If you're in a marauder and it's well fit and you're still having problems against swarm launchers then it's probably because the whole enemy team is focused on taking out your tanks. Just because swarm launchers are effective in large amounts doesn't mean tanks need buffing, it means you shouldn't call in another tank right away and play on foot for awhile. My gunnlogi is not underpowered, so your surya/sagaris sure as hell shouldn't be..

Well, either the tanks are underpowered or the prototype swarm launchers are overpowered. They apparently come out of nowhere (they can be fired through a rather narrow peek-hold apparently), track you forever and dodge obstacles when you try and run. They also seem to two-shot my surya.

Well, either the tanks are underpowered or the prototype swarm launchers are overpowered. They apparently come out of nowhere (they can be fired through a rather narrow peek-hold apparently), track you forever and dodge obstacles when you try and run. They also seem to two-shot my surya.

I've always said that the tanks were underpowered, and only appeared OVER powered because the teamplay weren't there yet. It still aren't.
But individually people are beginning to field a lot of AV weaponry to deal with tanks, which is fine, but that also means they die awfully fast.

A tank is a tank, and I don't ever think I claimed that they should be invincible, but tank drivers spend a LOT of SP specializing in driving tanks, and just as you probably have your preferred fit/role, I have mine.
Your fit easily breaks even unless you really screw up, and you probably have cheaper fits to choose from should the need arise. Tanks are a little more expensive, and if I top fitted mine, I'll not even make it's worth in one round, perhaps not even two as it is.
Meaning I'm compromising. But I am still limited to the choice between expensive, and very expensive.

I never said a tank should be invincible, but any fit, or vehicle should at least have a chance of breaking even in good hands. I'm seeing Sagarises and Suryas dying in droves now, under a barrage of Swarm launchers and Forge guns. That is not balanced.

Well, either the tanks are underpowered or the prototype swarm launchers are overpowered. They apparently come out of nowhere (they can be fired through a rather narrow peek-hold apparently), track you forever and dodge obstacles when you try and run. They also seem to two-shot my surya.

There are two issues with HAV vs AV fights right now.

1) Swarm launchers are stupid good at following ground targets, including around corners and chasing you for several kilometers. They are inconsistent, but they when they work they are stupid good.
2) Draw distance stupidity means people on roofs and REs are invisible 99% of the time. Again this is inconsistent,, but also not that things that fire from beyond draw distance give no hit indicator (missiles travel, but forge guns... not knowing which direction that gun is coming from is a recipe for disaster.)

The health is a touch low for the SP investment comparisons vs the counters, but it's certainly not glaring.

I agree with Noc and with the price hike I'd like to see a little hp increase or just fix the skill book bugs where they don't affect vehicles(ie shield management and mechanics to name 2)

Those skills DO work. Hop in and out of a vehicle with 10% damage or less. Your shields will jump to 70% and your armor will jump to 100%. This is because bonus shield HP is lost first and bonus armor HP is lost last. I am pretty sure you can kill yourself by exiting a vehicle too close to death this way (since it's armor goes to 0 with shields down).

Yup, noticed my survivability skyrocket when I maxed Shield Management. Now my EHP are over 17K from my shields alone not even counting armor which is absolute bliss. Granted, my shield booster seems anemic now...

I must be the only person who thinks that gun mechanics should be more important than vehicle mechanics in an FPS. I play FPS games to first person shoot but I guess others play to use vehicles. Every player plays the way they want to play and thats the way it should be. The fact is that tank drivers mock people when they say that tanks are overpowered and then they complain that their tanks are underpowered when half the game community specs out for AV. If you want to sit in a tank and get EASY kills against infantry than thats cool but don't complain when an AV guy destroys your vehicle. A Prototype AV user with damage mods still takes several shots with either the forge gun or SL to destroy a very good marauder, while a tank can 1 hit (with a well placed shot) that same AV guy (maybe 2 hits for a maxed out proto-heavy) not to mention the tank driver has a turret and 2 gunners. Also don't complain about the gunners, 90% of the games I play in people are using comms and the GOOD tank drivers ask who would like to be a gunner and then they meet to make sure that the tank driver gets gunners that are communicating. If you get in a game when no one is talking then to bad every has to deal with that occasionally.

The fact is that tank drivers mock people when they say that tanks are overpowered and then they complain that their tanks are underpowered when half the game community specs out for AV.

My main issue is the AV weapons are so inconsistent in performance. Same fits in 1 v 1 with neither side moving, sometimes the railgun does no damage with a direct hit, sometimes it does full damage with splash. Conversely, the swarm will sometimes bug off into the abyss, and the next second a double fire swarm glitch that will track you across the map around corners. It's the same problems of polish and consistency on the vehicle scale, nothing more, nothing less.

Mostly directed at carlos - this is a combined arms game, all the way up to spaceships the size of cities demolishing a battlefield. Everything needs to work in concert and that doesn't mean anyone forgot that the small arms still need love too.

The SL doesn't travel around corners

I've seen them bend around corners if fired from a properly far enough distance, and even seen them track other tanks from when I've had a very good angle to see it.

They are very strange devices at long range.