouse is irrelevant?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:17:00 - [34] - Quote Sid Napier wrote: So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse? PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason. "Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority. Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play. HERE WE GO AGAIN
Arcushek Dion Doomheim 73	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:21:00 - [35] - Quote Ourors wrote: Quote: hurr durr adapt or die shut up, this is becoming a buzzword and you're using it wrong. also, being console exclusive doesn't really mean anything in terms of controls. what about the move controls? should they leave too? also, are you admitting that console controls are ****? most of the real console buffs are very wary of admitting that. surely if you're good with the controller, the keyboard and mouse is irrelevant? I would say that's true. I've only been using a ds3 for about 2 months now and I consistently post high scores in most matches. A good player should be able to do good with either. As a longtime fps player using gamepads is still ** though
Ourors Doomheim 130	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:33:00 - [36] - Quote Arcushek Dion wrote: I would say that's true. I've only been using a ds3 for about 2 months now and I consistently post high scores in most matches. A good player should be able to do good with either. As a longtime fps player using gamepads is still **** though true, both a quick to learn, really. i guess people just feel inferior for some reason
Kill3rAce Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:34:00 - [37] - Quote Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that **** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only
Benjamin Hellios Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:38:00 - [38] - Quote Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that **** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only There's already people using kbm through eagle eye and such. I'm not bothered with it.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:38:00 - [39] - Quote Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ****** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:44:00 - [40] - Quote Hey, Heres an idea. Lets see how KBM works before we cry about it being added. Also, just because this game is on a PS3 doesn't mean that it HAS to use a DS3. I bought my PS3 to play games, not hold a DS3.

Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:49:00 - [41] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ****** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread I have to concur -- I've wondered too where people obtained such a thought in the first place in terms of porting Dust. It would directly conflict with SOE (Sony Online Entertainments) pet project and development lead Planetside2. Having a contract with CCP on terms of Dust and having it done on the PlayStation3 seperatly under CCP's own power is a much more coherent business choice. Also it allows for CCP to do something unheard of and not done ever across the entertainment industry. The crossing and meshing of two completly seperate games from two different populations and platforms. Granted while Valve has Counterstrike: Global Offensive which is also striving to support cross platforming the difference lies in that it is one game. Not two soley different titles that are vastly different, but play completly different and seperate from one another. That to me is monumental. As for Planetside2? Well it speaks for itself to be honest, but to have Dust conflict with it would only harm both CCP, and more directly Sony. Especially considering that Planetside2 is also hoping to try out and have a take on the free-to-play model. However, I doubt we'll know what rights CCP actually has or even what rights Sony has control over unless someone from one side made those documents public. Knowing how Sony operates I'm sure it is in their favor in terms of control more then full ownership. I could only speculate though.
Kill3rAce Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:50:00 - [42] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only There's already people using kbm through eagle eye and such. I'm not bothered with it. If thats true then I've been doing just fine in the game. It just as a guy who has played CS since 1.6 that is a game with no aim-assist and all about a persons skill all about the KB/M setup. I just hated that game on consoles CS on PS3/XBOX was not designed to be played with a DS3. Just like Dust isn't gonna run at a amazing 60+ frames a second using a KB/M just wont' have the epic feel it does when playing on your own badass powered PC. I feel we should just accept using the DS3/Move on the PS3 the system its made for. I also play EVE but I am not gonna *** my face off about not being able to use a controller and say I'll never learn thats just stupid and pathetic. Any true gamer can play on all platforms. I am not gonna chicken out on playing a FPS or a sports gmae like NBA2k or Madden on a xbox jsut cause its a different controller or even on PC...i learn to play with a KB/M. Come on people if your gamer you will adjust and if they add it I will have to adjust but I'm not gonna add a special tall gaming table at my living room couch just to get a better competitve edge against the competition just so my KB/M would feel right
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:52:00 - [43] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ****** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:56:00 - [44] - Quote KB+M again. Have my usual answer. If turning speeds are hard-capped, shouldn't be a problem. But KB+M players might have to get used to a bit of a change from their usual freedom of instant-180-Ü turns.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:10:00 - [45] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ****** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs. Uh... I only intend to play this with DS3, so...
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:12:00 - [46] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just **** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs. Uh... I only intend to play this with DS3, so... That was directed more at the masses of KB/M players that can't aim with the DS3 and cry about **** controls.
Arcushek Dion Doomheim 73	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:18:00 - [47] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ****** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs. LOL I've outscored you in games and I've only been using ds3 for two months.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:27:00 - [48] - Quote Arcushek Dion wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just ****** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs. LOL I've outscored you in games and I've only been using ds3 for two months. Ive only been playing this build for about a week in a half. Of course you are going to outkill me. I don't even even remember your name. Thats how much of an impression you made. You remember my name so I think its safe to say I was the one killing you. Lets do a 1vs1 on one of the empty servers. Add me Crimson_moon_V. Unless you are scared.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:32:00 - [49] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kill3rAce wrote: Do not add a KB/M it will ruin the game forever. If it ever ported to PC that would make sense but as of now its PS3 Exclusive for the forseeable future. Leave a console game as a console game. No one on PS3 plays any FPS online with a KB/M they don't allow that ** for reason. UC3, KZ, COD and even BF theres a reason they are controller only I really don't see why so many people assume this is going to be ported to PC just because it has KB/M support. That would make absolutely no sense, as in addition to them then being in competition with Planetside 2, it would mean that Sony would be supporting a game that directly conflicts with their own. That's just **** from a business standpoint. Also, why is anyone still whining about this like its going to change? The support is confirmed, its not getting taken out, they're going to work their asses off on balancing it with DS3 and Move. /thread You might not be getting it for months or maybe even years. Until then I will be lmfao at how bad most of you are with a DS3. See you on the battlefield scrubs. Uh... I only intend to play this with DS3, so... That was directed more at the masses of KB/M players that can't aim with the DS3 and cry about **** controls. Ah. Well, I actually got into this intending to be a pilot, so DS3 is the only choice for me. Its not that I can't aim with a gun, its that I know my limits, and I'm not going to get much better than average as far as gun-game goes. Best to stick with what I'm good at.
Graz Vaddu 20	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:48:00 - [50] - Quote I'll probably use a mouse and keyboard, why the hell not? Will I suddenly have leet skills? I wish... -ZionTCD

Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:54:00 - [51] - Quote This topic will never die. . I for one am interested how it will balance things out. I play with the controller. Not good with it, but am a bit better. I don't use the controller well with fps due to meds. Alters my reaction time and I have shakes, which alters my aim. I like the idea of being able to use a KB/m. Might be able to be a little more even with some of those that have excellent skill with the controller. I agree with some of the other posters on this topic,. Lets wait and see how it works before screaming don't add it. You just might be surprised. Even with a mouse, not as precise as I should be. Only with a sniper rifle maybe. This game was meant to bring in the ps3 fps player. But you have to admit, it did stem from a PC based game, so there be things that will help them feel comfortable as well. I'm sure it will be tested thoroughly before launch, just so that these types of things don't come up after. Let's give CCP a chance to implement it and gather data on it. After all, that's why we are here, to see how things balance out.
Average Joe81 57	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:55:00 - [52] - Quote Sid Napier wrote: So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse? PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason. "Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority. Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play. +1
Zeran Haggai Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:55:00 - [53] - Quote As a life long console gamer, i fail to see how this is any different than having Arcade sticks for fighters or wheel's for racers.
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 45	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:55:00 - [54] - Quote Why is there crying going on about if a keyboard and mouse can outclass a controller. If you want to use a controller, use a controller. If you want to use a keyboard and mouse, its your prerogative. I use a controller, and I won't complain about someone else using a KB/mouse, cause quite frankly I don't care.....
Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:56:00 - [55] - Quote And by the way, I doubt I will use the KB/m full time. Piloting will be easier with the controller I feel. There will be pros and cons for whatever aspect of the game you might play.
McFurious BetaMax. 67	Posted - 2012.07.28 04:07:00 - [56] - Quote I will be buying a Keyboard and Mouse for my PS3 just for this game. Can't wait.
Baron Rittmeister Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.07.28 12:35:00 - [57] - Quote Kitt, when you play dust you're no longer an eve player, you're a dust merc. EVE may have provided ccp with the capital to start the dust project, but that in no way means that the eve players base owns dust, you're sadly mistaken. I know there are a lot of big egos in eve that think they will control us or we'll be forced out, but they too will have a rude awakening. The eve corporations that can get over themselves and work with dust will succees and the ones that can't will wither and die. If no dust corp will take your contract cuz you hate on them and are a douche about everything then you can sit back and cry when the cooperative eve corp sends mercs to take over all your planets. How's that for eve controlling OUR game. Back to kb/m debate, I am one of those that's willing to wait and see, but i'm very skeptical that there can be balance.
Renzo Kuken Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 369	Posted - 2012.07.28 12:38:00 - [58] - Quote Sid Napier wrote: So, it has been tested beforehand many times and it has been proven Mouse & Keyboard will always be superior to the gamepad in terms of accuracy. So, the game was made PS3 only because CCP stated they didn't want to split the EvE fanbase. So if the game is PS3 only which = Gamepad, then why are they giving the ability to use Keyboard & Mouse? PC Gamers, the game is not intended for you, the game is intended as an exclusive for the PS3 and for a reason. "Adapt or die" goes both ways, learn to use the gamepad, YOU are the minority. Keyboard and mouse will break the game... don't add it CCP, you will ruin my chance at competitive play. Adapt or Die goes both ways you know that right? and it wont break the game we are in closed beta and CCP will balance it they are super smart after all
Sol Torash II 0	Posted - 2012.07.28 13:58:00 - [59] - Quote I'd be more receptive to using the DS3 if we were able to reduce what feels like an huge 'deadzone' on the analog sticks (Aren't there options in other ps3 games to change this ?). In saying that, what happens if the 'move' peripheral suddenly becomes more accurate at aiming than using the DS3 controller wont there still be raging on the forums as per KB/Mouse ?
Mister Hunt 1	Posted - 2012.07.28 14:08:00 - [60] - Quote Sid Napier wrote: Ayures0 wrote: Just buy a ***** keyboard and a mouse. The rest of us don't want to be handicapped by **** controls. This IS a PS3 exclusive, you do realise this right? PS3 HAS a mouse and keyboard, you do realise this right?



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