Three times in one match, including at main base. Anyone else just a little burnt out with this game "feature"..?

August...

I had my whole team on mics in hysterics in a game earlier today where someone showed up to do this to us.

I spawned in, locked on with Swarms, turned and fired, sprinting at an angle from the Dropship's approach and JUST getting out of its path as it crashed into where I had spawned. Then my missiles hit and it exploded.

The only reason it's a real problem is the fixed spawn locations, which are supposedly fixed for the new build that's coming. And as mentioned, that will be August.

Nah dude. It's a problem because you can kill top tier gear sets with absolutely no risk to you what-so-ever. Sure, you can kill them, but the fact that they're not losing any ISK over it is absolute non-sense.

I mean that it's not going to be a problem when you're not spawning in the same exact spot every time. They won't be able to just park on that spot and get free kills, they'll have to work for it (giving you time to line up your Forge/Swarm/Proto AR shots and take them down.

If you fly like this in a flight sim, heli game or even for real, you'd be dead in 2 seconds.
I guess these 3 thousand years in the future dropships are made from some kind of wonder rubber found on planet X.
Yeah right. lol.
Fix no,,,,,, oh I lost count sorry.

Three times in one match, including at main base. Anyone else just a little burnt out with this game "feature"..?

And high-tier Snipers are just boned, right?

Three times in one match, including at main base. Anyone else just a little burnt out with this game "feature"..?

Forge guns puts a quick end to any attempts to fly in the air I've noticed.

I was in that game with you, the guy got me around 6 times. He never left his dropship for the whole game, just flew around crushing people.
I feel your pain bro

Three times in one match, including at main base. Anyone else just a little burnt out with this game "feature"..?

Three times in one match, including at main base. Anyone else just a little burnt out with this game "feature"..?

Three times in one match, including at main base. Anyone else just a little burnt out with this game "feature"..?

All this QQing all over AGAIN...

They are FREE vehicles and they are PAPER THIN! Get an AV load out and "quit ur b!tchin'"!

Indeed. Dropships are doable -- two FGs and it's done. But seeing three high power tanks at the beginning of the match means that we're boned. We can not be protected, we can not outrun them, and we can not touch them without heavy advanced/proto gear. They mow us and if you respawn elsewhere -- before you get to it it's regenerated. If you respawn near -- you're dead 3 seconds after appearing. I get that it's all in the game, I never rage quit, I try to overcome (level one heavy, level one AFG, puts militias to sleep easy), I even refit into assault/recon to meddle behind enemy lines (learned to love the red zone for travel), but this is all four naught, because we're simply getting trampled. And after few hours of repeats **** gets old.

And yeah, we could bring our own tanks. I would love to see a good 3x3. But there should be other ways to hit them, save for maxed out heavy in a taxi. Or at least to immobilize them for a bit, so they could not just run straight out of your range and come back with full armor.

And then I see my entire team pissing at objectives and camping top of the tower. Even guys with militia assault rifles. Nanohives set, it's a party... because that was the only spawn point available that will not get you disintegrated right after you get in the game. And then somebody kamikazes those morons with militia dropship. Which is OK, because we've let the MCC through anyway.

The complaints are perfectly valid. It's incredibly easy to crush people, and you risk nothing doing it because you are using all militia stuff.

Not broken except that the drop ship doesn't take damage from the impact with the ground.

You heard of drop uplinks before right?

I can't fee sorry for anyone who only thinks AR is the acceptable way to kill others.

They are FREE vehicles and they are PAPER THIN! Get an AV load out and "quit ur b!tchin'"!

The complaints are perfectly valid. It's incredibly easy to crush people, and you risk nothing doing it because you are using all militia stuff. Should such a configuration be able to kill well-armed infantry of any type simply by using the movement keys a bit? Not if the developers want risk vs. reward to be a principle by which the gameplay is guided.

But complaining about getting run over or squished by vehicles is like complaining about getting knifed or shot by a scout when you're a heavy. It's just part of the game.

To add onto my last post - let me make this abundantly clear:

This thread isn't about whether or not my team was putting down drop-uplinks. It's about a silly game mechanic that is very obviously broken in the risk/reward ratio of play and it's very badly abused thus far.

Frankly, I think they need to lower the response on the drop-ship controls. LAV's are like ice-skating and it's nearly impossible to use remote repair modules with them (I feel sorry for anyone who's willing to put time into Logistics for that matter) because you have to face the vehicle directly at the target. You can try to keep the camera on them but the moment you take it off? You lose lock.

HAV's are slow, cumbersome, and act solely on momentum. The more momentum you have, the easier it is to turn.

Dropships? Hold down R1 and flutter the analog stick until you see some poor bastards name in the top right corner of the screen. Change the maneuverability and you might actually have Dropships the way that I honestly feel they were intended: A mobile, aerial support platform - not a wrecking ball that can turn on a dime.

Ok not real sure where to start...

First re-read my post cause nowhere in it does it say to SPECIALIZE in AV, it actaully says that an SL can load into ANY dropsuit. Yes FG does require a little more specialization but I think we all agree FG should remain for heavies.

As for getting free vehicles, I think we all agree that this should and probably get fixed. Also an open map and it being the only map, the spawning and no grouping. I swear I've said this a hundred times. Plus I think the main spawn should always be behind a structure to avoid the rampant spawn killing.

Now as far as collision damage I think we all agree it needs fixing BUT that doesn't mean a dropship won't squish you if lowered gently on your unsuspecting head! No one has a problem with a LAV running you over but a dropship on your nugget you should some how be immune?

Like I stated earlier see how the battlefield is unfolding and adapt accordingly, doesn't take much SP to get one AV load out.

About the hi risk and cost, I think there is a saying going around that if you can't afford it, don't run it.

I can see your point on changing handling (tho dont think it's that necessary ) and I said that collision needs to be fixed, so one can't fly down full blast and not ruin his ship.

As for your teammates not bringing them down, here is a thought "if you want something done right, do it yourself!"

Do you run a AV load out or is this all presumption on your end? I know the SL needs A LOT of work but they are still mighty capable of taking out multiple vehicles.

Love that you think I'm a ****, shows your maturity on having a lively debate. Take a breath step away from the keyboard and calm down, not trying to make enemies just a thorough discussion before we get all NERF crazy.

Lets find where we agree to fix the vehicles and start from there:
- they need to cost isk
- collision needs fixing
- worse steering ( i dont care either way)
- grouping would make it so people would man the turrets and the pilot wouldnt feel the need to smash people

Now what SPECIFICALLY do you want changed?

So all you want from the drop ships is less maneuverability, just the turn speed, not the top flight speed?

If you tweak steering, what can a dropship do to maneuver away from SLs? Do the ships get flares to get rid of said missiles?

Tweaking the steering can have adverse effects, and could make the ship a sitting duck in the air.

Is there anything else that comes to mind that needs tweaking?

The only assumptions I've made are the ones that are repeated throughout these forums, your saying that: FG's should be used in any load out? We should continue getting free vehicles? Collision doesn't need fixing on dropships? Dont see where I said "I think we all agree" in previous thread? Regardless I thought they were pretty safe assumptions. If you disagree with any of these please state why.

Off to bed but will check in on this thread on the morrow; good debate.

As I mentioned earlier (and my post wasn't addressed), one of the main reasons this is an issue at spawn points is the fact that we're stuck with fixed spawns thanks to a glitch that will be fixed in the upcoming build. When you're not spawning in the exact same spot every time, and the Dropship can't just bounce up and down on everyone as they appear, this won't be NEARLY as problematic.

I just think they need to be louder. I like to set up AV shop on top of the middle platform, and It is really obnoxious when I finally get up there only to be instacrushed by a dropship that was silently following me.

It's another story when I hear or see them coming. I'll scout scoot myself out of the way (unless they're already descending for the crush, running directly underneath them works well) and point blank, dumbfire a swarm launcher at their side. I don't always survive the explosion (and sometimes get crushed by the wreckage) but it's awful hard for the pilot to bail when he's two feet off the ground.

Dead pilot.

I just think they need to be louder. I like to set up AV shop on top of the middle platform, and It is really obnoxious when I finally get up there only to be instacrushed by a dropship that was silently following me.

It's another story when I hear or see them coming. I'll scout scoot myself out of the way (unless they're already descending for the crush, running directly underneath them works well) and point blank, dumbfire a swarm launcher at their side. I don't always survive the explosion (and sometimes get crushed by the wreckage) but it's awful hard for the pilot to bail when he's two feet off the ground.

Dead pilot.

meh i am full specced pilot all my points into that and i can't even fit a meta 2 gun or a meta 3 suit of any kind.
so with all these free ships/tanks no one wants to use the fully fitted promethus, grimness, myron, eryx (however you spell them) yes i am specced into shield and armor side of both dropships and tanks. if i bring out a dropship look nothing but 100k (probly more but isk isn't real hard to get) isk flying around with no gunners. i roll out a tank though whole different story the guns stay full. so i get bored wait till i see swarm or forge guns flying my way since these ppl tend to stand in one place usually near a nano hive or supply depo. then the hunt begins oh the fun of circling around coming in low behind there known posistion and ew i think my oversized flying shoe has a mushy spot on the bottom of it. (notice they do look like shoes!) if i miss oh well press circle while my promethus drifts off and there still aiming at it, and put a basic shotgun on the back of there head and ew! if nothing that exciting going on the fly above draw distance checking the tops of towers crushing snipers or knocking off dropships since the gorgons usualy exploid after a full speed ram while i limp off at 1/2 armor.

fun fun

Dropships are fine.
Squishing is fine.

It takes relatively few gun shots from a turret, tank, other dropship, LAV, forge gun or SL to kill a dropship.

Militia dropships are not fine.