DUST Search - Why I think the majority of eve players should not beta test Dust 514.

Max Trichomes wrote:

V2 ELECTRON wrote:

As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo.

I play Eve, and I have been playing console FPS since Golden Eye 64. Non-Eve players are really annoying IMO. They come in here with dumb ass suggestions and what not, things that do not fit into the world of Eve. Eve players tend to be older, more mature, and more intelligent (probably due to the complexity and learning curve of the game) than most other game's playerbase. It's one of the biggest selling points of Eve for many. Console FPS players tend be on the complete other end of the spectrum. So I would propose that ONLY Eve players should be allowed in the Beta, for fear the dumb public will try to force their dumb will on what should be a smart game. The only reason the general public's stupidity doesn't scare me that much is that CCP has a pretty good track record of not listening or bending to the dumb masses.

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V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:15:00 - [1] - Quote As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo. -Only reason i want more players in the beta to test out the game, to help make it better. Have a good story or mechanics don't make this good if someone cant kill someone due to the crap hit detection, they'll be turned off by it and tell their friends not to get it so you'll have that small fanbase but will eventually die out like mag
Lephis Phoenix Algintal Core Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:17:00 - [2] - Quote i think its just a matter of time, when Dust 514 is coming for PC. Also, the game is complex but its first of a game for every one for casuals and for the prosgamers.
ZERO AURAZ Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:18:00 - [3] - Quote i agree i also diagree some eve players play fps on console i agree that we need more console fps testers
Kitt 514 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 94	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:25:00 - [4] - Quote so in other words you'd like to let console pubbies dumb it down to the point where its like every other fps? eve players annoying? wait till i can orbital strike your ass
Asno Masamang Odd Shadows Inc 122	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:27:00 - [5] - Quote Greetings, V2 ELECTRON wrote: As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. While I disagree with you, I can understand your point. The thing you need to understand though is that the EVE players are the ones who have paid the bills for this game and will continue to pay the bills when the CoD and Halo crowds have moved on to CoD-2013 Q1 or Halo 25 or Killzone 3000. This game is an extension of our game and as such we have a very vested interest in it being done right. Additionally, we understand the lore behind this game and have helped write that lore over the last 10 years. When this game launches, it will be the money we have earned in EVE that will be used to pay for the Dust mercenaries, so again we have a vested interest in seeing it get done right. Finally, while I am not one, there are plenty of hardcore FPS fans in EVE, but as I have stated in many threads, Dust is not an FPS, it is a MMORPG with a FPS combat system... There are huge differences, and I for one am glad for it.
V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:29:00 - [6] - Quote Kitt 514 wrote: so in other words you'd like to let console pubbies dumb it down to the point where its like every other fps? eve players annoying? wait till i can orbital strike your ass It is a console fps, so it should be tested by players who play console fps, it sounds weird if I said it's a console fps and should be tested by eve players who plays on the pc.
V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:33:00 - [7] - Quote Asno Masamang wrote: Greetings, V2 ELECTRON wrote: As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. While I disagree with you, I can understand your point. The thing you need to understand though is that the EVE players are the ones who have paid the bills for this game and will continue to pay the bills when the CoD and Halo crowds have moved on to CoD-2013 Q1 or Halo 25 or Killzone 3000. This game is an extension of our game and as such we have a very vested interest in it being done right. Additionally, we understand the lore behind this game and have helped write that lore over the last 10 years. When this game launches, it will be the money we have earned in EVE that will be used to pay for the Dust mercenaries, so again we have a vested interest in seeing it get done right. Finally, while I am not one, there are plenty of hardcore FPS fans in EVE, but as I have stated in many threads, Dust is not an FPS, it is a MMORPG with a FPS combat system... There are huge differences, and I for one am glad for it. Thank you for your opinion, I know that you guys have invested a lot into dust but you wont have any mercs to pay for if the basic fps gameplay isn't fixed, the gameplay like the shooting is wonky and wont attract the intended audience needed for the game to survive.
Ray seveN Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:33:00 - [8] - Quote I've noticed that eve players try to enforce the eve aspect of dust while console fps players just say its too complicated and combersome. I'm a console fps person guy and I like the eve part of dust. It gives me something to think about before jumping into battle all willy nilly, my friends think other wise. They dont like that you have to learn skills to opperate anything. They dont like that you lose your weapons and equipment when you die. Most of them just wanna level up and get things automatically. If it were left to them I fear that dust might end up being a very dumbed down version of what the developers want the game to be.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:33:00 - [9] - Quote Given how this is set in the EVE universe and the events of Dust 514 affect EVE Online, it only makes sense to give them some say in what goes on. Economics and politics will play a huge role in this game as well. If anyone knows anything about that, it's EVE Players.
Ricktus Molikroth Air Red Alliance 4	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:34:00 - [10] - Quote why i do agree with you in some respects generalizing isn't the way to go im an avid eve player, im also an avid fps player and a pretty damn good battle field player. Its the people that don't realize that this is a beta and its gonna have balance issues, that are the problem.

Lephis Phoenix Algintal Core Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:35:00 - [11] - Quote In a german gamesite a reviewer said: After he recognize that CCP is exclusive work for Sonys PS3 he tough that no console gamer is interested about doing the "dirty" work for the PC Gamers of Eve Online, after reading this Thread i think he is right. Think again, the game is for console gamer (PS3) but the game is also a part of Eve Online and it should also fix people to get them playing Eve Online, you have to accept that Eve People can help CCP to combine the complexity of Eve with the comfort of a modern console shooter. i Think more opinion does help to make a better game. Less opinion does make a scifi CoD or a ultraslowpaced BF3...
V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:40:00 - [12] - Quote Ray seveN wrote: I've noticed that eve players try to enforce the eve aspect of dust while console fps players just say its too complicated and combersome. I'm a console fps person guy and I like the eve part of dust. It gives me something to think about before jumping into battle all willy nilly, my friends think other wise. They dont like that you have to learn skills to opperate anything. They dont like that you lose your weapons and equipment when you die. Most of them just wanna level up and get things automatically. If it were left to them I fear that dust might end up being a very dumbed down version of what the developers want the game to be. I like dust 514 but im just saying in order for the game to have a decent following you need more fps players possibly players from mag as it's the most similar thing to dust to beta test it.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote I have played eve for something like 8 years. I also play on my ps3 more than is probably healthy. 1314 psn trophies right now. (Yay epeen) Most people who play dust and are also eve players probably have similar stories (Even if they do not mirror my excessive gaming habits) though there are a few who apparently bought a Ps3 just for dust and well... I'll stop there. That said, It's a very silly thing to suggest. No matter how you put it, Dust is an extension to Eve. Whatever happens in dust correlates to eve, and that very much makes dust an eve player's business. Saying "XXX should not beta test because they don't know what they are talking about" Could just as easily apply to 90% of people on the internet. You're not pissed at eve fanboys, you're pissed at fanboys in general. And this is very understandable. But, if we could exclude people from the beta as easily as you seem to want... the beta would be very empty and not very fun :(
Max Trichomes Quantum Kittens Syndicate 68	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:43:00 - [14] - Quote V2 ELECTRON wrote: As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sht at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo. I play Eve, and I have been playing console FPS since Golden Eye 64. Non-Eve players are really annoying IMO. They come in here with dumb ass suggestions and what not, things that do not fit into the world of Eve. Eve players tend to be older, more mature, and more intelligent (probably due to the complexity and learning curve of the game) than most other game's playerbase. It's one of the biggest selling points of Eve for many. Console FPS players tend be on the complete other end of the spectrum. So I would propose that ONLY* Eve players should be allowed in the Beta, for fear the dumb public will try to force their dumb will on what should be a smart game. The only reason the general public's stupidity doesn't scare me that much is that CCP has a pretty good track record of not listening or bending to the dumb masses.
Asno Masamang Odd Shadows Inc 122	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:44:00 - [15] - Quote V2 ELECTRON wrote: the gameplay like the shooting is wonky and wont attract the intended audience needed for the game to survive. Not to be difficult, but I would suggest that you guys focus on that then. Now me, I am an opinionated old coot and I know what I want and what I like and I am going to tell you, but unless it goes against my own observations / experiences I tend to defer to you guys on the specific gun mechanics...
Ryuyoshi Hanaya Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:44:00 - [16] - Quote this may just be me and me being stupid but i really don't see a difference between a console fps and a pc fps if its the same game just different controls and just because eve players play on pc doesn't mean they don't play console fps either thats just a premade assumption on your part.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:50:00 - [17] - Quote Definitely disagree I don't want dust to turn to a cod clone , where 3 shots your dead
V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:50:00 - [18] - Quote Max Trichomes wrote: V2 ELECTRON wrote: As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sht at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo. I play Eve, and I have been playing console FPS since Golden Eye 64. Non-Eve players are really annoying IMO. They come in here with dumb ass suggestions and what not, things that do not fit into the world of Eve. Eve players tend to be older, more mature, and more intelligent (probably due to the complexity and learning curve of the game) than most other game's playerbase. It's one of the biggest selling points of Eve for many. Console FPS players tend be on the complete other end of the spectrum. So I would propose that ONLY* Eve players should be allowed in the Beta, for fear the dumb public will try to force their dumb will on what should be a smart game. The only reason the general public's stupidity doesn't scare me that much is that CCP has a pretty good track record of not listening or bending to the dumb masses. lol fanboy.
V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:52:00 - [19] - Quote Now if the game dies it's not my fault (hopefully im proven wrong,)
Aiden Angel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:52:00 - [20] - Quote I definitely agree with a lot of people who posted above me. The Eve players have just as much say in this as anyone else. To be honest, a lot of them seem very intelligent and I think they are the ones who will help to make this game fantastic. Dust is going to directly impact Eve and Eve is going to directly impact Dust. It's only natural that the hardcore Eve players would want to test the beta and give feedback. I've also seen tons of fantastic feedback from those who play Eve and their feedback has been a lot more intelligent and helpful then some that i've seen from your typical CoD and BF fans(not saying intelligent people don't play these games because BF is awesome). Some of these "console FPS gamers" can't even type a proper paragraph let alone a sentence. =/ I admit that I am a console gamer and have played very few games on the PC. I only have a basic laptop and can't run a lot of games. But even though i'm a console gamer, I want Dust to be more than just your typical FPS game. I love the depth and customization that Dust offers/will offer, and I can't wait to see what it's going to be like when it's finished. I don't want it to play just like CoD, BF, Halo, Killzone, etc. Dust is Dust. It's not any of those games. This is a true beta. It's not like most betas that are put out a month before the game is released where only a few things need tweaked. I don't think a lot of people understand that. Yes, this game has a lot that it needs to be fixed and there's still a lot that isn't even added into the game. I know that our feedback is being read/listened to and being taken into consideration. I am confident that Dust will play much smoother when fully released, and if everything goes right, Dust will be unlike any other FPS. I'm sure they'll also include plenty of tutorials to properly explain everything. Everyone, especially the Eve players, has a right to play the beta and post their feedback. Also, just because someone plays Eve or PC games, doesn't mean that they don't play FPS or console games.

Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:54:00 - [21] - Quote V2 ELECTRON wrote: Now if the game dies it's not my fault (hopefully im proven wrong,) So you want a cod type game?
RoBoJerk 41	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:55:00 - [22] - Quote IMO they should've distributed beta keys to all the MAG players. It wasn't a fps like CoD or Halo, just like dust 514 isn't a fps like those games.
Asno Masamang Odd Shadows Inc 122	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:55:00 - [23] - Quote Ryuyoshi Hanaya wrote: this may just be me and me being stupid but i really don't see a difference between a console fps and a pc fps I think you are not understand what EVE is. EVE is not an FPS, instead it is a space based strategic MMORPG. We fly space ships and mine asteroids, build construction installations on planets, conquer solar systems, build ships capable of destroying planets. We travel through the void between the constellations. Dust is an extension of our game down from space to the planet surface where we build our installations... I should point out, but those planetary installations that EVE players build are where the Dust mercenaries are going to be fighting and conquering. Every time a Dust mercenary joins a battle, it will be costing EVE players money and labor at a minimum.
V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:56:00 - [24] - Quote Also Im more about testing the gameplay not the lore or story behind dust you can keep that on going but the gameplay is horrible.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:01:00 - [25] - Quote V2 ELECTRON wrote: Also Im more about testing the gameplay not the lore or story behind dust you can keep that on going but the gameplay is horrible. i really don't want to throw this card at you but ' it's just a beta' they have a lot to do to improve gameplay in the beta and even at relase , CCP will support this game for years just like they support eve Edit: release"
V2 ELECTRON Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:01:00 - [26] - Quote RoBoJerk wrote: IMO they should've distributed beta keys to all the MAG players. It wasn't a fps like CoD or Halo, just like dust 514 isn't a fps like those games. This^
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:04:00 - [27] - Quote To be rather honest, some of the EVE populace ARE egomaniacs. And on these forums, they are the extremely "conservative" people (the ones who seem to think the game is just fine the way it is, any changes and it will become a COD clone, and that can be very annoying), But the guys I know from EVE are all fair and level-headed, and just want whats good for the game. some more... passionately than others. I played EVE before I played DUST, but I also play console FPS games (almost exclusively, as far as FPS games are concerned). I think EVE players have just as much say in all this as we do. no more, no less. In fact, how this game turns out is a pretty big deal to EVE players. Not because x gun is so OP, or because you can/can't sprint while reloading, or spawn camp. No, their motive is far more "big picture". I don't know if all you guys know this or not yet, but DUST has the potential to actually turn the tides for some alliances in EVE, and exchange hands of power. It's a far more level playing field, where numbers don't matter quite as much as skill and gear. In EVE, numbers matter a lot. So some of the bigger alliances in EVE might be able to hold their own in EVE, but in DUST, they might falter, and thus other EVE corps/alliances may gain ground, and funds through contracting DUST players. but this all seems far off, but it is the ultimate goal of the EVE players (or most of them anyway) to make DUST actually MATTER in the EVE universe. and that, I think, is a lofty, but admirable, and ultimately fruitful goal.
Lephis Phoenix Algintal Core Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:06:00 - [28] - Quote Eve Player are for the "more EVE" in Dust.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:07:00 - [29] - Quote I havent even played eve, I play cod ,bf3, gears of war 3 and mass effect, out of all those games cod is the worst, and from playing planet side for a little bit and I loved it , I want dust to be sort of similar to what planet side 2 will be but not a clone
King Snuggler Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:08:00 - [30] - Quote V2 ELECTRON wrote: As stated in the title, the reason why I think they shouldn't is because most of them aren't hardcore console fps fans, they are most likely people who play eve and/or play fps on the pc. If the game is a console fps it should be tested by console fps players from battlefield, halo, mag. and etc, not eve players. Also i could just be a dumb bastard who doesn't know sh*t at all but eve fanboys are really annoying imo. -Only reason i want more players in the beta to test out the game, to help make it better. Have a good story or mechanics don't make this good if someone cant kill someone due to the crap hit detection, they'll be turned off by it and tell their friends not to get it so you'll have that small fanbase but will eventually die out like mag Kinda unfair to us.. I played EVE for 7 years.. have recently retired from the game (burn out) I have been here testing (weekend tests access) and so far I like what I have seen. the game has plenty of potential and the fact that I will be able to blow up EVE players starships out of the sky appeals to me a lot, interacting with them is appealing as well, we all want a great game regardless if we played EVE or not , EVE is a special type of game, with plenty of player created content as well as drama :P but in its right without EVE there would be no DUST , were not all that annoying, mostly a lot of EVE players are friendly :D especially when in the EVE radio channel :D.



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