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riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 07:27:00 - [1] - Quote As a long time gamer and father of two boys I'm I little concerned with the need to press O for 'suicide' nearly every time I die in the game (which so far is alot). While I understand this is 'T' game and not 'M' (in which I'm very thankful) I just wished you super creative guys could create a better term for 'suicide' because for some reason in this game I just feel uneasy with it.
Loss Tovas ZionTCD Legacy Rising 236	Posted - 2012.07.01 07:31:00 - [2] - Quote Yet oddly you are completely ok with killing for profit...
riven exige Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.07.01 07:37:00 - [3] - Quote Loss Tovas wrote: Yet oddly you are completely ok with killing for profit... I know, it's a strange request to ask to change the terminology without wanting to alter it's function in the game.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.07.01 07:41:00 - [4] - Quote In the context of immortality through clones, you don't really die, at least not for long, so suicide in this game is very different then it is in real life, and doesn't hold the same dark meaning. If your sons understand this, I don't think there will be a problem. Reading the word suicide won't lead to them... doing things they shouldn't. Like the person above said, you're killing people for money anyway. I guess CCP could just change the wording to "bleed out" or "die" instead. I see no reason to keep a wording that for some reason offends someone when there are equally effective ways to phrase it.
Primus Core Brimstone Tactical Covert Intervention 22	Posted - 2012.07.01 07:43:00 - [5] - Quote It used to saw "respawn". Not sure why they bothered to change it to "suicide".
Loss Tovas ZionTCD Legacy Rising 236	Posted - 2012.07.01 07:43:00 - [6] - Quote I don't think that is strange at all... I think it is strange that you take issue with this particular word in regards to your children when the game itself is centered around killing for profit. IMO, acting out murder for hire would worry me more than choosing the quick way out after being gutted by rocket fire or a well placed blast from an assault rifle, but that's just me.
Montforce Tyrannus Algintal Core Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.07.01 08:05:00 - [7] - Quote I feel the same about it not feeling strange as well, it's there so that if there's no teammates to revive you then u kill your current body and jump right back into a clone. This also increases the focus of actually caring about the body u take into battle since in the later stages your fittings become expensive to replace as each body you loose costs u. The term suicide is used because in the universe of eve it only means to lose your body and have your mind jump to a clone, also this has been used in alot of fps games such as Battlefield. As I said when your character progression is later down the line and your fittings are expensive, it makes you not want to give up your body so easilly and thats also the same in EVE. Depending on how old your boys are, I was suggest keeping them away from the EVE universe entirely as in a nutshell, its not that their playing an online MMOFPS, but rather being a part of a massive war simulator, being contracted by other corporations and alliances to invade and kill on other planets. Dust 514 is solely there to be there as a merc, you can't play diplomatic or industrialised because your just an expensive merc with only one purpose, to defend and or attack against the enemies of your corporation. Up to you but I feel it might not be suitable for your boys.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.07.01 10:05:00 - [8] - Quote That's the point of FPS, to desensitize your children to the horrors of war when they get drafted for WWIII honestly.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.07.01 10:07:00 - [9] - Quote I kid. I know it's a minor detail, but I do think "suicide" is a bit ambiguous in gameplay compared to "respawn", so it's just more practical in my opinion.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.07.01 10:08:00 - [10] - Quote Well, I change my mind. That is the point of FPS honestly.

Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.07.01 10:09:00 - [11] - Quote No, nevermind... I was kidding, sorry, please don't spy on me, government, mmmkay.
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 115	Posted - 2012.07.01 11:18:00 - [12] - Quote well if you look at it from this side: You are wounded on the battlefield, immobilized. You could wait to be treated by a medic, ooooooor you could kill yourself. Why should "kill yourself" not be called "suicide"? As said more than once before, if your kids have reached a certain age, they should have the integrity to actually diverse between fiction and reality. If however they do not have reached an age where they are fully "mentally" developed (meaning they have an understanding what it means to die, and to kill, and what the differences between games and reality are), then it would be the wisest choice to not let them get in contact with said sort of games. I would even say, that using the word suicide is a good way to show the harshness of what you are doing. I DO believe that saying: "Nah he doesn't kill himself, he respawns" would be more of a threat for your children than saying outright: "He killed himself" as i think your way would play down death. But then again, if you want to show your kids this game, you have to have a proper discussion with them beforehand and check if they are able to distinguish.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.01 11:45:00 - [13] - Quote OP prob has teenagers give the dude a brake.
Codename BG 47 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 47	Posted - 2012.07.01 11:48:00 - [14] - Quote riven exige wrote: As a long time gamer and father of two boys I'm I little concerned with the need to press O for 'suicide' nearly every time I die in the game (which so far is alot). While I understand this is 'T' game and not 'M' (in which I'm very thankful) I just wished you super creative guys could create a better term for 'suicide' because for some reason if this game I just feel uneasy with it. You know where the doors are you can always open them and go back to little big planet this is war....you have infinite number of bodies...so why not to kill yourself. If you want to teach your kids how to kill buy them a real gun...why in game...and if you would pay attention to this lady saying crap, you would hear: "Remember that suicide in public area is strictly prohibited" CCP plz take the mercenary pack from PSN or just don't give this people access to forum...but on the other hand it's not fair couse lot of pro gamers came here :) and my ratio dropped down :D but THIS...please...Daddy go and buy candy for your sons, play ball, go on a family bike, don't waist their life...show them new MOD to call of duty called REAL LIFE...in store since 1 000 000+ years. I will say it again. This is WAR! You KILL! You DIE! SHOOT! EXPLODE! ** BURN EAT BABYS....no llttle bit to far...sorry...So you want to make it kids friendly? ok: SUICIDE = HUG THE OTHER GUY AND GO THOU THE RAINBOW OF LOVE AND HAPPINESS KILL/DEATH RATIO = HAPPY/BUBU FACES RATIO WEAPON = LOLLIPOP OF HAPPINESS THIS IS F**ING WAR PEOPLE!!!!!!!! NOT PLAYGROUND!!!!! And it was always SUICIDE. Cheers
Codename BG 47 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 47	Posted - 2012.07.01 11:53:00 - [15] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: OP prob has teenagers give the dude a brake. I don't mind having kids. I have 1 and second on the way...but it is not a reason to change biggest universe war game to pony ridding pink fagots (if somebody is homo, I didn't to offense them). I just want to point that life is not beautiful all the time...
Nick Phantom Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2012.07.01 12:16:00 - [16] - Quote There are parental controls on your PS3 use them. If I had kids 14 and under they would NOT be playing this game. In fact my little bro (8) is coming over to play some video games. Guess whats not on the play list Dust514. He's going to be stuck on Spiderman 3 and maybe a couple other games i have that aren't FPS games. What you do as a parent is your own business though so do what you have to do buddy. Eve is a harsh game and thus Dust will be to. I'd be a little more worried about what your kids would learn from some of the online players. Nothing against anyone here but lets face it conversations can get a little interesting to say the least.
Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.01 12:18:00 - [17] - Quote Terminate Clone. The obvious choice.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.01 12:32:00 - [18] - Quote Killing yourself on purpose = suicide. Instead of being scared of your kids learning about bad words why don't you teach them about life and ALL its conditions.
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.01 12:35:00 - [19] - Quote Yeah, gotta chime in with the common sense crowd here. You're lying there bleeding to death. The moment you die you get happily shuffled off into a fresh clone. The only way to speed up that process is to kill yourself. Killing yourself is called suicide. Lying there and having "Press 0 to do Happy Bunny Dance" wouldn't make any sense.
Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.01 12:38:00 - [20] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Killing yourself on purpose = suicide. Instead of being scared of your kids learning about bad words why don't you teach them about life and ALL its conditions. These clones are more akin to property, though. You aren't really killing yourself, it's more like if you had an "SHUT-OFF" button on a RC car so you don't ruin the engine if it flips.

Codename BG 47 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 47	Posted - 2012.07.01 12:51:00 - [21] - Quote And the easiest way to "shot down body" is putting scrambler pistol to you head to start "Bunny Dance". I like these Cheese
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.01 13:03:00 - [22] - Quote Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Killing yourself on purpose = suicide. Instead of being scared of your kids learning about bad words why don't you teach them about life and ALL its conditions. These clones are more akin to property, though. You aren't really killing yourself, it's more like if you had an "SHUT-OFF" button on a RC car so you don't ruin the engine if it flips. If you want to quibble about the exact nature of human consciousness transfer then do it in a conversation with your kids about whats going on in the game, don't demand that everyone else be made to put up with needless pedantry and censorship. If anyone is so borderline that being killed in this game and presented with a Suicide (o) option 'drives' them to suicide then they already have more problems than any amount of censorship can help.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.01 13:04:00 - [23] - Quote Or better yet, read Templar One, and have them read it.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.01 13:30:00 - [24] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Or better yet, read Templar One, and have them read it. was that legitimately GOOD or just one of those companion books you'd only ever read if you were a rabid fan of whatever? cuz i'm reading game of thrones right now and i get the sensation i'm gonna catch up before the guy finishes the last 2 books... wouldn't mind something for the meantime. also op, if killing people in the game doesn't turn them into killers, suiciding in the game prolly won't turn them into suiciders. but there is of course, no reason you couldn't simply explain the premise of the game to them. point out that that's not how real life works (though frankly that might be insulting to there intelligence) i remember my father watching me play, like... red faction or goldeneye or something ( i dunno... long time), and posing the question "you know that's not how real life is right? you can't shoot your friend 50 times and he's ok?" my 13 y/o brain didn't have the words to articulate how offended i was by the very notion that i might NOT understand that... but hey, teenagers hate their parents anyway so what have you got to lose?
Tempus Paradoxium Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.07.01 14:00:00 - [25] - Quote I don't know why you would be concerned with your kids doing anything in a fictional environment, assuming they meet the minimum age requirements and/or you've properly taught them the differences between fantasy and reality and other such regular things. There's no reason to censor anything. If you don't think they're ready to play this game, then don't let them play it. Simple as that. You are the parent, not CCP. The PS3 has parental controls if you feel the need to use them.
Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.01 14:09:00 - [26] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Killing yourself on purpose = suicide. Instead of being scared of your kids learning about bad words why don't you teach them about life and ALL its conditions. These clones are more akin to property, though. You aren't really killing yourself, it's more like if you had an "SHUT-OFF" button on a RC car so you don't ruin the engine if it flips. If you want to quibble about the exact nature of human consciousness transfer then do it in a conversation with your kids about whats going on in the game, don't demand that everyone else be made to put up with needless pedantry and censorship. If anyone is so borderline that being killed in this game and presented with a Suicide (o) option 'drives' them to suicide then they already have more problems than any amount of censorship can help. These clones are Corporate property. You fight for your corporation, or you are disposed of. It's the New Eden way.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.01 14:11:00 - [27] - Quote It's a sensitive subject for many so how hard can be it change the term to "Bleed out" or something?
Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.07.01 14:49:00 - [28] - Quote Yeah, change it to something like "Release", not a problem to me but i can see the point.
Aiden Angel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:08:00 - [29] - Quote I can understand that this might make you feel uneasy if you have children, but if they're under 14 then they shouldn't be playing this game. I'd personally prefer if people who played shooters were 17+ but there are people in the age group of 14-17 who are mature enough to play these games online while understanding the terminology, differences between real life and games, etc. I see nothing wrong with it being called suicide. Most games that allow you to kill yourself call it suicide. I don't have any problems with it being changed to:Respawn, die, bleed out, etc. I just don't think it's needed to change it. I also have to agree with many other people here. Regardless of the terminology, you're still killing people for money. Like others have also said, if you're worried about what your children might think if they saw the game, just try explaining to them the difference between video games and real life. I have played video games since a young and age and my parents have never had to explain to me the differences between games and real life. But I also started watching horror movies at a young age (no, my parents didn't particularly let me, I just have always liked scary movies). Then again, i've always been a bit more mature and understood things fairly easy. I find that a lot of things like:If you shoot someone they won't come back to life, you can't smash cars into people on the road, stabbing people is not ok, war is not like a shooter, etc, are just common sense, even at a young age. A young child might not understand that though so the best thing to do is to just explain these things to your children. If you're super worried just don't play the game around them or don't let them play it. There are parental controls if you need them.
Awiergan Snowcash Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.07.01 15:11:00 - [30] - Quote As a long-time Eve player, I find the concept of suicide to be incredibly important to the overall lore. Afterall, it's a primary means of long-distance transportation in the EVE universe. It's a concept that should make you uncomfortable, as the universe is supposed to have a corporate dystopian feel in which the value of money has exceeded that of the human life. As a software developer myself, I feel that sometimes the interactions in videogames can be part of the artistry. Ultimately, the developer is trying to communicate an idea in the same way that a writer or director would. Sometimes these ideas aren't comfortable, but removing them is disrespectful the designer. It's like banning a book or censoring a painting. If you feel uncomfortable with it, then the game is doing its job. I'd be disappointed if they changed that.



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