So let me get this straight, everything in the game is a noob weapon? Then why aren't you playing better if everything has such an advantage and requires absolutely no skill?

Oh no, look out! We'll all be sucked into the paradox that's forming! NOOOOOOoooooo...

As someone who uses the Mass Driver a lot, it needs to have more ammo, and it does decent damage to vehicles. Fully upgraded, I can take down Militia Tanks with 7 shots. Also, Remote Explosives are detonated remotely, its just that they can be detonated in a split second after being set down that screws it up.

So let me get this straight, everything in the game is a noob weapon? Then why aren't you playing better if everything has such an advantage and requires absolutely no skill?

Oh no, look out! We'll all be sucked into the paradox that's forming! NOOOOOOoooooo...

[Fixes]
Swarm Launchers - I honestly feel these are fine right now. They should do next to nothing on personnel but adequate damage on vehicles. Higher damage SL's need to take up Heavy slots. Not sure if it does this right now.
Forge Guns - Need to be redesigned to do very little damage on infantry and adequate damage on vehicles (more so than swarm launchers). Need to be more like a tool for destroying vehicle than a main weapon you kill personnel with.
Mass Drivers - Needs to fire SLOWER, do less damage/splash damage and be able to do damage ALL vehicles, airborne and ground. My SMG effects vehicles so the Mass Driver should too.
Assault Rifles - Need to do consistent damage regardless how far they hit you from. Not more damage the closer they are. This truely makes the SMG pointless.
SMG - A slight bit more DPS. I'm severely disappointed by the end result after having proto-tier SMG's and SMG damage skills maxed out, and still losing gun fights at close quarters after I definitely get the first few shots.
Pistols - Seem fine
Shotguns - Seem fine aside from some hit detection issues where I will be literally on top of someone, fire, get a hit marker and no damage whatsoever will be done to their shield or armor. I doubt this is a balance issue though. It's a glitch.
HMG's - Are fine in essence. They work the way SUBmachine guns should: If they start hitting you at very close range you can fight back but probably won't win before you die. I feel you should turn a bit slower while firing this weapon.
Remote Explosives - Need to be detonated REMOTELY. Not simply because someone stepped on it.

Dropships - We could make an entire forum dedicated to this vehicle and it's... "clever" use. I'll only state my opinion on how it should operate. Design it to take way more damage when landing hard. Design it so that when it hits a soft target (personnel) it does moderate damage to them, not instant death and also damages the dropship itself.
Tanks - Limit the maximum occupancy to two seats. Maybe three for the most expensive tank. Slow down the refire rate of the missiles, both secondary and primary seats. For a weapon they one hit kills they fire way, way too fast.
Turrets - Need to rotate much, much slower. I'm fine with the instant death they can deliver, but it's insane
Grenades - Add an indicator, or a sound, or a light of some sort. I have a 46 inch LCD and often can't notice these things. They come at you too fast, and if you are in a fire fight with someone else, it's pointless trying to look for these things. If they still have tracer rounds 21,000 years from now, they should have a blinking light/sound/something to let me know it's there.

I know this takes place 21,000 years into the future and I'm sure by then vehicles/weapons as crazy as these will surely exist (crazier in fact) but keep in mind this isn't a real war. This is a video game in its beta phase and it has very apparent balance issues. You can explain all day why the dropship should kill people by touching them but just take a step back and realize how non-sportsman like and untalented that is. Now I'm sure you want to chime in and state how "It's a war! It isn't about sportsmanship"/"In war anything goes"/"All is fair in love and war", but look three lines up and notice how I already stated this isn't a real war.

Alright, smartass, point out where I said "Every weapon in this game is a noob weapon".

This game however, seems to cater almost entirely to noobs

Alright, smartass, point out where I said "Every weapon in this game is a noob weapon".

What other game has so many one hit kill weapons available within an hour of playing the game?

If you score a direct hit on a scout it often instantly kills them (Surprise, surprise, yet ANOTHER one hit kill weapon).

Ask and ye shall receive:


I have to ask, do you actually forget things you've said mere minutes ago or is it an act?

Edit: ok, since you called me a smartass, this is required:


^^^ right there, word for word actually

I don't know about you, but to me, Dust 514 is the LEAST noob friendly game on the market right now...

I have no idea how you think the HMG is fine but the SMG is 'too weak'. The SMG is stronger than the HMG currently, if you didn't know. You say you've trained the SMG to max skills but I have no idea how you could've done that and not notice how much face you're melting. High level SMG's are second really only to high level pistols. Pistols are the best gun in the game currently. How many of these things you are complaining about have you actually tried? You were wrong about remote explosives, and even admitted you were only operating on hearsay with them. They explode when the person who threw them dies. This is what you experienced.

As far as mass drivers go ... Their paper and practical DPS is still much lower than an assault rifle or SMG. The splash size is perfect to prevent wild 'foot spam' and force the person to actually aim, because the splash radius is so small.


Dropships.. I'm not going to touch that here. Look here for a lengthy read on dropships and their turrets and how to make them 'not lame'.

Test it for yourself: grab an SMG find a heavy armor HMG combo then run straight at him while firing at each other at the same time.

First off, every time I see you in a game, I see you crushing people with the dropship and forge gunning on the top of a building, so already it is hard for me to respect your opinion regarding how this game should play.

About the HMG vs SMG - You fail to realize the amount of damage done when close vs mid range. I notice I can take people out at close-mid range when they have an HMG and I have an SMG and hop around a bit, but when they are right on me, I promise you my SMG is pointless. Test it for yourself: grab an SMG find a heavy armor HMG combo then run straight at him while firing at each other at the same time.

As for SMGs being second only to pistols - Wow, really? You really just said that? So the Creodon Breach AR, high level shotguns, and forge gun are all less deadly than the SMG? We see these weapons way too much for them to be weaker than the SMG. Typically in every game, beta or final, the better weapons are the ones you see most. I rarely see SMGs compared to other weapons/vehicular weapons nowadays. It's because running around with the SMG isn't enough.

Again, I'm sure people like you on these forums but people like presidential candidates for the same reason: You say what other people want to hear. Unfortunately, since people want this game to be easier and full of more one hit kill weapons, that's not good. Even scrubs will get tired of no challenge eventually and people that actually give honest reviews of video games will tell the public about this game for what it really is. A noob fest full of anything but First Person Shooting. It will be a lot like Warhawk except with better graphics.

Don't get upset with me for wanting this game to be more focused on gun play than "fire and forget". As it stands, 360 and Players are not missing out on ANYTHING by not having this game on their systems.

LOL WUT

What don't you get? If the SMG is more powerful than the HMG, then the SMG user should win. Whether he has the same armor or weaker is irrelevant since the HMG is so weak and the SMG is so strong.

It seems like the HMG has a lower effective range but tears enemies up when they are close enough - more so than the SMG. I will agree that the HMG could do with a slightly further Effectiveness range, but only slightly. HMG users already have the high armor/high shield/high ammo/high damage weapon going for them. They just have to be close in order to kill.

Hmm, you charged straight at a heavy with an HMG using what suit and an SMG?

If it wasn't another heavy, your suit wasn't built to take that kind of punishment - his was.

Grenades - Add an indicator, or a sound, or a light of some sort. I have a 46 inch LCD and often can't notice these things. They come at you too fast, and if you are in a fire fight with someone else, it's pointless trying to look for these things. If they still have tracer rounds 21,000 years from now, they should have a blinking light/sound/something to let me know it's there.

I don't know about the ammo, I only know what I've talked to people about, and apparently I was lied to about the damage to vehicles. Someone, who will remain unnamed, told me that it doesn't affect tanks.

Not good at hitting the enemy but you want to move around? Grab a Mass Driver and ***** about how weak it is without having the proto-tier version or leveled up skills for it, then realize how OP the proto-tier version is when you kill enemies just by firing at the ground 2-3 times, and kill them instantly when you hit them in the body one time.

Mass Drivers - Needs to fire SLOWER, do less damage/splash damage and be able to do damage ALL vehicles, airborne and ground. My SMG effects vehicles so the Mass Driver should too.