DUST Search - Love the game! But please change the 'suicide terminology'

Codename BG 47 wrote:

riven exige wrote:

As a long time gamer and father of two boys I'm I little concerned with the need to press O for 'suicide' nearly every time I die in the game (which so far is alot). While I understand this is 'T' game and not 'M' (in which I'm very thankful) I just wished you super creative guys could create a better term for 'suicide' because for some reason if this game I just feel uneasy with it.

You know where the doors are Big smile

you can always open them and go back to little big planet Smile

this is war....you have infinite number of bodies...so why not to kill yourself. If you want to teach your kids how to kill buy them a real gun...why in game...and if you would pay attention to this lady saying crap, you would hear:

"Remember that suicide in public area is strictly prohibited"

CCP plz take the mercenary pack from PSN or just don't give this people access to forum...but on the other hand it's not fair couse lot of pro gamers came here :) and my ratio dropped down :D but THIS...please...Daddy go and buy candy for your sons, play ball, go on a family bike, don't waist their life...show them new MOD to call of duty called REAL LIFE...in store since 1 000 000+ years.

I will say it again. This is WAR! You KILL! You DIE! SHOOT! EXPLODE! **** BURN EAT BABYS....no llttle bit to far...sorry...So you want to make it kids friendly? ok:

SUICIDE = HUG THE OTHER GUY AND GO THOU THE RAINBOW OF LOVE AND HAPPINESS
KILL/DEATH RATIO = HAPPY/BUBU FACES RATIO
WEAPON = LOLLIPOP OF HAPPINESS

THIS IS F****ING WAR PEOPLE!!!!!!!! NOT PLAYGROUND!!!!!

And it was always SUICIDE. Cheers Cool

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Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:14:00 - [31] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Or better yet, read Templar One, and have them read it. was that legitimately GOOD or just one of those companion books you'd only ever read if you were a rabid fan of whatever? No one should play dust without having read Templar One, and the other books are fantastic also.
Kincate Algintal Core Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:18:00 - [32] - Quote +1 to OP, its a small thing really but Terminate clone sounds so much cooler anyways. Since Suicide means the intentional act of causing ones own death, and you cant die, I would say Terminate Clone fits more appropriatley anyways.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:19:00 - [33] - Quote Primus Core wrote: It used to saw "respawn". Not sure why they bothered to change it to "suicide". Respawn seems a bit of an immersion breaker, so suicide honestly makes more sense as a prompt.
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:38:00 - [34] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Buzzwords wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Or better yet, read Templar One, and have them read it. was that legitimately GOOD or just one of those companion books you'd only ever read if you were a rabid fan of whatever? No one should play dust without having read Templar One, and the other books are fantastic also. Just to throw into this stack, the only one of the books I've read is Templar One, and I couldn't put it down. Very good book, and really helps pass the time between beta weekends.
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:42:00 - [35] - Quote Most of you all make excellent points that do make rational sense in the game environment where Dust514 exists. When you become a parent you become more sensitive to somethings (just being an irrational dad I guess) but in our world teens don't have a problem fighting a giant clone battle on many planets throughout the galaxy, but we do face a real problem of teen suicide. "We become what we behold. We shape our tools and then our tools shape us."- Marshall Mcluhan
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:48:00 - [36] - Quote I propose to change "Suicide" into "Transmit conscience". In the "Immortal Soldiers" trailer clearly transpires that this is how immortality works in Dust 514. It's not FPS familiar terminology like "Respawn" to "Bleedout" so it coudl confuse players at first but hell it's perfect.
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:53:00 - [37] - Quote Templar Two wrote: I propose change the "Suicide" into "Transmit conscience". Int eh "immortal Soldiers" trailer clearly transpires that this is how immortality works in Dust 514. I second that proposal.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:58:00 - [38] - Quote riven exige wrote: As a long time gamer and father of two boys I'm I little concerned with the need to press O for 'suicide' nearly every time I die in the game (which so far is alot). While I understand this is 'T' game and not 'M' (in which I'm very thankful) I just wished you super creative guys could create a better term for 'suicide' because for some reason in this game I just feel uneasy with it. It makes it so you know your not really dead and dont HAVE to respawn, I honestly love it instead of what they had last build. don't change it, if a teenager can't realize that the guy would have to suicide himself to go to his next clone, someone had beating the creativity out of them. It's a sci-fi universe where once you die you are transfered to the next clone in your reserves. If someone isn't killing you when your down, who's got to do it? Yourself.
Tempus Paradoxium Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:58:00 - [39] - Quote riven exige wrote: Most of you all make excellent points that do make rational sense in the game environment where Dust514 exists. When you become a parent you become more sensitive to somethings (just being an irrational dad I guess) but in our world teens don't have a problem fighting a giant clone battle on many planets throughout the galaxy, but we do face a real problem of teen suicide. A prompt in a game should never cause someone to kill themselves, or do anything out of their own will. If that were the case, then they have their own deep rooted personal issues that should be taken care of, however that's unrelated to the game specifically. If a prompt in a game could cause such a reaction, then they could also have the same reaction from any number of other mediums. If that is indeed the case, then once again it's not up to the world to bubble wrap itself because of your kid. It's the parents job to guide their children and if necessary, control their access to certain media. That's the whole purpose of parental controls and ratings on media. If they are deemed too young to play a game, they cannot buy it themselves. Even if they do somehow get the game, you still have parental controls to block access to that game from the console. You have all the necessary tools at your disposal, it's up to you, not CCP. If you don't agree with how CCP built their game, or feel your children can not handle playing it, then don't let them play it. I have never considered suicide over a game, and I never will. I should clarify that I have no attachment to the term 'suicide', and could care less if it was called anything else. I don't support censorship due to lack of parenting however; it's a slippery slope.
Zero Harpuia Maverick Conflict Solutions 422	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:08:00 - [40] - Quote You could just wait for me or one of the other Logi bros... we never get to use our injectors because of the twitch-to-O reaction most people have developed :L

Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:14:00 - [41] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Buzzwords wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Or better yet, read Templar One, and have them read it. was that legitimately GOOD or just one of those companion books you'd only ever read if you were a rabid fan of whatever? No one should play dust without having read Templar One, and the other books are fantastic also. sorry to hijack the thread here but, i'm lookin in the kindle store and i see 3. templar one, empyrean age, and burning life. should i be reading them in any order? one of the reviews for templar one mention it being a sequel? is that just some idiot CALLING it that or are they strongly connected? i'd hate to not know what's goin' on.
ETEREX Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:18:00 - [42] - Quote Personally, I don't mind either way, BUT what IS strange is that CCP seems to nerf any name in EVE Online that has the word 'suicide' in it. I had a habit of naming ships like 'Suicide Run' and 'Try Suicide' because I'm twisted and liked trying to run impossible transport missions through 0 sectors to see how far I could get. Anyway, normally after a day or two, the ship names would be reset back to the default without any warning or explanation. So the fact that it's an actual ability in Dust is kinda amusing to me. I think a term like 'Release / Terminate Clone' would make more sense, but, as some have pointed out, that would dimish the overall meaning of the sacrifice you are about to make and then it's just like any other CoD respawn and then who cares. I think the point is to make you stop and think about what you just did to get killed and was it ultimately worth sacrificing yourself over? If so, then YES, gloriously kill yourself off, if NO, then maybe that bad taste in your mouth will make you think twice about wasting your clone and gear again. I think if you have a teen with issues the best thing to do is just not let them play instead of ruining the game's immersion for the rest of the mature player base.
Auriel Aedean Gunslingers Corporation. GmbH 20	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:22:00 - [43] - Quote I'm sorry about your offence, but in all honesty, suicide happens. In the military. In real life. I'd say keep it the way it is, because people will find offence in nearly everything these days, but, perhaps a suitable substitute could be "Bleed Out". I don't care either way, Edit: The above post..I think "Terminate Clone" is PERFECT!
DanSun Clone Tgrad Mercs 3	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:25:00 - [44] - Quote Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Terminate Clone. The obvious choice. +1
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:28:00 - [45] - Quote I never said I feel this way to soley protect my kids, but actually the way the game makes me feel personally when I have to hit the suicide button so frequently while playing (kind of a downer). Games should always be fun, even if you are playing a game within a dystopian corporate controlled universe. Being a parent has only made me more sensitive to this type of stuff than I use to. Again, you all make very valid points. "We become what we behold. We shape our tools and then our tools shape us."- Marshall McLuhan
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:34:00 - [46] - Quote Was this post made in opposite day? You are not dead yet, so the term suicide is proper. You are still waiting for a medic at that point. If anything I am glad they cal it suicide now to clue you into the fact you are not dead yet. You can wait for a medic to revive you or commit suicide. Changing it to Suicide was a great idea. Do not change it.
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 16:57:00 - [47] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Was this post made in opposite day? Well, we are playing a game within the universe that uses the utopian term 'eve' yet it's a dystopian world run by greedy corporations in which you never truly die. Sounds more like hades than its name might suggest .
Bob Deorum 15	Posted - 2012.07.01 17:38:00 - [48] - Quote Primus Core wrote: It used to saw "respawn". Not sure why they bothered to change it to "suicide". respawn does not fit the lore, to be honest I kinda like the terminology of transfer consciousness.
3PieceSuit Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.07.01 17:44:00 - [49] - Quote It's 'Suicide' on purpose to invoke a hesitation before pressing it. really, before you respawn you should be considering first the option to have a teammate revive you. This is not seen often now, due to the lack of team versus team battles, but once corporations are implemented, good logi players will be the backbone of a successful merc corp. If it was reverted to 'respawn' people will just rapidly press it, not thinking that there was another option.
Tempus Paradoxium Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.07.01 18:10:00 - [50] - Quote Bob Deorum wrote: Primus Core wrote: It used to saw "respawn". Not sure why they bothered to change it to "suicide". respawn does not fit the lore, to be honest I kinda like the terminology of transfer consciousness. I kind of like the sound of that actually. Though 'Force transfer of consciousness' would make more sense, since presumably it automatically happens once you bleed out anyway. It would also make the announcement while waiting for a a game to start which reminds everyone that 'suicide in public areas of the ship is prohibited' seem even more nonchalant, which is kind of funny. Go with whatever is thematically correct for the EVE universe though. Is killing oneself referred to as suicide?

Tyr Odinsson Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.07.01 18:15:00 - [51] - Quote I think it's a great concern for a good father dude. It's cool to see that some care for what's important :) Keep it up man It's just a little request that would make us more confortable :)
Dauss Vrau Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.07.01 18:21:00 - [52] - Quote riven exige wrote: As a long time gamer and father of two boys I'm I little concerned with the need to press O for 'suicide' nearly every time I die in the game (which so far is alot). While I understand this is 'T' game and not 'M' (in which I'm very thankful) I just wished you super creative guys could create a better term for 'suicide' because for some reason in this game I just feel uneasy with it. I agree! Change the terminology from "suicide" to "pass over"!
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.07.01 18:40:00 - [53] - Quote riven exige wrote: Most of you all make excellent points that do make rational sense in the game environment where Dust514 exists. When you become a parent you become more sensitive to somethings (just being an irrational dad I guess) but in our world teens don't have a problem fighting a giant clone battle on many planets throughout the galaxy, but we do face a real problem of teen suicide. "We become what we behold. We shape our tools and then our tools shape us."- Marshall Mcluhan I am a father of 2 another on the way, I can understand a certain ammount of what you say , but kids arn't as fragile and simple as you may think. I find if you explain things to them honestly and open as in dust being just a game that they will take it in there stride. As for the suicide thing I can take it or leave it, it's not even as if it's in ginormous letters all across the screen.
L1BERT1NE X Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:08:00 - [54] - Quote Suicide is a word with a specific definition. If you look it up you will not find that it is meant to imply shame, cowardice, guilt -or honor, for that matter. Though obviously you will find a lot of connotations in the commentary. But let's be clear, any feelings that are aroused in you by that word 'suicide' are being generated by you. You are bringing your own discomfort to the table. It is interesting, given all the other potentially abhorent behavior and backstory in this game and the EVE universe, that this one item makes you squirm. Given the nature of the immortals, and the definition of suicide, it seems to me that it is an appropriate term. I have no problem with it. I also would have no problem if it were changed to 'terminate clone' as suggested by someone else in this post. Humans have a long history of sanitizing language so that we don't actually have to think about what it is we're discussing. But, lets be clear...we're still talking about suicide, albeit an impermanent internet-cartoon-clone-avatar-suicide. Which, by the way, should make all the difference to you. I would agree with you if, by pressing O to bleed out (yes, I chose that alternative on purpose), you were presented with an animation of your clone sticking the barrel of his weapon to his face and splattering the wall behind him with little bits of brain and implants. That, however, is not what you are presented with. As an aside -you yourself noted the dystopian nature of EVE and (more pertinent) New Eden ( "Well, we are playing a game within the universe that uses the utopian term 'eve' yet it's a dystopian world run by greedy corporations in which you never truly die. Sounds more like hades than its name might suggest") Refresh my memory....how'd that whole Eden thing work out? -Perhaps the name is more apt than you think. Seems like a great opportunity to have an open conversation with your kids, or yourself.
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:13:00 - [55] - Quote Some terminology actually pulls you out of the games amazing fictional universe because it reminds you too much of our own world. Having to frequently commit suicide just reminds me too much of a problem here on earth with the age group in which this game is targeting. Great fiction serves as a method to provide insight into our world without all the cultural artifacts (and terminology) that most of us already have strong opinions about. It's a fine line to what words and images pull you into a fictional work and which ones pull you out, and knowing the difference is what separates great works of art from merely good ones.
Debo Galaxy Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:39:00 - [56] - Quote Parenting is the parents job not CCP's. My parents didn't want me watching the playboy channel, so they didn't buy it for me. Plus the term suicide offends but , all the other killing, lying, stealing, etc. is ok. I would be more concerned on what my kids could find in a google search then a term that eventually becomes hit O to keep playing in your head.
Ares Webber Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:43:00 - [57] - Quote DanSun Clone wrote: Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Terminate Clone. The obvious choice. +1 Like that one too.
L1BERT1NE X Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:51:00 - [58] - Quote riven exige wrote: Some terminology actually pulls you out of the games amazing fictional universe because it reminds you too much of our own world. Having to frequently commit suicide just reminds me too much of a problem here on earth with the age group in which this game is targeting. Great fiction serves as a method to provide insight into our world without all the cultural artifacts (and terminology) that most of us already have strong opinions about. It's a fine line to what words and images pull you into a fictional work and which ones pull you out, and knowing the difference is what separates great works of art from merely good ones. hmmmm: 1. Funny, putting in 'respawn' or something of the kind would remind me of the game and pull me out of the games amazing fictional universe. 2. Good thing the warfare and conflict don't remind you too much about the real world. That would really ruin the game for you. 3. re: your opinion on "what separates great works of art from merely good ones" and your criteria which appear to contain a disproportionate consideration of suicide. This is a shame, as it appears to put some "merely good" works outside of purvue. Things like: Hamlet Madame Bovary Anna Karenina Les Miserables The Awakening (though I have to admit this one did actually make me feel depressed) Romeo and Juliet X-men -The Dark Phoenix Saga (Oh, yes I did...) to name a few of the obvious examples. If only they had not dealt with suicide...they could have been great works.
Los Silencio D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:34:00 - [59] - Quote Codename BG 47 wrote: riven exige wrote: As a long time gamer and father of two boys I'm I little concerned with the need to press O for 'suicide' nearly every time I die in the game (which so far is alot). While I understand this is 'T' game and not 'M' (in which I'm very thankful) I just wished you super creative guys could create a better term for 'suicide' because for some reason if this game I just feel uneasy with it. You know where the doors are you can always open them and go back to little big planet this is war....you have infinite number of bodies...so why not to kill yourself. If you want to teach your kids how to kill buy them a real gun...why in game...and if you would pay attention to this lady saying crap, you would hear: "Remember that suicide in public area is strictly prohibited" CCP plz take the mercenary pack from PSN or just don't give this people access to forum...but on the other hand it's not fair couse lot of pro gamers came here :) and my ratio dropped down :D but THIS...please...Daddy go and buy candy for your sons, play ball, go on a family bike, don't waist their life...show them new MOD to call of duty called REAL LIFE...in store since 1 000 000+ years. I will say it again. This is WAR! You KILL! You DIE! SHOOT! EXPLODE! ** BURN EAT BABYS....no llttle bit to far...sorry...So you want to make it kids friendly? ok: SUICIDE = HUG THE OTHER GUY AND GO THOU THE RAINBOW OF LOVE AND HAPPINESS KILL/DEATH RATIO = HAPPY/BUBU FACES RATIO WEAPON = LOLLIPOP OF HAPPINESS THIS IS F**ING WAR PEOPLE!!!!!!!! NOT PLAYGROUND!!!!! And it was always SUICIDE. Cheers You must be a kid and have next to no military experience. I know this. Real soldiers don't brag about war and those that do have issues, especially in the way that you have, lacing you responses with obscenities and ignorant rambling. That in itself tells me you, my friend, are a child and completely oblivious to war in general. The only war you've seen is on your couch in front of a tv. It is true that the world isn't a safe place or nice either. I, unlike the ignorance above me, have given the government 8 years of service in the military. To keep it short and sweet, if someone has a genuine problem with a word usage in a game, it is ok to voice concern. Now, with that said, if your kids are younger than the recommended age, maybe not play until they are away or asleep. Online interactions are not rated and anything that you feel will be detrimental to them need not to be entertained. I personally like the term "terminate clone" as well.
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 22:45:00 - [60] - Quote L1BERT1NE X wrote: 3. re: your opinion on "what separates great works of art from merely good ones" and your criteria which appear to contain a disproportionate consideration of suicide. This is a shame, as it appears to put some "merely good" works outside of purvue. Things like: Hamlet Madame Bovary Anna Karenina Les Miserables The Awakening (though I have to admit this one did actually make me feel depressed) Romeo and Juliet X-men -The Dark Phoenix Saga (Oh, yes I did...) to name a few of the obvious examples. If only they had not dealt with suicide...they could have been great works. Good examples, but the whole suicide effect loses its artistic function when occurs so frequently ( to me at least) while playing the game. 'Transferring consciousness' would so much cooler for a sci-fi game.



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