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        |  Asno Masamang
 Odd Shadows Inc
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:09:00 -
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 V2 ELECTRON wrote:Also Im more about testing the gameplay not the lore or story behind dust you can keep that on going but the gameplay is horrible.  Can I make a suggestion then? Provide that feedback, explain to us and CCP what changes you want, why you want them, and be prepared to defend that feedback. CCP doesn't give the EVE player's suggestions any more weight than they do for the non-EVE players, but they do give more weight to the pros and cons of each suggestion based on it's merit. So provide the feedback, make the suggestions and above all understand that some people are going to disagree with you, even when you are right.
 
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        |  RolyatDerTeufel
 D3ath D3alers
 RISE of LEGION
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:10:00 -
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 That's such a stupid title ...
 
 Just cause we play EVE doesn't mean we haven't played consules since we were fu*king little.
 
 If you don't play games on anything that has games, you're not a gamer, you're a fanboy.
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        |  V2 ELECTRON
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:11:00 -
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 King Snuggler wrote:V2 ELECTRON wrote:As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo.
 -Only reason i want more players in the beta to test out the game, to help make it better. Have a good story or mechanics don't make this good if someone cant kill someone due to the crap hit detection, they'll be turned off by it and tell their friends not to get it so you'll have that small fanbase but will eventually die out like mag
 Kinda unfair to us.. I played EVE for 7 years.. have recently retired from the game (burn out) I have been here testing (weekend tests access) and so far I like what I have seen. the game has plenty of potential and the fact that I will be able to blow up EVE players starships out of the sky appeals to me a lot, interacting with them is appealing as well, we all want a great game regardless if we played EVE or not , EVE is a special type of game, with plenty of player created content as well as drama :P but in its right without EVE there would be no DUST , were not all that annoying, mostly a lot of EVE players are friendly :D especially when in the EVE radio channel :D. 
 sadly ive only met the annoying ones.
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        |  Myles Aarne
 Amarrican Ground Forces
 I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:21:00 -
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 I <3 the OP's tears. Er, suggestions.
  
 (But I want to see many different types of PS3 players in Beta.
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        |  King Snuggler
 Villore Sec Ops
 Gallente Federation
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:28:00 -
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 V2 ELECTRON wrote:King Snuggler wrote:V2 ELECTRON wrote:As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo.
 -Only reason i want more players in the beta to test out the game, to help make it better. Have a good story or mechanics don't make this good if someone cant kill someone due to the crap hit detection, they'll be turned off by it and tell their friends not to get it so you'll have that small fanbase but will eventually die out like mag
 Kinda unfair to us.. I played EVE for 7 years.. have recently retired from the game (burn out) I have been here testing (weekend tests access) and so far I like what I have seen. the game has plenty of potential and the fact that I will be able to blow up EVE players starships out of the sky appeals to me a lot, interacting with them is appealing as well, we all want a great game regardless if we played EVE or not , EVE is a special type of game, with plenty of player created content as well as drama :P but in its right without EVE there would be no DUST , were not all that annoying, mostly a lot of EVE players are friendly :D especially when in the EVE radio channel :D. sadly ive only met the annoying ones. 
 There are some really annoying players one of them being a prime example is Mittani.....CEO of Goonswarm..
 
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        |  Freyar Tarkin
 Seituoda Taskforce Command
 Caldari State
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:30:00 -
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 Get over the whole "It's being developed for consoles" schtick. This is a multiplatform game, even if Dust in itself is launching on the PS3 first, it still has a significant impact on other platforms.
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        |  Asno Masamang
 Odd Shadows Inc
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:37:00 -
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 Freyar Tarkin wrote:Get over the whole "It's being developed for consoles" schtick. This is a multiplatform game, even if Dust in itself is launching on the PS3 first, it still has a significant impact on other platforms. It does, but Sony and CCP have both stated that Dust is a PS3 exclusive, just like EVE is a PC exclusive. If CCP follows the roadmap I think they are on the next CCP game tied to the EVE universe will be an XBOX exclusive, though it will prolly be the 4th generation XBOX by then.
 
 
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        |  Bonyongo Destroyer
 Bragian Order
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:41:00 -
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 I'm going to have to agree with the author of this topic. Eve fans were already ripped about Dust being for the PS3 console and not for the PC, so naturally they would be biased about not getting an fps shooter for the PC.
 
 Is Eve Online a more intelligent game, and are Eve players smarter than Dust 514 players? This statement is totally irrational and is more like a childish emotional response because the Eve fan boy is upset that the game will not be on PC, and Eve Online might seem to have more of a technical nature to it then Dust 514.
 
 However, this would not be the case, in fact, I think Dust 514 is for the smarter player since because you can easily find battles and jump into the action unlike in Eve Online. Ground battles as mercenaries are more exciting, and require as much strategy and innovation, maybe more, as any space battle in Eve. After beta, Dust players are going to have to bring the right balance to the team and you'll have to customize dropsuit fittings to even have a chance against the opposing faction.
 
 Eve Online has tedious submarine style space combat, it takes too much time flying between star systems, you start out as the small guy getting can flipped, then you join a corp and for a moment gain a sense of security only to end up being corp flipped a week later. The whole game was utterly boring and a complete waste of time. I think I'd rather plow a field using a toothpick, thanks.
 
 
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        |  Myles Aarne
 Amarrican Ground Forces
 I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:45:00 -
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 /me yawns
 Forum PVP should be more exciting than this.
 
 Anyhow, insert your favorite ad hominem attack / buzzword / firestarter here.
 No, wait, use your imagination on where.
  
 Would it now be inappropriate for me to wish that the servers were up?
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        |  JONLUK167
 Crux Special Tasks Group
 Gallente Federation
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:54:00 -
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 V2 ELECTRON wrote:As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo.
 -Only reason i want more players in the beta to test out the game, to help make it better. Have a good story or mechanics don't make this good if someone cant kill someone due to the crap hit detection, they'll be turned off by it and tell their friends not to get it so you'll have that small fanbase but will eventually die out like mag
 
 
 
 RIGHT ON!!!!
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        |  JONLUK167
 Crux Special Tasks Group
 Gallente Federation
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 19:57:00 -
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 Kitt 514 wrote:so in other words you'd like to let console pubbies dumb it down to the point where its like every other fps?
 eve players annoying? wait till i can orbital strike your ass
 
 
 
 
 Stick with EVE thats why there is a big chance this game will burn out quickly because you pc players think your **** dont stink but the money is in CONSOLE GAMES YOU DUMB PUBBIE!!!!
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        |  Milk Supreme
 ZionTCD
 Legacy Rising
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:05:00 -
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 Cripes
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        |  Asno Masamang
 Odd Shadows Inc
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:07:00 -
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 JONLUK167 wrote:Stick with EVE thats why there is a big chance this game will burn out quickly because you pc players think your **** dont stink but the money is in CONSOLE GAMES YOU DUMB PUBBIE!!!! Ummm, let's look at this a bit. EVE has been around for 10 years... The same EVE game... People spend$15 per month on EVE... Every year there is a new FPS of the year and the hard core FPS players migrate to it... It seems to me that you guys are the ones who kill the gamess, we simply make ours better and better, better.
 
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        |  Traynor Youngs
 Royal Uhlans
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:30:00 -
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 Reason why Eve Players should be beta testing this game regardless of their FPS background:
 
 You are about to be making a HUGE impact on a gaming universe that has been populated by US for 9 years.
 
 We have lives in New Eden, and blood and tears. We have fortunes, and we have lost fortunes. We have a STAKE in how DUST works or doesn't.
 
 SO we have something to lose whereas console FPS players who don't play eve have NOTHING to lose.
 
 Your original post is so one sided in its viewpoint its breathtaking. But it is also not hard to imagine why that is. If you don't play eve, you don't know how much eve players have invested in their universe.
 
 I am just glad that CCP know, and are as such very unlikely to listen to people like you in the first place.
 
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        |  Zat Earthshatter
 Osmon Surveillance
 Caldari State
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:36:00 -
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 OP : I sense a troll. Seeing as you've gotten both appetizer and main course already, i'll serve the dessert.
 
 You assume, just because the EVE players play EVE, that they know nothing at all about what makes an FPS good.
 Also, one has to be a raving idiot to not "get" basic mechanics, as they seperate Wolfenstein 3D from modern games.
 You forget that just about every other FPS game has the lifespan of a banana. By its very nature, DUST absolutely has to live longer than that.
 You also seem to forget that DUST and EVE will become one universe. As a result, some EVE players have invested, sometimes literally, on DUST. If the game fails because it died like everybody else, those players might vote with their wallets. That would just be bad business for CCP.
 I've said this before and i'll say this again : CoD players are going to suffer the most beta dropouts as CCP starts adding more complexity. Because CCP games thrive on slow, steady growth, this is actually healthy for DUST.
 
 Lastly, respect the EVE players and their spaceships. They have long memories, longer backstab knives, and bigger guns than most DUST players could ever hope to wield. With this thread, you got one step closer to being on the recieving end of all those things.
 
 Theres your Banana Split. Eat it before the fruit dies
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        |  lycan MUT
 Blazed Nomadz
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:38:00 -
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 Max Trichomes wrote:V2 ELECTRON wrote:As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo. I play Eve, and I have been playing console FPS since Golden Eye 64. Non-Eve players are really annoying IMO. They come in here with dumb ass suggestions and what not, things that do not fit into the world of Eve. Eve players tend to be older, more mature, and more intelligent (probably due to the complexity and learning curve of the game) than most other game's playerbase. It's one of the biggest selling points of Eve for many. Console FPS players tend be on the complete other end of the spectrum. So I would propose that ONLY  Eve players should be allowed in the Beta, for fear the dumb public will try to force their dumb will on what should be a smart game. The only reason the general public's stupidity doesn't scare me that much is that CCP has a pretty good track record of not listening or bending to the dumb masses. 
 
 i play EVE online an im also a hardcore fps fan an i can sit here an say that if this beta was to be tested by nothing but eve players the game wouldnt last on a console at all
 
 The reason i say that is because Dust is a FPS/MMORPG an the reason we need both fan bases are because even though it might not fit into the eve universe you still need to have a certain aspect of a fps into the game an some things just cant be left out but also on the other side of the coin you need certain rpg aspect to give it that feeling of accomplishment so there needs to be both players bases in the game
 
 On another note as i said before im a hardcore fps an somewhat hardcore eve player depends on how i feel really but i love the fact that you have to earn everything because its so close to reality if you die you lose your things/life in real life so why not in a fps also no one is born coming out the wound with the ability to wield an assault rifle an kill mass numbers its a skill slowly learned so i think the skill tree for different things is wonderful the only thing i dont like is the skill point system
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        |  Myles Aarne
 Amarrican Ground Forces
 I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:38:00 -
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 Does OP think that CCP should really exclude a group of likely players from a testing event?
 Probably not.
 
 Does OP think a lot of EVE players will jump to defend EVE if they feel threatened?
 Probably.
 
 Is it Monday and are the servers down?
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 Like I said, it's forum PVP.
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        |  lycan MUT
 Blazed Nomadz
 
 2
 
 
      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:42:00 -
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 Zat Earthshatter wrote:OP : I sense a troll. Seeing as you've gotten both appetizer and main course already, i'll serve the dessert. You assume, just because the EVE players play EVE, that they know nothing at all about what makes an FPS good. Also, one has to be a raving idiot to not "get" basic  mechanics, as they seperate Wolfenstein 3D from modern games. You forget that just about every other FPS game has the lifespan of a banana. By its very nature, DUST absolutely has to live longer than that. You also seem to forget that DUST and EVE will become one universe. As a result, some EVE players have invested, sometimes literally, on DUST. If the game fails because it died like everybody else, those players might vote with their wallets. That would just be bad business for CCP. I've said this before and i'll say this again : CoD players are going to suffer the most beta dropouts as CCP starts adding more complexity. Because CCP games thrive on slow, steady growth, this is actually healthy for DUST. Lastly, respect the EVE players and their spaceships. They have long memories, longer backstab knives, and bigger guns than most DUST players could ever hope to wield. With this thread, you got one step closer to being on the recieving end of all those things. Theres your Banana Split. Eat it before the fruit dies   
 The only people who will truly suffer in Dust 514 in my opion are the COD players Halo Players an Killzone players if you played Mag an somewhat battlefield you will do fine because you had to actually earn things an buy stuff there not just given to you an said here go shoot you.
 
 Dust will lose the COD fanbase because they cant handle it
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        |  Ceerix MKII
 An Eye For An Eye
 AN EYE F0R AN EYE
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:45:00 -
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 The EVE universe has been around for 10 years, Dust is going to effect that over night. Most EVE players input is in a way that will make Dust relevant to that universe. One of the draws to the game is the fact that your actions will matter, and effect other players. The worst thing that could happen to Dust is that there is no input from that side. I doubt CCP will force a free to play game onto EVE if they start losing large amounts of subscribers over it. That and CCP is relying on EVE players to embrace this game by supporting Dust players with orbital strikes and contracts, and expanding with time to more. If that doesn't happen then all you have is the NPC contracts and calling in for orbital strikes that never come because capsuleers fly right by anyone asking for it. Any EVE player that has been around and put input into this game is trying to keep that from happening. If Dust fails the EVE universe wont change. But if Dust does work there will be huge changes and players that have been playing a game that has been around for 10 years will be the ones having to deal with the change.
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        |  Garrett Blacknova
 Codex Troopers
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 20:54:00 -
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 Console gamers (particularly experienced players of shooters - and not only FPS) are needed to make sure the game mechanics appeal to console gamers.
 
 EVE players are needed to make sure the game isn't going to break EVE.
 
 There are people in every beta who probably shouldn't be in it, but it's the developers' job to sort the good feedback from the idiocy. And everyone has a different idea about what they think will work and what won't - I'm always curious how many ideas we hear in a beta that have already been tried and abandoned during alpha testing.
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        |  Tehl Nahvah Ahrotahntee
 Doomheim
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 21:00:00 -
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 Lephis Phoenix wrote:when Dust 514 is coming for PC. 
 CCP's target market for Dust 514 is Console gamers, I hope to god that never changes.
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        |  Lilianna Sentinel
 Bragian Order
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 21:05:00 -
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 Tehl Nahvah Ahrotahntee wrote:Lephis Phoenix wrote:when Dust 514 is coming for PC. CCP's target market for Dust 514 is Console gamers, I hope to god that never changes. 
 It's never going to change, but there's no reason why you can't bring the hardcore nature of EVE Online to console players.
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        |  Needless Sacermendor
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 21:09:00 -
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 It can be boiled down quite simply ... The testing started with eve players only, so they could get feedback on the direction DUST is going to take and get opinions from the dedicated playerbase on the back storys of the factions and their involvement in the planet side of the Eve universe.
 
 Now it has reached the stage of server load testing and weapon balancing and actual mechanics, those Eve players with consoles still have a lot valuable feedback, requests and bug reports to offer and are likely the majority of people on these forums actually providing feedback and not just crying about I don't like this n that should be more like my current favourite game n it's not very good it's going to fail.
 
 CCP needs feedback from the dedicated console FPS community as much as the devoted Eve community to make this game work and be as successful as it so easily can be, but as someone posted earlier in this thread, they need proper feedback about the mechanics of the game, not debates about who should and shouldn't be testing it.
 
 Finally in response to your topic title, the 'majority' of Eve players aren't testing DUST, there are generally around 40,000 players online at any given time in Eve and during the private trials beta there were maybe 500 at best in DUST, it's tricky maths but I call that a minority and certainly not enough to test server loading and get a broad enough spectrum of opinion.
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        |  Beta Phish
 Crux Special Tasks Group
 Gallente Federation
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 21:22:00 -
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 most of the EVE player i run into for Beta, they flat out SUCK at having any kind of Shooter Gun skill & they have no concept of the Objective. so they go and abuse the Vehicles just like they do in EVE.
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        |  Sha Kharn Clone
 Seraphim Initiative.
 CRONOS.
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 21:44:00 -
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 Interesting thread. +1 Op for well executed Troll.
 
 I love how important some people think they are
  
 Well as an eve player whose never played any game on a console let alone an FPS shooter I'm happy to be here with my total lack of skill and insight ruining this game for future generations....sigh
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        |  Kyy Seiska
 Zumari Force Projection
 Caldari State
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 21:56:00 -
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 I see nothing wrong with EVE players helping to test the game, only benefits as they can help when testing the elements that tie Dust 514 to EVE.
 
 
 Beta Phish wrote:most of the EVE player i run into for Beta, they flat out SUCK at having any kind of Shooter Gun skill & they have no concept of the Objective. so they go and abuse the Vehicles just like they do in EVE.  
 Generalization at its finest.
 
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        |  Pokey Dravon
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 22:10:00 -
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 I played MAG and EVE....so should I test or not?
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        |  L1BERT1NE X
 Osmon Surveillance
 Caldari State
 
 26
 
 
      | Posted - 2012.07.02 22:11:00 -
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 I was going to comment on the EVE vs FPS player topic and the value of their relative contibutions toward making this game a success but....nah.
 
 I'm stocking up on beer and popcorn to enjoy witnessing the following inevitable events:
 
 
 
 1. The combination of the EVE Forum community and the FPS forum communities (especially MAG) should result in record breaking amounts of : bans, locked threads, and behavior that Mr. Rogers would not approve of.
 
 2. Once DUST/EVE are fully integrated, epic tear-filled, surprise-non-consensual-public-pillow-biting-catastrophes will occur in-game and be reported on for all to read.
 
 It's going to be brilliant.
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        |  SILENTSAM 69
 Pro Hic Immortalis
 RISE of LEGION
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 22:14:00 -
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 No in about every way possible.
 
 If anything more of us console players should be getting on EVE to learn a thing or two about New Eden and what we are getting into. Doing so will help you a lot and maybe give you a chance to make some ISK for your DUST character ahead of time.
 
 Show the PC fanboys that console gamers can figure out EVE online... Well some of us can.
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        |  Seeker of Cheese
 Villore Sec Ops
 Gallente Federation
 
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      | Posted - 2012.07.02 22:14:00 -
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 V2 ELECTRON wrote:the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans Ok, this is as far as I got, and I pretty much have a good idea what all the responses up to this point are so I'm going to be sincere with you.
 
 The "hardcore" fps players already have every... single... game. Every one of them is made for them. Why can't we have just one? Are you that insecure that people might want to have fun a different way?
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