DUST Search - Love the game! But please change the 'suicide terminology'

Deskalkulos Ildigan wrote:

well if you look at it from this side:

You are wounded on the battlefield, immobilized. You could wait to be treated by a medic, ooooooor you could kill yourself. Why should "kill yourself" not be called "suicide"?

As said more than once before, if your kids have reached a certain age, they should have the integrity to actually diverse between fiction and reality. If however they do not have reached an age where they are fully "mentally" developed (meaning they have an understanding what it means to die, and to kill, and what the differences between games and reality are), then it would be the wisest choice to not let them get in contact with said sort of games.

I would even say, that using the word suicide is a good way to show the harshness of what you are doing. I DO believe that saying: "Nah he doesn't kill himself, he respawns" would be more of a threat for your children than saying outright: "He killed himself" as i think your way would play down death. But then again, if you want to show your kids this game, you have to have a proper discussion with them beforehand and check if they are able to distinguish.

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Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.02 00:01:00 - [61] - Quote Templar Two wrote: I propose to change "Suicide" into "Transmit conscience". So.. you want someone else to feel bad about the terrible things you've done?
Ghural Bear 15	Posted - 2012.07.02 00:06:00 - [62] - Quote I think the word should be changed back to 'respawn', mainly because a friend who was watching me play thought that I had killed myself, rather than been killed by another player. It's a little confusing.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.02 00:13:00 - [63] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Buzzwords wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Or better yet, read Templar One, and have them read it. was that legitimately GOOD or just one of those companion books you'd only ever read if you were a rabid fan of whatever? No one should play dust without having read Templar One, and the other books are fantastic also. sorry to hijack the thread here but, i'm lookin in the kindle store and i see 3. templar one, empyrean age, and burning life. should i be reading them in any order? one of the reviews for templar one mention it being a sequel? is that just some idiot CALLING it that or are they strongly connected? i'd hate to not know what's goin' on. The order is Burning Life, Empyrean Age, Templar One. Burning Life is about little people in the EVE universe and how they deal with immortal capsuleers (ie players) Empyrean Age is about the Empires and the big conflict that was happening a few years ago (lots of cool explosions) Templar One is about the creation of the immortal soldiers we play as in Dust, and their first engagement. They arent really direct sequels, but they do occasionally reference events from the other books. (as well as referencing real events that have occurred online in Eve. @ EVERYONE ELSE If the suicide message is changed, I will state over comms every time I commit suicide that I am commiting suicide in protest against derp changes made for no good reason.
Kitt 514 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 94	Posted - 2012.07.02 00:18:00 - [64] - Quote as has been said, it used to say "respawn" I think a lot of people don't realize that they can be revived, so they just mash circle.
L1BERT1NE X Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.07.02 00:19:00 - [65] - Quote "Good examples, but the whole suicide effect loses its artistic function when occurs so frequently ( to me at least) while playing the game. 'Transferring consciousness' would so much cooler for a sci-fi game." Ahhh, well if we're talking about the game again... Than I will say that I don't think the use of suicide in this game was meant to serve any particular artistic function -I think it was a way to avoid the bleed out timer. I think they needed a word or two to show on the screen with the icon of the "O" button. I think they chose a word that, by definition, and in context of the game...fits. I also don't think suicide in this game was meant to be a main feature or receive as much attention as we have given it. I certainly don't see them listing it as a big "plus" to sell more copies. It's just a game mechanic similar to many other FPS's. Not to put all the responsibility on the consumer who voluntarily chooses to play this game, but one could always choose to let their pixel-person"expire naturally" rather than press the angst-inducing "O".
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.02 00:33:00 - [66] - Quote OP, I'll tell you what I tell everyone else that has a terrible experience and wants everyone else to conform around their personal mental scars. Despite what you may think, you have not yet healed - Seek professional help.
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.02 01:22:00 - [67] - Quote I'd just like to make a quick point "Pegi 18" Hard to miss it at the beginning of the game. As for the problems concerned with children, even though they're not allowed to play, the biggest problems with games like these is that they invoke violence in children. If anything should be take out, it should be the violence and the shooting.... Good luck with that
TheForerunner Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.07.02 01:36:00 - [68] - Quote I understand where you are coming from. Its not that we arent adults that cant handle seeing the words, or letting our children seem them even, its more of the subconscious effect of such. to a certain point, its almost the same as someone who was raped, hearing people say the word **** all of the time. Its not like they are saying a word that is unacceptable, its just that it bring forth bad thoughts or memories, much like someone who has or is contemplating suicide, seeing the word a thousand times might trigger unwanted thoughts. Idk just a thought. and like another person said... its less like suicide, and more like "Press O for Rebirth...."
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.02 03:23:00 - [69] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: OP, I'll tell you what I tell everyone else that has a terrible experience and wants everyone else to conform around their personal mental scars. Despite what you may think, you have not yet healed - Seek professional help. Ha! You are so wrong on every account, but I'm sure at this point in your life you're already accustomed to this truth. I just think there is a better/more creative solution.
Eirik DenRoue 22	Posted - 2012.07.02 03:25:00 - [70] - Quote Nope. Keep it! It allows players to realize they could be saved, but are instead taking the easy way out.

riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.02 03:30:00 - [71] - Quote Zach Shanna wrote: I'd just like to make a quick point "Pegi 18" Hard to miss it at the beginning of the game.t It more clearly states the game is T for teen (and not M for Mature) here in the USA.
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.02 03:45:00 - [72] - Quote riven exigeIt wrote: more clearly states the game is T for teen (and not M for Mature) here in the USA. Even a teenager isnt impressionable enough to be affected in any way by the phrasing of a single non-essential aspect of a game and i really dont think you should be worried about it
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.02 07:54:00 - [73] - Quote I just want to reiterate that I love this game so far and look forward to even greater things in the future.
Fuma Centuri Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2012.07.02 08:09:00 - [74] - Quote The whole reason this is called "Suicide" and not "Respawn" is because respawn sounds like you NEED to press it in order to continue. In actuality, you can be revived on the battlefield after being down to 0, that's why it is suicide to prematurely kill your clone before giving your team a chance to revive you. Unfortunately, the skills to revive you need a lot of skillpoints to unlock, so nobody uses that anyway. I like the "Terminate Clone" idea. Though why is it bad to say "suicide" in a game about murdering others? Just look at the background image of the forums. THERE'S A FOUNTAIN OF BLOOD and you feel uneasy with suicide :P
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.07.02 08:11:00 - [75] - Quote Should change to reactivate
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.02 10:43:00 - [76] - Quote riven exige wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: OP, I'll tell you what I tell everyone else that has a terrible experience and wants everyone else to conform around their personal mental scars. Despite what you may think, you have not yet healed - Seek professional help. Ha! You are so wrong on every account, but I'm sure at this point in your life you're already accustomed to this truth. I just think there is a better/more creative solution. Yeah, he's off base with this. Now, the typical "I can't raise my children properly, and damn well don't want to talk to them, so you have to do it for me" attitude on the other hand... That one's pretty clear.
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.02 16:27:00 - [77] - Quote I'm the one who plays the game, not my kids at this point. I actually think my wife and I do a very good job raising our kids and I'm one of the few dads who actually wantsto beta test/play a game to have fun and share their opinions while it's still in the creative process. I'm not one to complain about something after it's made and whatever CCP finally does on the subject I accept it, I'm just glad I had an opportunity to share my 2 cents with those doing all the labor to create this awesome game.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.07.02 16:55:00 - [78] - Quote Deskalkulos Ildigan wrote: well if you look at it from this side: You are wounded on the battlefield, immobilized. You could wait to be treated by a medic, ooooooor you could kill yourself. Why should "kill yourself" not be called "suicide"? As said more than once before, if your kids have reached a certain age, they should have the integrity to actually diverse between fiction and reality. If however they do not have reached an age where they are fully "mentally" developed (meaning they have an understanding what it means to die, and to kill, and what the differences between games and reality are), then it would be the wisest choice to not let them get in contact with said sort of games. I would even say, that using the word suicide is a good way to show the harshness of what you are doing. I DO believe that saying: "Nah he doesn't kill himself, he respawns" would be more of a threat for your children than saying outright: "He killed himself" as i think your way would play down death. But then again, if you want to show your kids this game, you have to have a proper discussion with them beforehand and check if they are able to distinguish. If playing a game where you commit suicide as an IMMORTAL clone leads them to contemplate following in their mercenaries footsteps, I think you got bigger problems, like Deskalkulos said. If anything, sit down and talk with them about the differentiating games and real life, and compartmentalizing them. You cannot do things you do in games in real life.
JB-FTW Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.02 17:29:00 - [79] - Quote to i dont really care what it says becuase the second u die everyone spams O too fast to even read it, but i would've liked something more creative pertaining to the whole"immortality" thing, shouldve been like, "TRANSFER MEMORIES"
Lephis Phoenix Algintal Core Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.07.02 17:35:00 - [80] - Quote The Game is not for kids. Its about killing (virtual) people.

Tus'sken Beebop 11	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:42:00 - [81] - Quote Heres an idea, stop your instant suicides so I can revive you with my Nanite Injectors, as I'm not carrying them for my own health although I wish that were the case (reviving myself) as nobody cares to revive their downed teammates.
Lephis Phoenix Algintal Core Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:50:00 - [82] - Quote Tus'sken Beebop wrote: Heres an idea, stop your instant suicides so I can revive you with my Nanite Injectors, as I'm not carrying them for my own health although I wish that were the case (reviving myself) as nobody cares to revive their downed teammates. Best post ever.
Kahlmin Tiarnan Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2012.07.02 18:59:00 - [83] - Quote Primus Core wrote: It used to saw "respawn". Not sure why they bothered to change it to "suicide". Because respawn just so boring.
RoBoJerk 41	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:35:00 - [84] - Quote I realize that some people have some strong feelings associated with suicide, but really? The request has been made, I'm sure by now CCP has taken note and has plans to address the issue, can we let this thread slide off the first page please?
King Snuggler Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:48:00 - [85] - Quote Codename BG 47 wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: OP prob has teenagers give the dude a brake. I don't mind having kids. I have 1 and second on the way...but it is not a reason to change biggest universe war game to pony ridding pink fagots (if somebody is homo, I didn't to offense them). I just want to point that life is not beautiful all the time... You made my day
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.02 20:33:00 - [86] - Quote I say change it to "Biomass" Thats what Eve players call it anyway.
Ricktus Molikroth Air Red Alliance 4	Posted - 2012.07.02 20:35:00 - [87] - Quote Terminate Clone, would work


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