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Commander Xtreme wrote:

Killface Rodeo wrote:

Commander Xtreme wrote:

Killface Rodeo wrote:

This is bad business. You are also going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths with this method. Some people don't understand why you can only play on the weekends, or why it looks and plays like ****, even though it's still in beta. I know your goal is to get a dedicated fanbase like eve and have microtransactions be your bread an butter in your free-to-play, pay-to-win game. Though, you are cutting yourselves off from a huge market of more casual types, that don't go into forums or deal with the gaming community ( I guess I really don't blame them.) You have already lost potential players (customers).

That is a fantastic point aswell, but CCP aren't mainstream Devs. They aren't making Dust for casual gamers, they are NOT making it mainstream - its free, who makes a free mainstream game?
Whilst your point does make sense, its not valid - CCP don't want market shares, they wanna make Dust & EVE players interact, nothing that EVE players are hardly mainstream

Their method is really really ******, I'm very put off by the fact that I had to PAY TO TEST A GAME. This is NOT eve, seriously, it is not. I don't buy the whole "this game wasn't made for mainstream". Well, no ****... but that doesn't take away from the fact that a potential hardcore and paying player like myself is already put off by their method. I don't see much progress will be made using this strategy.

Your argument is based on "I HAD to pay" - if that was the case, I would support you. But you didn't HAVE to pay, you couldv've skipped the Beta.

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Killface Rodeo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote So I bit my lip and bought your Beta from the PS store for 20 bucks because I have been anticipating this release for a long time. But after playing this.... it feels like some late alpha instead. PS + members have been promised FREE beta access in the past (I'm not saying by you but in general this was one of the main draws for people to get a PS+ membership, for "free" beta access). You are asking people to pay 20 dollars to test your game basically. On top of that, the day that this was released on the PS store for the public to pay to test your game, your game wasn't even up. You do beta weekends only? Cool, but it is a huge kick in the nuts to download a game and them someone tells you, "oh not yet!" This is bad business. You are also going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths with this method. Some people don't understand why you can only play on the weekends, or why it looks and plays like **, even though it's still in beta. I know your goal is to get a dedicated fanbase like eve and have microtransactions be your bread an butter in your free-to-play, pay-to-win game. Though, you are cutting yourselves off from a huge market of more casual types, that don't go into forums or deal with the gaming community ( I guess I really don't blame them.) You have already lost potential players (customers). You are targeting the MAG community, I get it but you are risking dilution of your own intellectual property by making these moves. Most people still don't know what eve is or the "weight" that name holds. I have heard great stories and I enjoy reading about the happenings in the eve universe. What is happening here, is people will begin to associate eve, dust514 as a mediocre pay-to-win FPS. Nothing more. Not all of the flowery, technical and role playing jargon you are spitting out can't hide the fact that this still just an FPS. At the end of the day we have to shoot guys to win. Regardless if you call this an MMOFPS, al I have seen that is "MMO" is chat rooms, customization and an "auction house". The main meat of this game is the shooting.... this is an FPS, if you that part up, no one is going to give a that it is also an "MMO". What I love about the way the game is structured though is that it forces people to care about objectives and use teamwork. Not even battlefield can do that anymore. But, what I am worried about is voice chat. On DCUO and Starhawk there are constant issues with voice chat cutting out. Please, go and see for yourself what issues those games have and how they handle it. In a game where strategy is KEY, this will be a huge blow to the potential dedicated players. Hopefully a short daily maintenance will prevent that though. There will be a lot of groups of friends coming to play this game, in their own squads. If they can't communicate or play the game effectively due to technical restraints, you lose much more than just one customer at a time. Charging people to test your game is NOT a good start. You will not get the feedback/bug reports you desire from this group. The "pay-to-test" group I guess is your stress test? I know you had already sent out some closed beta codes for free but are still charging people to test kits and things you buy from the store. How the ** are you going to get the tests and results you need if you are limiting what can be tested at this crucial time? Why not make the beta free for all PS+ members so you get on their good side first? Allow people to test out whatever gear/loadouts they want so that you can better ascertain the effects on gameplay? Not only gameplay but stability. The way this beta feels when I play it, it feels like it's just ready to fall apart or crash at any given time. And i'm sorry the "this is only beta" argument does not work. I have seen plenty of games that go from beta to final code and have retained many of the issues from beta. A lot of promises have been made and I doubt you will hold a strong enough customer loyalty for people to stick around for years to come and watch your game "evolve" and "grow". PC gamers are different from console gamers. I do both, but on average, PC gamers deal with betas and broken games more and are more forgiving when it comes to these issues. People that play PC games, leave and come back to things they have invested time in like MMOs. Console gamers are less forgiving and on average younger and less patient. To be honest, from the moment you guys announced that this was going free-to-play I was worried. Just because something is free doesn't mean people will choke it up and say "well the game has problems, but at least it's free! Guess ill keep playing" It doesn't work like that. Time is NOT free. Ever. It is constantly moving and the time I spent writing this thing that will ultimately have no effect and be flamed or locked or whatever is gone forever. I will never get this time back. So in the same sense you are asking people to use the time in their life, which is fleeting, to play this. Regardless if it is free, if it is not good, people wont waste their time. I would rather see you make this a full retail release with all the bells and whistles, make it somewhat sharp and appealing for release, maybe a box set? Artwork? I know we all love the concept and art direction of this game as well as its atmosphere. That's where a lot of the appeal in this game for me is. The aesthetic, the mood... it's absolutely gorgeous in its concept, I can see what you are trying to accomplish. I really hope the game is great in time for release in its full form. And I mean GREAT! So great that I would not put a second thought into making real money purchases for your game. I want it to be the only FPS (MMO) I play. Make shooting feel good. Shooting does not feel good. It is at the very core of your game which is still an FPS. It is the only actual gameplay to be had.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:25:00 - [2] - Quote Unfortunately in recents years all betas are really just demos of a finished game. Dust514 is a true beta. HTFU.
Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:26:00 - [3] - Quote I get what you are saying, but it is a CLOSED Beta - and on top of that, they did give out codes. Plus I'd imagine CCP want to weed out random mainstream gamers who won't realise Beta = unfinished product. Imagine if EVERYONE played unfinished products, you'd lose a lot of customers. Apart from making money, paying for Beta access means you a serious about it, and will actively participate rather than go "crap graphics cba". Not to mention, if you pay for the Beta, you basically get a gamepack now, and after release, kind of like a upgrade pack or something, you know? And who could forget how bad BF3 Beta was on console? But your argument still has some validity, I didn't wanna pay either, but Dust is the perfect shooter for me (in concept)
Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:28:00 - [4] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Unfortunately in recents years all betas are really just demos of a finished game. Dust514 is a true beta. HTFU. And this quote above is also correct, this is testing ground - literally. Think of the WoW Alpha & Pre-Alpha. Don't think this is nearly a finished piece of work, CCP want Dust to be as good as EVE.
Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:31:00 - [5] - Quote Killface Rodeo wrote: This is bad business. You are also going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths with this method. Some people don't understand why you can only play on the weekends, or why it looks and plays like ****, even though it's still in beta. I know your goal is to get a dedicated fanbase like eve and have microtransactions be your bread an butter in your free-to-play, pay-to-win game. Though, you are cutting yourselves off from a huge market of more casual types, that don't go into forums or deal with the gaming community ( I guess I really don't blame them.) You have already lost potential players (customers). That is a fantastic point aswell, but CCP aren't mainstream Devs. They aren't making Dust for casual gamers, they are NOT making it mainstream - its free, who makes a free mainstream game? Whilst your point does make sense, its not valid - CCP don't want market shares, they wanna make Dust & EVE players interact, nothing that EVE players are hardly mainstream
Killface Rodeo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:37:00 - [6] - Quote This is PAYING TO TEST THE GAME. Not just a beta... I have never payed to play a beta until now... Why was this not free to PS+ members? Only people that are serious about the game are going to invest any time in writing up bugs or even use the forums. I am so put off at this method that I seriously do not feel like I can say anything positive or even aid their efforts in testing this game. Pay-to-test, free-to-play, pay-to-win. Can I get a dev or production response as to why this is pay-to-test? Why this was not made available to PS+ members for free? "Oh just anyone would join" is not a good answer. I am seriously regretting supporting your company.
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:44:00 - [7] - Quote Killface Rodeo wrote: Why was this not free to PS+ members? Because for $20, you purchased the equivalent of a $20 purchase worth of in-game currency (aurum), and got several other items on top of that. All of which will be credited to your account upon the release of the final game. Beta access was also included. Nobody said you had to purchase it, and if you wanted beta access for free, you could have waited until they offered access for free, or signed up on the beta registration site.
Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:45:00 - [8] - Quote Killface Rodeo wrote: This is PAYING TO TEST THE GAME. Not just a beta... I have never payed to play a beta until now... Why was this not free to PS+ members? Only people that are serious about the game are going to invest any time in writing up bugs or even use the forums. I am so put off at this method that I seriously do not feel like I can say anything positive or even aid their efforts in testing this game. Pay-to-test, free-to-play, pay-to-win. Can I get a dev or production response as to why this is pay-to-test? Why this was not made available to PS+ members for free? "Oh just anyone would join" is not a good answer. I am seriously regretting supporting your company. This isnt a paid Beta - it was a SMALL SCALE Beta, it had to be. The option for paying not only entitles you to a DLC, but is a way for players who REALLY wanna play, who dont access to be able to play. Imagine how people would be upset if it was invite only, with NO work around.
Killface Rodeo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:45:00 - [9] - Quote Commander Xtreme wrote: Killface Rodeo wrote: This is bad business. You are also going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths with this method. Some people don't understand why you can only play on the weekends, or why it looks and plays like **, even though it's still in beta. I know your goal is to get a dedicated fanbase like eve and have microtransactions be your bread an butter in your free-to-play, pay-to-win game. Though, you are cutting yourselves off from a huge market of more casual types, that don't go into forums or deal with the gaming community ( I guess I really don't blame them.) You have already lost potential players (customers). That is a fantastic point aswell, but CCP aren't mainstream Devs. They aren't making Dust for casual gamers, they are NOT making it mainstream - its free, who makes a free mainstream game? Whilst your point does make sense, its not valid - CCP don't want market shares, they wanna make Dust & EVE players interact, nothing that EVE players are hardly mainstream Their method is really really **, I'm very put off by the fact that I had to PAY TO TEST A GAME. This is NOT eve, seriously, it is not. I don't buy the whole "this game wasn't made for mainstream". Well, no **... but that doesn't take away from the fact that a potential hardcore and paying player like myself is already put off by their method. I don't see much progress will be made using this strategy.
jackbubu United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 24	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:49:00 - [10] - Quote Killface Rodeo wrote: This is PAYING TO TEST THE GAME. Not just a beta... I have never payed to play a beta until now... Why was this not free to PS+ members? Only people that are serious about the game are going to invest any time in writing up bugs or even use the forums. I am so put off at this method that I seriously do not feel like I can say anything positive or even aid their efforts in testing this game. Pay-to-test, free-to-play, pay-to-win. Can I get a dev or production response as to why this is pay-to-test? Why this was not made available to PS+ members for free? "Oh just anyone would join" is not a good answer. I am seriously regretting supporting your company. what are you even complaining about, you got exactly what you paid for, a collector item package, the beta access just happened to be in there. if you want the beta for free just sign up and hope to be lucky. so what exactly did you expect when you decided to buy this package?

Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:50:00 - [11] - Quote Killface Rodeo wrote: Commander Xtreme wrote: Killface Rodeo wrote: This is bad business. You are also going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths with this method. Some people don't understand why you can only play on the weekends, or why it looks and plays like **, even though it's still in beta. I know your goal is to get a dedicated fanbase like eve and have microtransactions be your bread an butter in your free-to-play, pay-to-win game. Though, you are cutting yourselves off from a huge market of more casual types, that don't go into forums or deal with the gaming community ( I guess I really don't blame them.) You have already lost potential players (customers). That is a fantastic point aswell, but CCP aren't mainstream Devs. They aren't making Dust for casual gamers, they are NOT making it mainstream - its free, who makes a free mainstream game? Whilst your point does make sense, its not valid - CCP don't want market shares, they wanna make Dust & EVE players interact, nothing that EVE players are hardly mainstream Their method is really really **, I'm very put off by the fact that I had to PAY TO TEST A GAME. This is NOT eve, seriously, it is not. I don't buy the whole "this game wasn't made for mainstream". Well, no **... but that doesn't take away from the fact that a potential hardcore and paying player like myself is already put off by their method. I don't see much progress will be made using this strategy. Your argument is based on "I HAD to pay" - if that was the case, I would support you. But you didn't HAVE to pay, you couldv've skipped the Beta.
Quack Man Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:56:00 - [12] - Quote Commander Xtreme wrote: Killface Rodeo wrote: Commander Xtreme wrote: Killface Rodeo wrote: This is bad business. You are also going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths with this method. Some people don't understand why you can only play on the weekends, or why it looks and plays like **, even though it's still in beta. I know your goal is to get a dedicated fanbase like eve and have microtransactions be your bread an butter in your free-to-play, pay-to-win game. Though, you are cutting yourselves off from a huge market of more casual types, that don't go into forums or deal with the gaming community ( I guess I really don't blame them.) You have already lost potential players (customers). That is a fantastic point aswell, but CCP aren't mainstream Devs. They aren't making Dust for casual gamers, they are NOT making it mainstream - its free, who makes a free mainstream game? Whilst your point does make sense, its not valid - CCP don't want market shares, they wanna make Dust & EVE players interact, nothing that EVE players are hardly mainstream Their method is really really **, I'm very put off by the fact that I had to PAY TO TEST A GAME. This is NOT eve, seriously, it is not. I don't buy the whole "this game wasn't made for mainstream". Well, no **... but that doesn't take away from the fact that a potential hardcore and paying player like myself is already put off by their method. I don't see much progress will be made using this strategy. Your argument is based on "I HAD to pay" - if that was the case, I would support you. But you didn't HAVE to pay, you couldv've skipped the Beta. CCP put a Scrambler Pistol to his head and forced him to purchase the Merc Package.
JokerLS240 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:57:00 - [13] - Quote I just want to add that the statement "pay-to-win" is incorrect. CCP is working to make all items (of their respective classes: standard, advanced, Aurum-bought, etc.) equal. They have openly stated that there will not be a potential for players to use Aurum to gain an unfair advantage over those who worked to purchase items with ISK and built up their skills over time. Also, if you had attended the E3 even in Home, you could have unlocked a chance to win a free beta code in the Dust514 Home space.
Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:00:00 - [14] - Quote JokerLS240 wrote: I just want to add that the statement "pay-to-win" is incorrect. CCP is working to make all items (of their respective classes: standard, advanced, Aurum-bought, etc.) equal. They have openly stated that there will not be a potential for players to use Aurum to gain an unfair advantage over those who worked to purchase items with ISK and built up their skills over time. Also, if you had attended the E3 even in Home, you could have unlocked a chance to win a free beta code in the Dust514 Home space. Don't mean to go off topic, but I'm new to PS3 - you can watch E3 in home?!
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:07:00 - [15] - Quote Commander Xtreme wrote: JokerLS240 wrote: I just want to add that the statement "pay-to-win" is incorrect. CCP is working to make all items (of their respective classes: standard, advanced, Aurum-bought, etc.) equal. They have openly stated that there will not be a potential for players to use Aurum to gain an unfair advantage over those who worked to purchase items with ISK and built up their skills over time. Also, if you had attended the E3 even in Home, you could have unlocked a chance to win a free beta code in the Dust514 Home space. Don't mean to go off topic, but I'm new to PS3 - you can watch E3 in home?! Yep, they've been setting up a virtual PlayStation E3 booth there at least the past couple years. That's where I got my Dust key. I think they might also stream the Sony press conference there too.
Killface Rodeo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:10:00 - [16] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Unfortunately in recents years all betas are really just demos of a finished game. Dust514 is a true beta. HTFU. This is what I am seriously hoping for. Betas have been just demos of final release lately, so this is what I'm praying for. Hoping CCP lives up to their famed integrity.
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:13:00 - [17] - Quote So you're complaining because you didnt realise you didnt have to pay to get the beta? Well I guess I can't relate because some of us were smart enough to get the beta for free.....
Killface Rodeo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:31:00 - [18] - Quote Their method is really really ****, I'm very put off by the fact that I had to PAY TO TEST A GAME. This is NOT eve, seriously, it is not. I don't buy the whole "this game wasn't made for mainstream". Well, no ... but that doesn't take away from the fact that a potential hardcore and paying player like myself is already put off by their method. I don't see much progress will be made using this strategy. [/quote] Your argument is based on "I HAD to pay" - if that was the case, I would support you. But you didn't HAVE to pay, you couldv've skipped the Beta. [/quote] CCP put a Scrambler Pistol to his head and forced him to purchase the Merc Package.[/quote] NIce way to harp on a single point, doesn't take away from the fact that this is a **** method. Hope they can survive on the 500 or so dedicated players they will have. CCP is still a company that needs money and new to making games on a console, I just hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot. Keep in mind that those of us on the forums actually commenting are the MINORITY. Deal with it, most players will never set foot in these forums. Most people, if put off by the game, will not play it and will not pay for AUR unless the game is something really special. That will ultimately decide the fate of this game, player base. PS3 is already last place as far as console sales go. Even less people buy dlc so there's that too. CCP has not been making the best decisions in recent years if you have been following the eve community.
Shadowz42 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:43:00 - [19] - Quote Commander Xtreme wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Unfortunately in recents years all betas are really just demos of a finished game. Dust514 is a true beta. HTFU. And this quote above is also correct, this is testing ground - literally. Think of the WoW Alpha & Pre-Alpha. Don't think this is nearly a finished piece of work, CCP want Dust to be as good as EVE. This. O and for those who don't know HTFU means Heart the F*ck Up
Mirun Hirute Algintal Core Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:49:00 - [20] - Quote Commander Xtreme wrote: I get what you are saying, but it is a CLOSED Beta - and on top of that, they did give out codes. Plus I'd imagine CCP want to weed out random mainstream gamers who won't realise Beta = unfinished product. Imagine if EVERYONE played unfinished products, you'd lose a lot of customers. Apart from making money, paying for Beta access means you a serious about it, and will actively participate rather than go "crap graphics cba". Not to mention, if you pay for the Beta, you basically get a gamepack now, and after release, kind of like a upgrade pack or something, you know? And who could forget how bad BF3 Beta was on console? But your argument still has some validity, I didn't wanna pay either, but Dust is the perfect shooter for me (in concept) Skytt Syysch wrote: Killface Rodeo wrote: Why was this not free to PS+ members? Because for $20, you purchased the equivalent of a $20 purchase worth of in-game currency (aurum), and got several other items on top of that. All of which will be credited to your account upon the release of the final game. Beta access was also included. Nobody said you had to purchase it, and if you wanted beta access for free, you could have waited until they offered access for free, or signed up on the beta registration site. You're missing a major point of Killface Rodeo's here, Skytt and Commander Xtreme. Killface is already a paying member of Playstation+, this provides him access to certain perks, free games, full game demos, and as he mentions, sometimes free beta access. What happened is that for him to continue to participate in the Dust 514 beta, he had to pay on top of his Playstation+ subscription for the Merc Pack. His argument is that he doesn't appreciate this and feels that Playstation+ users should be provided with access to the beta as part of the perks they are provided with the PS+ service. This is not an unreasonable argument and CCP Games would do well to coordinate with Playstation+ rather than burn users like Killface Rodeo. Commander Xtreme, your argumentation here is especially weak in trying to defend CCP's methods in this area, as Playstation+ users are already a weeded out population from the so-called mainstream gamers, reducing the risk of permitting them into the beta from tarnishing the image of the game before release. Not to mention, it's unlikely even a majority of PS+ users will become aware of the deal, and even if they do, that they will participate in it.

Killface Rodeo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.04 18:19:00 - [21] - Quote In all honesty I wasn't expecting this from the feedback/requests board, if i wanted to argue about a point, I would have made a topic in general. Here I was voicing my right to give feedback, which is what I did. Which was meant for the dev/production team. If you want to continue this please make a general topic to complain about my feedback topic.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.04 18:26:00 - [22] - Quote One of the draws for PS+ is that you SOMETIMES get beta access. A HUGE amount of games have their beta testing done in-house by the developers, and the public sees NOTHING of those tests. you don't go out and complain that because they developed a game for the PS3, and you have PS+, you should be given access to the beta testing phase of EVERY game released on the PS3, do you? Go ahead. Try that. See how far it gets you. And as mentioned in multiple threads, you're not paying for the BETA. You're paying for MORE ACCESS to the beta than people who got in through the usual methods. And you're paying for the AUR and items, which in case you forgot, all carry over to the full version.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.07.04 18:39:00 - [23] - Quote QQ get over it. you paid for 4000 AUR and specific items that are returned to you at release of game to respend. if not the same suits and gun then ones that are equivalent. you paid for privilege to play a F2P game early. i had a free all access pass, i was first round of testers picked in the US. i STILL bought this pack. STFU besides, did you ever own GT Prologue? yea, $60 for that beta, stop QQ
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:41:00 - [24] - Quote Mirun Hirute wrote: You're missing a major point of Killface Rodeo's here, Skytt and Commander Xtreme. Killface is already a paying member of Playstation+, this provides him access to certain perks, free games, full game demos, and as he mentions, sometimes free beta access. Mirun Hirute wrote: sometimes free beta access. Mirun Hirute wrote: sometimes Mirun Hirute wrote: sometimes I've been a PS+ member since day 1, I know how it works. You're not guaranteed access into every beta. This is no different. There were ways to get in free (and still are).
Rafgas first BetaMax. 18	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:45:00 - [25] - Quote waah waaah waaah
Hawk Von Draum Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:48:00 - [26] - Quote No one has paid for access to this beta, what you pay for is game items and currency, the access is given as a bonus.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:56:00 - [27] - Quote Mirun Hirute wrote: You're missing a major point of Killface Rodeo's here, Skytt and Commander Xtreme. Killface is already a paying member of Playstation+, this provides him access to certain perks, free games, full game demos, and as he mentions, sometimes free beta access. What happened is that for him to continue to participate in the Dust 514 beta, he had to pay on top of his Playstation+ subscription for the Merc Pack. His argument is that he doesn't appreciate this and feels that Playstation+ users should be provided with access to the beta as part of the perks they are provided with the PS+ service. This is not an unreasonable argument and CCP Games would do well to coordinate with Playstation+ rather than burn users like Killface Rodeo. Commander Xtreme, your argumentation here is especially weak in trying to defend CCP's methods in this area, as Playstation+ users are already a weeded out population from the so-called mainstream gamers, reducing the risk of permitting them into the beta from tarnishing the image of the game before release. Not to mention, it's unlikely even a majority of PS+ users will become aware of the deal, and even if they do, that they will participate in it. he could have signed up and gotten a beta code. I got 4, 2 from playing eve and and 2 from signing up on this site. He just needs to harden the **** up. Plenty of people were pissed off that playstation+ subscribers got in before eve players, but we HTFU. The 20$ he spent went towards the aurum which he can use in beta and reuse again once the game is released. If you are that butthurt, I'm sure activision will be willing to sell you Call of Dooty: Modern Warfare 4: Xtreme Editon for 80$
Blind Omen Fyre 30	Posted - 2012.07.04 20:06:00 - [28] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Unfortunately in recents years all betas are really just demos of a finished game. Dust514 is a true beta. HTFU. Your my hero.
Angel Vicious Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.07.04 20:12:00 - [29] - Quote I already replied to his other post that basically was the same complaint. To summarize that response I said that the merc pack was a great deal and it is ungrateful to expect more from ccp if you paid a mere 20 dollars for it. So I'm going to use this post to be really constructive and say: U mad bro?


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