As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc.

so in other words you'd like to let console pubbies dumb it down to the point where its like every other fps?

eve players annoying? wait till i can orbital strike your ass

Greetings,

While I disagree with you, I can understand your point. The thing you need to understand though is that the EVE players are the ones who have paid the bills for this game and will continue to pay the bills when the CoD and Halo crowds have moved on to CoD-2013 Q1 or Halo 25 or Killzone 3000.

This game is an extension of our game and as such we have a very vested interest in it being done right. Additionally, we understand the lore behind this game and have helped write that lore over the last 10 years.

When this game launches, it will be the money we have earned in EVE that will be used to pay for the Dust mercenaries, so again we have a vested interest in seeing it get done right.

Finally, while I am not one, there are plenty of hardcore FPS fans in EVE, but as I have stated in many threads, Dust is not an FPS, it is a MMORPG with a FPS combat system... There are huge differences, and I for one am glad for it.

I've noticed that eve players try to enforce the eve aspect of dust while console fps players just say its too complicated and combersome. I'm a console fps person guy and I like the eve part of dust. It gives me something to think about before jumping into battle all willy nilly, my friends think other wise. They dont like that you have to learn skills to opperate anything. They dont like that you lose your weapons and equipment when you die. Most of them just wanna level up and get things automatically. If it were left to them I fear that dust might end up being a very dumbed down version of what the developers want the game to be.

As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo.

the gameplay like the shooting is wonky and wont attract the intended audience needed for the game to survive.

I play Eve, and I have been playing console FPS since Golden Eye 64. Non-Eve players are really annoying IMO. They come in here with dumb ass suggestions and what not, things that do not fit into the world of Eve. Eve players tend to be older, more mature, and more intelligent (probably due to the complexity and learning curve of the game) than most other game's playerbase. It's one of the biggest selling points of Eve for many. Console FPS players tend be on the complete other end of the spectrum. So I would propose that ONLY Eve players should be allowed in the Beta, for fear the dumb public will try to force their dumb will on what should be a smart game. The only reason the general public's stupidity doesn't scare me that much is that CCP has a pretty good track record of not listening or bending to the dumb masses.

Now if the game dies it's not my fault (hopefully im proven wrong,)

this may just be me and me being stupid but i really don't see a difference between a console fps and a pc fps

Also Im more about testing the gameplay not the lore or story behind dust you can keep that on going but the gameplay is horrible.

IMO they should've distributed beta keys to all the MAG players. It wasn't a fps like CoD or Halo, just like dust 514 isn't a fps like those games.

As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo.

-Only reason i want more players in the beta to test out the game, to help make it better. Have a good story or mechanics don't make this good if someone cant kill someone due to the crap hit detection, they'll be turned off by it and tell their friends not to get it so you'll have that small fanbase but will eventually die out like mag

Also Im more about testing the gameplay not the lore or story behind dust you can keep that on going but the gameplay is horrible.

Kinda unfair to us.. I played EVE for 7 years.. have recently retired from the game (burn out) I have been here testing (weekend tests access) and so far I like what I have seen. the game has plenty of potential and the fact that I will be able to blow up EVE players starships out of the sky appeals to me a lot, interacting with them is appealing as well, we all want a great game regardless if we played EVE or not , EVE is a special type of game, with plenty of player created content as well as drama :P but in its right without EVE there would be no DUST , were not all that annoying, mostly a lot of EVE players are friendly :D especially when in the EVE radio channel :D.

sadly ive only met the annoying ones.

Get over the whole "It's being developed for consoles" schtick. This is a multiplatform game, even if Dust in itself is launching on the PS3 first, it still has a significant impact on other platforms.

As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo.

-Only reason i want more players in the beta to test out the game, to help make it better. Have a good story or mechanics don't make this good if someone cant kill someone due to the crap hit detection, they'll be turned off by it and tell their friends not to get it so you'll have that small fanbase but will eventually die out like mag

so in other words you'd like to let console pubbies dumb it down to the point where its like every other fps?

eve players annoying? wait till i can orbital strike your ass

Stick with EVE thats why there is a big chance this game will burn out quickly because you pc players think your **** dont stink but the money is in CONSOLE GAMES YOU DUMB PUBBIE!!!!

I play Eve, and I have been playing console FPS since Golden Eye 64. Non-Eve players are really annoying IMO. They come in here with dumb ass suggestions and what not, things that do not fit into the world of Eve. Eve players tend to be older, more mature, and more intelligent (probably due to the complexity and learning curve of the game) than most other game's playerbase. It's one of the biggest selling points of Eve for many. Console FPS players tend be on the complete other end of the spectrum. So I would propose that ONLY Eve players should be allowed in the Beta, for fear the dumb public will try to force their dumb will on what should be a smart game. The only reason the general public's stupidity doesn't scare me that much is that CCP has a pretty good track record of not listening or bending to the dumb masses.

OP : I sense a troll. Seeing as you've gotten both appetizer and main course already, i'll serve the dessert.

You assume, just because the EVE players play EVE, that they know nothing at all about what makes an FPS good.
Also, one has to be a raving idiot to not "get" basic mechanics, as they seperate Wolfenstein 3D from modern games.
You forget that just about every other FPS game has the lifespan of a banana. By its very nature, DUST absolutely has to live longer than that.
You also seem to forget that DUST and EVE will become one universe. As a result, some EVE players have invested, sometimes literally, on DUST. If the game fails because it died like everybody else, those players might vote with their wallets. That would just be bad business for CCP.
I've said this before and i'll say this again : CoD players are going to suffer the most beta dropouts as CCP starts adding more complexity. Because CCP games thrive on slow, steady growth, this is actually healthy for DUST.

Lastly, respect the EVE players and their spaceships. They have long memories, longer backstab knives, and bigger guns than most DUST players could ever hope to wield. With this thread, you got one step closer to being on the recieving end of all those things.

Theres your Banana Split. Eat it before the fruit dies

when Dust 514 is coming for PC.

CCP's target market for Dust 514 is Console gamers, I hope to god that never changes.

most of the EVE player i run into for Beta, they flat out SUCK at having any kind of Shooter Gun skill & they have no concept of the Objective. so they go and abuse the Vehicles just like they do in EVE.

the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans

I was going to comment on the EVE vs FPS player topic and the value of their relative contibutions toward making this game a success but....nah.

I'm stocking up on beer and popcorn to enjoy witnessing the following inevitable events:



1. The combination of the EVE Forum community and the FPS forum communities (especially MAG) should result in record breaking amounts of : bans, locked threads, and behavior that Mr. Rogers would not approve of.

2. Once DUST/EVE are fully integrated, epic tear-filled, surprise-non-consensual-public-pillow-biting-catastrophes will occur in-game and be reported on for all to read.

Its going to be brilliant.

WRONG!!!!!!!!

(I think you mean "It's")

lol, yes I did!

1. The combination of the EVE Forum community and the FPS forum communities (especially MAG) should result in record breaking amounts of : bans, locked threads, and behavior that Mr. Rogers would not approve of.



It's going to be brilliant.

I like dust 514 but im just saying in order for the game to have a decent following you need more fps players possibly players from mag as it's the most similar thing to dust to beta test it.

I play Eve, and I have been playing console FPS since Golden Eye 64. Non-Eve players are really annoying IMO. They come in here with dumb ass suggestions and what not, things that do not fit into the world of Eve. Eve players tend to be older, more mature, and more intelligent (probably due to the complexity and learning curve of the game) than most other game's playerbase. It's one of the biggest selling points of Eve for many. Console FPS players tend be on the complete other end of the spectrum. So I would propose that ONLY Eve players should be allowed in the Beta, for fear the dumb public will try to force their dumb will on what should be a smart game. The only reason the general public's stupidity doesn't scare me that much is that CCP has a pretty good track record of not listening or bending to the dumb masses.

... you can't judge someones intelligence by the games they choose to play..

true, but when the average age of EVE players is somewhere near 30-ish, it says something about the maturity level felt in the game.

There are some really annoying players one of them being a prime example is Mittani.....CEO of Goonswarm..

Lets try to work together to make this game work, its the complexity that got me interested in the first place.

Max Trichomes, you can't judge someones intelligence by the games they choose to play.

V2 ELECTRON, we need eve players to test this aswell as they know alot more about the ingame politics and economy. Also they could be very proficient FPS console gamers aswell.

I hope to hell this game is not dumbed down.

If this game were to be dumbed down I would call a crusade to publicly label people like V2 Electron as the culprits. Just because I can.

Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all

Stick with EVE thats why there is a big chance this game will burn out quickly because you pc players think your **** dont stink but the money is in CONSOLE GAMES YOU DUMB PUBBIE!!!!

Greetings,

While I disagree with you, I can understand your point. The thing you need to understand though is that the EVE players are the ones who have paid the bills for this game and will continue to pay the bills when the CoD and Halo crowds have moved on to CoD-2013 Q1 or Halo 25 or Killzone 3000.

This game is an extension of our game and as such we have a very vested interest in it being done right. Additionally, we understand the lore behind this game and have helped write that lore over the last 10 years.

When this game launches, it will be the money we have earned in EVE that will be used to pay for the Dust mercenaries, so again we have a vested interest in seeing it get done right.

Finally, while I am not one, there are plenty of hardcore FPS fans in EVE, but as I have stated in many threads, Dust is not an FPS, it is a MMORPG with a FPS combat system... There are huge differences, and I for one am glad for it.

Ummm, let's look at this a bit. EVE has been around for 10 years... The same EVE game... People spend$15 per month on EVE... Every year there is a new FPS of the year and the hard core FPS players migrate to it... It seems to me that you guys are the ones who kill the gamess, we simply make ours better and better, better.

IVE been on EVE for 6+ years if you realy look close at the number of eve players its not what they seem to be, i have friends that have multiple accounts so its realy not growing the way you say it is and there are halo, gears, modernwarfare ext. that have been and will be playing for many years to come and they are in the millions.

I have played eve for something like 8 years. I also play on my ps3 more than is probably healthy. 1314 psn trophies right now. (Yay epeen) Most people who play dust and are also eve players probably have similar stories (Even if they do not mirror my excessive gaming habits) though there are a few who apparently bought a Ps3 just for dust and well... I'll stop there.

That said, It's a very silly thing to suggest. No matter how you put it, Dust is an extension to Eve. Whatever happens in dust correlates to eve, and that very much makes dust an eve player's business. Saying "XXX should not beta test because they don't know what they are talking about" Could just as easily apply to 90% of people on the internet.

You're not pissed at eve fanboys, you're pissed at fanboys in general. And this is very understandable. But, if we could exclude people from the beta as easily as you seem to want... the beta would be very empty and not very fun :(

although i like that im in the same world as eve players but im considered a lower class console junkie, it kinda just makes me feel like i fit into the role as a dust mercenary beter, i do also stongly agree that this game is very important to alot of eve players, and they deserve the right to play this game as much as anyone else, i do think that there should be some sort of indicater on their character that they are from eve... i.e. a symbol on the helmet or something so i know who to kill first

Mark me up yo.
see how much you can drop me.
it'll be fun for the both of us.

i love how people in this thread are trying to compare EVE(pc game/mmorpg) to FPS(console games/fps) lol its like comparing apples an oranges you keep saying eves been around for 10+years an ok congratz thats a good thing but think of it like this its a pc game 1 an 2 its a flipping mmorpg thats why its been around so long look how long world of warcraft runescape an any other rpg has been around probably the same length or longer then eve why because there MMORPG GAMES NOT FPS DUH..... FPs change every year 1 because there on a console an 2 they FPS industry is always changing an there coming up with something new nothing changes in rpg really it all involves the same concept an thats it

edit:: the point of this rant stop comparing EVE to other games other then rpgs plain an simple because your comapring apples an oranges an it makes no since what so ever

come at me bro lol

Oh and my Tac rifle has been DYING to meet you, Royal. Maybe we should schedule a play date! Lol!

get on teamspeak yo!!

i'll own your face when i get the advanced scout suit tomorrow morning.

have to EDIT for the man love for los<3
lol

Your points are completely ass backwards. Every FPS gamethat has come out recently is a shell of its original model i.e. BF series, COD series, SOCOM series and the ones that DO do something different have failed i.e. Killzone 3, Brink. Maybe do some research first? Have RPG's changed much at all? Truthfully, not really but they DO one thing successfully...they vary in a diverse way. Compare games like Eve, City of Heroes, WoW. Each has its own flair and caters to its own specific crowd and manages to remain successful. And this coming from a FPS player. I myself do not care for RPG's, but i know plenty of ppl that do.

Again, do your research before you begin spewing poo out of your mouth...

Advanced scout won't save you. Take that up with Jesus, Tim Tebow or Derek Jeter. Lol!

Thank you for your opinion, I know that you guys have invested a lot into dust but you wont have any mercs to pay for if the basic fps gameplay isn't fixed, the gameplay like the shooting is wonky and wont attract the intended audience needed for the game to survive.

I'm going to have to agree with the author of this topic. Eve fans were already ripped about Dust being for the PS3 console and not for the PC, so naturally they would be biased about not getting an fps shooter for the PC.

Is Eve Online a more intelligent game, and are Eve players smarter than Dust 514 players? This statement is totally irrational and is more like a childish emotional response because the Eve fan boy is upset that the game will not be on PC, and Eve Online might seem to have more of a technical nature to it then Dust 514.

However, this would not be the case, in fact, I think Dust 514 is for the smarter player since because you can easily find battles and jump into the action unlike in Eve Online. Ground battles as mercenaries are more exciting, and require as much strategy and innovation, maybe more, as any space battle in Eve. After beta, Dust players are going to have to bring the right balance to the team and you'll have to customize dropsuit fittings to even have a chance against the opposing faction.

Eve Online has tedious submarine style space combat, it takes too much time flying between star systems, you start out as the small guy getting can flipped, then you join a corp and for a moment gain a sense of security only to end up being corp flipped a week later. The whole game was utterly boring and a complete waste of time. I think I'd rather plow a field using a toothpick, thanks.

so in other words you'd like to let console pubbies dumb it down to the point where its like every other fps?

eve players annoying? wait till i can orbital strike your ass

EVe players are dumbing it down because it doesn't play exactly like EVE, and it shouldn't It's a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. Not a space fighter.