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Eirik DenRoue
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Posted - 2012.06.30 22:52:00 -
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Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system.
Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear).
I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction.
I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun.
"The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters." |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.06.30 22:58:00 -
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tbh if you spend all your aur on a constant use of suits and equipement then yea. but thats stupid. you bring in your aur equipment at the right moment. use standard isk equipment most of the time. aur will allow you to save isk. or have an edge at the right moment
or better still most sensible players buy aur for skill boosters.
best way to put it is AUR is designed to be a pay to grind less then a pay to win. |
Renzo Kuken
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
369
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Posted - 2012.06.30 22:58:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system. Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear). I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction. I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun. "The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters."
well...if ya dont like losing your aurum gear then you can do 2 things
1. dont buy it 2. dont use it
besides you get it all back when the game gets wiped
this is a perfect way to keep the game f2p but not p2w since ya lose it on death it keeps it fair to the people that cant throw money towards CCP as often as they would like
and also if the game follows its mother EVE you should be able to buy Aurum on the market with ISK since its ok to sell PLEX on the market in eve...and plex is bought with good ol simoleons (money)
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Daxos Cavaletto
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
74
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:00:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system. Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear). I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction. I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun. "The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters."
All I heard was "blah blah blah I want all the good stuff now without having to earn skill points"
AUR = dust time
Nothing more nothing less. If you dont have the skills to use a gun that requires a certain skill level that is acheived by play TIME aka skill points. If you don't have enoug skill points then you are welcome to purchase AUR and buy its equal. That is of course until you have reached your desired skill level so you can buy the gun you want with isk.
how hard of a concept is this to understand.
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Auriel Aedean
Gunslingers Corporation. GmbH
20
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:06:00 -
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Honestly, I'll be using the beta to my own experiment with AUR, and as previous posts have said, bring in your AUR equipment at the right moment. Don't constantly use it.
Better to test your tactics out now than the final release when you will be gambling with real money.
Also, SP boosters do help.. :)
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Eirik DenRoue
22
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:07:00 -
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The concept isn't that I don't want to pay. I don't mind paying. It's how I'm paying
The concept is that CCP may do much better if they change the pricing system. This isn't game play feedback, it's business.
This isn't a post for complaining and forum tolling, it's market feedback for CCP. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:10:00 -
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My good chum Daxos speaks truth.
Paying 2$ for a BPO would defeat the purpose of Aurum. The idea is CCP gets sustained income. This isn't greed, this is how they will pay their dev staff and server costs, to give all of the players free expansions for 10 years into the future. If everyone got all the aurum stuff as BPO for maybe say... 200$ That doesn't really help CCP in the long run. They have a 10 year plan for this game. Aurum will help see them through it. I've personally had something like 15k aurum, and it takes me at least a month to blow through it all every time I buy 5k worth, and that is with a lot of plain simple messing around with full aurum fits for the lulz of it. For people who buy aur just to use a rifle or two, maybe just a dropsuit to look pretty, it will last them MUCH longer unless they die a lot. In which case, they should probably not use a lot of aurum stuff if they are worried about losing it.
Some of the aurum item prices could stand to be looked at, but that's an issue for another thread. I'm in the process of making a list of what things are good where they are and what could be reduced or raised, from the perspective of someone who's been in the beta for months now :) I won't hijack your thread for this.
Also, I'll say hello to beers. |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:14:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:The concept isn't that I don't want to pay. I don't mind paying. It's how I'm paying
The concept is that CCP may do much better if they change the pricing system. This isn't game play feedback, it's business.
This isn't a post for complaining and forum tolling, it's market feedback for CCP.
point is your complaint is you feel your being ripped by ccp and the aur system. when were telling you its not the aur system is how your using it. |
Eirik DenRoue
22
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:19:00 -
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I am all about CCP making their money. That's why I started this thread. I am trying to let CCP know what many other players out their think about the game's AUR system.
Obviously there are a few fans, and die hard players that really don't mind playing an arcade game. That's fine if those few players are CCP's target. However; I don't think those few are who CCP is trying to target with this game.
The mass FPS player market wants to pay $60 for a game during a moment of weakness, and play it non-stop every weekend for the next several months, during periods of brain shut down.
You make these guys feel guilty about playing your game... they will pick up the next CoD with out a second thought. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:42:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:I am all about CCP making their money. That's why I started this thread. I am trying to let CCP know what many other players out their think about the game's AUR system.
Obviously there are a few fans, and die hard players that really don't mind playing an arcade game. That's fine if those few players are CCP's target. However; I don't think those few are who CCP is trying to target with this game.
The mass FPS player market wants to pay $60 for a game during a moment of weakness, and play it non-stop every weekend for the next several months, during periods of brain shut down.
You make these guys feel guilty about playing your game... they will pick up the next CoD with out a second thought.
So basically, AUR needs to be explained to new players better so they don't make the false assumptions that you are talking about?
This game is free, and you will be able to download it "during a moment of weakness and play it non-stop every weekend for the next several months." AUR is entirely optional. |
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Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:45:00 -
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even if i didnt know dust, even if i didnt know dust.
if i was a new player with a f2p game with an aur system, how much commen sense would it take to spend 5 mins on a forum and look into how to spend my real money. |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:57:00 -
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Daxos Cavaletto wrote:AUR = dust time Exactly. Ever hear the phrase "time is money"? |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
112
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:13:00 -
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If you're dying so much while using Aur items that it's becoming a problem, you should just stop. Seriously, just use militia gear (or the standard gear, which is pretty cheap and effective) till you're no longer the bullet magnet people seem to see you as. |
Kieth Leola
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:16:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:I am all about CCP making their money. That's why I started this thread. I am trying to let CCP know what many other players out their think about the game's AUR system.
Obviously there are a few fans, and die hard players that really don't mind playing an arcade game. That's fine if those few players are CCP's target. However; I don't think those few are who CCP is trying to target with this game.
The mass FPS player market wants to pay $60 for a game during a moment of weakness, and play it non-stop every weekend for the next several months, during periods of brain shut down.
You make these guys feel guilty about playing your game... they will pick up the next CoD with out a second thought.
The mass F2P gamer doesn't buy premium currency items as they download the game. Generally the paid items are bought after a certain amount of time is dedicated to the game. In fact, generally only about 10% of all players on the average F2P game actually spend money on it, so I wouldn't be too worried about the average player here.
Also, keep in mind that you can unlock stuff with equivalent stats by playing a little. If anything get a booster to unlock them faster. That way you won't have to worry about paying real money for the actual guns. It seems just like others have said. You're not happy with a system that doesn't work the way you'd like it to. Just don't spend your money on Aurum items anymore if you don't like it. |
Matthias Blackclover
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:24:00 -
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I have purchased AUR as a thank you to CCP for what they are trying to do with this game. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:34:00 -
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Etero Narciss wrote:If you're dying so much while using Aur items that it's becoming a problem, you should just stop. Seriously, just use militia gear (or the standard gear, which is pretty cheap and effective) till you're no longer the bullet magnet people seem to see you as.
when i see a guy in a shiny aurum dropsuit, he becomes target number one <.<
also op, nobody is forcing you to buy it AT ALL. and most aurum gear is statistically identical to something else. all they do is save you training requirements, or fitting requirements. with fitting requirements really just being an extension of training requirements when you consider a lot of skills reduce module or weapons cpu or pg need, and electronics/engineering skills themselves.
personally i buy aurum items 3-5 at a time. it's a good way to "preview" gear and see if i wanna train in that direction. if you're so reliant on fulltiming it.. i mean... **** HOW can you even be so reliant on fulltiming it? wtf are you spending your skillpoints on? |
Nick Phantom
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:43:00 -
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Purchased Aurum to support CCP as well.
I don't have a problem with the AURUM system. I don't want people to be able to constantly have that little bit better gun just because they have more money than I do to spend on a game. CCP realizes this so it's made where it's not exactly feasible or likely that people will only use AURUM fits all the time.
Man up and take the skill points you have and up your skills so you can use the ISK equivalent of a AUR bought item. Then you can switch back and forth all you want.
Also if they make AURUM BPO's available they won't be roughly $2.00 your looking at more like $20 just look at that merc pack they have out in the PSN store.(also i hope they don't) |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:50:00 -
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I can't justify spending RMT on anything subjected to player-inflicted loss. |
Matthias Blackclover
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:06:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:I can't justify spending RMT on anything subjected to player-inflicted loss. I will use my AUR on skill boosters and trial runs through suits or weapons. The thing that motivated me the most to spend money is the fact that this is F2P. I spent money on MW3 at launch and have already spent more time with this and have had a ton more fun in the process. I think of buying AUR like throwing a couple bucks in a tip jar so to speak for CCP. |
Daxos Cavaletto
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
74
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:13:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:My good chum Daxos speaks truth.
Paying 2$ for a BPO would defeat the purpose of Aurum. The idea is CCP gets sustained income. This isn't greed, this is how they will pay their dev staff and server costs, to give all of the players free expansions for 10 years into the future. If everyone got all the aurum stuff as BPO for maybe say... 200$ That doesn't really help CCP in the long run. They have a 10 year plan for this game. Aurum will help see them through it. I've personally had something like 15k aurum, and it takes me at least a month to blow through it all every time I buy 5k worth, and that is with a lot of plain simple messing around with full aurum fits for the lulz of it. For people who buy aur just to use a rifle or two, maybe just a dropsuit to look pretty, it will last them MUCH longer unless they die a lot. In which case, they should probably not use a lot of aurum stuff if they are worried about losing it.
Some of the aurum item prices could stand to be looked at, but that's an issue for another thread. I'm in the process of making a list of what things are good where they are and what could be reduced or raised, from the perspective of someone who's been in the beta for months now :) I won't hijack your thread for this.
Also, I'll say hello to beers.
Drat! There goes my billionaire, playboy, philanthropist alter ego toon.
I buy aurum and will continue to do so to support ccp. I have used many of the items and I can't see much of a differnce except in being able to put more into a drop suit. In time my skills should let me just use isk based equipment.
Look forward to your list Nova (no that wasn't me shooting you from the top of the towers) |
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Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:14:00 -
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The way I look at it, I used to play COD several years ago before I just got bored of the sameness of it. So, being used to that sales format you're looking at $60 for the game, and probably 3 map packs for around $15 a pop for a total of $105 for a game that is as deep as a wading pool.
If I'm happier with dust, shouldn't they get my $105 at the very least over the course of a year?
Seriously, this moaning over having to pay anything, I guarantee most of you complaining the loudest have happily shelled out that much for a standard game if not more several times already and were happy to do it. It just makes absolutely no sense to complain about being able to do it $5 at a time now. |
Fariic Amuinn
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:15:00 -
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In EVE you can buy a plex on the market and turn it into aur. You don't have to spend any money.
Dust will be connected directly to the EVE market. You should be able to spend isk on plex for aur just like in EVE.
You don't really have a valid complaint, and as others have said, your idea defeats the entire point of aur.
Not to mention, aur items aren't better then isk items. You may be able to use a T2 equivalent gun sooner then a little later, but who cares. People are killing other people with militia weapons. |
Kitt 514
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.07.01 03:20:00 -
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Think of it this way: this is an F2P game. This is also a game made by ccp.
Years ago, when mmo's first started out, people thought paying a subscription fee for a game was dumb. "I already bought the game! Why do I have to keep paying?"
Look at eve. Its a completely different game than when it came out 9 years ago. People have definately gotten their money's worth out of it. The 15$/mo is nothing when you consider what eve really is, and where its going. 9 years and showing NO sign of slowing down? Yeah, thats not "9 years and well, we hope it'll be around for another year or two." thats "9 years, and who knows how long we can keep going"
Dust is the same way. CCP is not a greedy company at all. Infact, they are honestly one of the best companies I can think of in the industry. Look at major franchises like COD or BF2. They release a game. Then a year later release the same thing with new products and ask for another $60.
If CCP treats dust the way that they've treated EVE, you can pretty much put down the notion that they're being greedy. They've carefully looked at how they can make a shooter feasable, and other than a subscription fee like eve (a huge turn off for console players), there's really no other way to do it.
CCP needs a constant revenue stream in order to do what they want to do with it, and take it to where it needs to go. Buying a BPO would defeat that purpose. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.07.01 03:47:00 -
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Fariic Amuinn wrote:In EVE you can buy a plex on the market and turn it into aur. You don't have to spend any money.
Dust will be connected directly to the EVE market. You should be able to spend isk on plex for aur just like in EVE.
You don't really have a valid complaint, and as others have said, your idea defeats the entire point of aur.
Not to mention, aur items aren't better then isk items. You may be able to use a T2 equivalent gun sooner then a little later, but who cares. People are killing other people with militia weapons.
1049 kills, 2.49 kdr, currently ranked 41 on kill boards, one of the first 50 to make it to 1k+ kills, ALL in militia gear, i know a couple proto suit wearing muppets who i make a point to chase down when they start running cause they cant afford to keep losing 4-5 suits a match...
ive spent over $2k paying for my eve accounts,(2x 5 years + 1x 3 years), and absolutely love that game, if CCP can do what i hope they can with DUST 514, these graphics, this content, that so many FPS heros whine about while theyve farmed up proto suits in a single weekend, can and will eventually change. EVE 5 years ago looked NOTHING like what it does now, and theyre still improving it, making everything that much sexier.
in short, this isnt COD where you get the same game repackaged with 1 or 2 modifications for $60, this game is likely going to be perpetually growing, expanding, and upgrading. no $60 box with a disc to get the next map unlocked, or the next weapon set. so i cant see aurum as any form of bad.
*side rant* infinite quantities of prototype gear would be a terrible idea, even at $20 a piece, itd be what $100-140 to buy a full INFINITE AUR proto set that would completely defeat the purpose of isk proto gear. and yes, i would pay that price to have that OP advantage, cause it would defeat the purpose of killing me since i wouldnt be losing anything
*edit* after thought ISK > AUR conversion wont be likely to happen untill they make the EVE-DUST link live, because PLEX are still real money given to CCP and then sold for ISK, by players for players |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.07.01 03:59:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote: 1049 kills, 2.49 kdr, currently ranked 41 on kill boards, one of the first 50 to make it to 1k+ kills, ALL in militia gear, i know a couple proto suit wearing muppets who i make a point to chase down when they start running cause they cant afford to keep losing 4-5 suits a match...
and i killed you tonight in a logistics suit... awwww yeah <.<
lol, sorry. i don't mean to be a ****, not tryin to brag, i know i'm not hot **** or anything, but your name is superking bignuts and it made me giggle. so the kill sticks out in my mind. |
Brutal Sage
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 04:15:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:The concept isn't that I don't want to pay. I don't mind paying. It's how I'm paying
The concept is that CCP may do much better if they change the pricing system. This isn't game play feedback, it's business.
This isn't a post for complaining and forum tolling, it's market feedback for CCP.
I agree, as much as I hate the idea of paying time for a weapon, even that would be better than paying per life/use. I would love if they had to where you could buy something with AUR, and used ISK to keep it stocked. Or maybe some sort of ISK to AUR exchange rate to be able to trade your ISK into AUR so your not always paying for them.
Simply put, I think there needs to be a different system when using the AUR. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.07.01 04:23:00 -
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Brutal Sage wrote:Eirik DenRoue wrote:The concept isn't that I don't want to pay. I don't mind paying. It's how I'm paying
The concept is that CCP may do much better if they change the pricing system. This isn't game play feedback, it's business.
This isn't a post for complaining and forum tolling, it's market feedback for CCP. I agree, as much as I hate the idea of paying time for a weapon, even that would be better than paying per life/use. I would love if they had to where you could buy something with AUR, and used ISK to keep it stocked. Or maybe some sort of ISK to AUR exchange rate to be able to trade your ISK into AUR so your not always paying for them. Simply put, I think there needs to be a different system when using the AUR.
well, in eve, anything that can be purchased with aurum, could then be sold for isk. since you can buy aurum with real money, but not isk.
so somebody with more money than freetime could buy aurum. buy stuff with aurum... then sell that aurum stuff to other players for isk.
this means players can buy aurum stuff with isk in eve.
but dust does not have the full market system, YET. but once it does this should be a non issue. it'll just work itself out. aurum stuff will cost a LOT of isk i'm sure, but you'll be able to get it.. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.07.01 04:37:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote: 1049 kills, 2.49 kdr, currently ranked 41 on kill boards, one of the first 50 to make it to 1k+ kills, ALL in militia gear, i know a couple proto suit wearing muppets who i make a point to chase down when they start running cause they cant afford to keep losing 4-5 suits a match...
and i killed you tonight in a logistics suit... awwww yeah <.< lol, sorry. i don't mean to be a ****, not tryin to brag, i know i'm not hot **** or anything, but your name is superking bignuts and it made me giggle. so the kill sticks out in my mind.
jerk! im going to cry myself to sleep later because of you!!! *sniffles*
on topic, NOVELTY clothing can be bought with aurum... you cant buy anything but clothing for your character which only displays(currently) as a portrait and possibly(for those who bother to investigate) in the viewer utility(clicking the portrait/picture of an item)
Aurum is acquired by trading in plexes. which, can be bought with either RL cash, OR in game ISK(bought from a player who paid RL cash for it at one point in time).
every time you see a cargohold full of plex go up in smoke on the kill boards, all 'destroyed' plex = money CCP no longer needs to provide a service for. money changed hands at one point for them to come into existence, its how players 'buy isk' in game, its how people 'pay to play' with in game currency.
once the open market comes around(hopefully soon *fingers crossed*) then im sure folks with real cash will start selling AUR or AUR gear for isk, someone somewhere will. same concept as in EVE plexes. and im sure they will be competitively priced with equivilant items... eventually... |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.07.01 06:24:00 -
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OP seems like he needs to learn to die alot less thats all nothing wrong with AUR like someone said its a pay to grind less not a pay to win , if u are dying alot then u probably shouldnt be runnin all AUR gear constantly anyway
besides ISK > AUR |
Shinigami6 Test
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.07.01 07:40:00 -
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So, all I read is that a player is complaining because having the best gear all the time is too expensive for him. guess what, im glad this system is the way it is. you are relying too much on your gear and not enough on your talent.
the way it is setup, the game makes it so that you buy those items with real money and you can use them OCCASIONALLY not all the time. try playing on equal and fair ground every now and then |
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