At least they are very closely so.

Especially now that a lot of infantry have put their 1 million SP in SL or FG skills. My early assessments that Tanks are in fact under powered, or have too little tank are by and large vindicated.

Rumours are that the Marauders are getting a price hike to 1.2M ISK, and I have not found any official post corroborating this claim.

If that happens, the Tanks must get a tremendous health buff. No one is going to waste a marauder on a round netting on average 100-200K ISK unless they are very sure it'll be able to survive. At 1.4M to 1.5M ISK total (including fitting), such a tank should have an average life expectancy of 7-8 rounds, barring accidents or screw ups.

This is made worse by the vehicle call feature. At present you have no assurance that you'll get your vehicle delivered, if the delivery is denied for any reason it is still removed from your inventory. It really sucks already when you call a Marauder, and are told the vehicle quota is reached. And then you stand there for a while, doing nothing, and trying again, and risk another rejection.

Having a high tier tank, means I haven't spent a lot of SP in infantry gear, meaning that once I'm on the field in the cheap suit, I'm useless without my tank.

That vehicle call bug must be addressed asap. I know it is a bug, but CCP won't get their vehicle mechanics tested, if tank drivers go broke over lost expensive vehicles, I think that about 20-30% of my tank losses are to this one bug.

The tanks are what they are. Neither under or overpowered.
I find all these threads rather amusing. One week everyone's yelling something's too strong and should be nerfed. The next week once everyone learns to counter that threat the other side starts yelling it's underpowered.

Well tanks are just fine. Drivers just need to learn how to counter the new tactics being thrown at them.

I've been reading a lot about these neft cries. It is my understanding that such community outcries (and devs listening to them without waiting for them to calm down) are the reasons games such as MAG and Planetside got ruined.

So calm down tank drivers. Calm down and learn how to counter the new AV tactics.

Of course it's balanced. It's balanced very well when you take into consideration how the game will be when it's complete.

If noone took the time to point out the imballabnces during a beta, they would not be fixed for the release.

And it is not balanced. Handheld weapons do MORE damage fer shot than tank mounted weapons?
A top fitted tank only have about 6-7 times the health of a top fitted suit, if that.

In which reality does that make sense?

In New Eden.

Keep in mind that what infantry rifles fire are not lead bullets. They are probably not metalic at all. What they fire are boiling plasma balls that explode on impact.

At least they are very closely so.

Especially now that a lot of infantry have put their 1 million SP in SL or FG skills. My early assessments that Tanks are in fact under powered, or have too little tank are by and large vindicated.

Rumours are that the Marauders are getting a price hike to 1.2M ISK, and I have not found any official post corroborating this claim.

If that happens, the Tanks must get a tremendous health buff. No one is going to waste a marauder on a round netting on average 100-200K ISK unless they are very sure it'll be able to survive. At 1.4M to 1.5M ISK total (including fitting), such a tank should have an average life expectancy of 7-8 rounds, barring accidents or screw ups.

This is made worse by the vehicle call feature. At present you have no assurance that you'll get your vehicle delivered, if the delivery is denied for any reason it is still removed from your inventory. It really sucks already when you call a Marauder, and are told the vehicle quota is reached. And then you stand there for a while, doing nothing, and trying again, and risk another rejection.

Having a high tier tank, means I haven't spent a lot of SP in infantry gear, meaning that once I'm on the field in the cheap suit, I'm useless without my tank.

That vehicle call bug must be addressed asap. I know it is a bug, but CCP won't get their vehicle mechanics tested, if tank drivers go broke over lost expensive vehicles, I think that about 20-30% of my tank losses are to this one bug.

Gtfo. Tanks are not underpowered you silly fool.

I have a gunlogi atm. and with the best damage reduction modules and a suit case it can take a lot of punishement before dropping.
How ever I still get one shotted by marauders because the gunlogi cannot have both buffer and resists but against basic infantry, drop ships and militia stuff it has no issues.
Though you would think that some +3k of total hp with 50% reduction would keep you from being one shotted.

I have a gunlogi atm. and with the best damage reduction modules and a suit case it can take a lot of punishement before dropping.
How ever I still get one shotted by marauders because the gunlogi cannot have both buffer and resists but against basic infantry, drop ships and militia stuff it has no issues.
Though you would think that some +3k of total hp with 50% reduction would keep you from being one shotted.

I've always said that the tanks were underpowered, and only appeared OVER powered because the teamplay weren't there yet. It still aren't.
But individually people are beginning to field a lot of AV weaponry to deal with tanks, which is fine, but that also means they die awfully fast.

A tank is a tank, and I don't ever think I claimed that they should be invincible, but tank drivers spend a LOT of SP specializing in driving tanks, and just as you probably have your preferred fit/role, I have mine.
Your fit easily breaks even unless you really screw up, and you probably have cheaper fits to choose from should the need arise. Tanks are a little more expensive, and if I top fitted mine, I'll not even make it's worth in one round, perhaps not even two as it is.
Meaning I'm compromising. But I am still limited to the choice between expensive, and very expensive.

I never said a tank should be invincible, but any fit, or vehicle should at least have a chance of breaking even in good hands. I'm seeing Sagarises and Suryas dying in droves now, under a barrage of Swarm launchers and Forge guns. That is not balanced.

I don't know how that's possible...the most powerful railgun with the marauder bonus should be doing 2025 damage, unless they've made vehicle damage mods effective now. Now, if you get hit with a couple of direct missile rounds and a railgun round at once, you are in serious trouble. Maybe that's what's happening?

If you're in a marauder and it's well fit and you're still having problems against swarm launchers then it's probably because the whole enemy team is focused on taking out your tanks. Just because swarm launchers are effective in large amounts doesn't mean tanks need buffing, it means you shouldn't call in another tank right away and play on foot for awhile. My gunnlogi is not underpowered, so your surya/sagaris sure as hell shouldn't be..

Well, either the tanks are underpowered or the prototype swarm launchers are overpowered. They apparently come out of nowhere (they can be fired through a rather narrow peek-hold apparently), track you forever and dodge obstacles when you try and run. They also seem to two-shot my surya.

Well, either the tanks are underpowered or the prototype swarm launchers are overpowered. They apparently come out of nowhere (they can be fired through a rather narrow peek-hold apparently), track you forever and dodge obstacles when you try and run. They also seem to two-shot my surya.

I've always said that the tanks were underpowered, and only appeared OVER powered because the teamplay weren't there yet. It still aren't.
But individually people are beginning to field a lot of AV weaponry to deal with tanks, which is fine, but that also means they die awfully fast.

A tank is a tank, and I don't ever think I claimed that they should be invincible, but tank drivers spend a LOT of SP specializing in driving tanks, and just as you probably have your preferred fit/role, I have mine.
Your fit easily breaks even unless you really screw up, and you probably have cheaper fits to choose from should the need arise. Tanks are a little more expensive, and if I top fitted mine, I'll not even make it's worth in one round, perhaps not even two as it is.
Meaning I'm compromising. But I am still limited to the choice between expensive, and very expensive.

I never said a tank should be invincible, but any fit, or vehicle should at least have a chance of breaking even in good hands. I'm seeing Sagarises and Suryas dying in droves now, under a barrage of Swarm launchers and Forge guns. That is not balanced.

Well, either the tanks are underpowered or the prototype swarm launchers are overpowered. They apparently come out of nowhere (they can be fired through a rather narrow peek-hold apparently), track you forever and dodge obstacles when you try and run. They also seem to two-shot my surya.

There are two issues with HAV vs AV fights right now.

1) Swarm launchers are stupid good at following ground targets, including around corners and chasing you for several kilometers. They are inconsistent, but they when they work they are stupid good.
2) Draw distance stupidity means people on roofs and REs are invisible 99% of the time. Again this is inconsistent,, but also not that things that fire from beyond draw distance give no hit indicator (missiles travel, but forge guns... not knowing which direction that gun is coming from is a recipe for disaster.)

The health is a touch low for the SP investment comparisons vs the counters, but it's certainly not glaring.

I agree with Noc and with the price hike I'd like to see a little hp increase or just fix the skill book bugs where they don't affect vehicles(ie shield management and mechanics to name 2)

Those skills DO work. Hop in and out of a vehicle with 10% damage or less. Your shields will jump to 70% and your armor will jump to 100%. This is because bonus shield HP is lost first and bonus armor HP is lost last. I am pretty sure you can kill yourself by exiting a vehicle too close to death this way (since it's armor goes to 0 with shields down).

Yup, noticed my survivability skyrocket when I maxed Shield Management. Now my EHP are over 17K from my shields alone not even counting armor which is absolute bliss. Granted, my shield booster seems anemic now...

I must be the only person who thinks that gun mechanics should be more important than vehicle mechanics in an FPS. I play FPS games to first person shoot but I guess others play to use vehicles. Every player plays the way they want to play and thats the way it should be. The fact is that tank drivers mock people when they say that tanks are overpowered and then they complain that their tanks are underpowered when half the game community specs out for AV. If you want to sit in a tank and get EASY kills against infantry than thats cool but don't complain when an AV guy destroys your vehicle. A Prototype AV user with damage mods still takes several shots with either the forge gun or SL to destroy a very good marauder, while a tank can 1 hit (with a well placed shot) that same AV guy (maybe 2 hits for a maxed out proto-heavy) not to mention the tank driver has a turret and 2 gunners. Also don't complain about the gunners, 90% of the games I play in people are using comms and the GOOD tank drivers ask who would like to be a gunner and then they meet to make sure that the tank driver gets gunners that are communicating. If you get in a game when no one is talking then to bad every has to deal with that occasionally.

The fact is that tank drivers mock people when they say that tanks are overpowered and then they complain that their tanks are underpowered when half the game community specs out for AV.

My main issue is the AV weapons are so inconsistent in performance. Same fits in 1 v 1 with neither side moving, sometimes the railgun does no damage with a direct hit, sometimes it does full damage with splash. Conversely, the swarm will sometimes bug off into the abyss, and the next second a double fire swarm glitch that will track you across the map around corners. It's the same problems of polish and consistency on the vehicle scale, nothing more, nothing less.

Mostly directed at carlos - this is a combined arms game, all the way up to spaceships the size of cities demolishing a battlefield. Everything needs to work in concert and that doesn't mean anyone forgot that the small arms still need love too.

The SL doesn't travel around corners

I've seen them bend around corners if fired from a properly far enough distance, and even seen them track other tanks from when I've had a very good angle to see it.

They are very strange devices at long range.