Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system.

Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear).

I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction.

I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun.

"The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters."

Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system.

Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear).

I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction.

I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun.

"The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters."

The concept isn't that I don't want to pay. I don't mind paying. It's how I'm paying

The concept is that CCP may do much better if they change the pricing system. This isn't game play feedback, it's business.

This isn't a post for complaining and forum tolling, it's market feedback for CCP.

I am all about CCP making their money. That's why I started this thread. I am trying to let CCP know what many other players out their think about the game's AUR system.

Obviously there are a few fans, and die hard players that really don't mind playing an arcade game. That's fine if those few players are CCP's target. However; I don't think those few are who CCP is trying to target with this game.

The mass FPS player market wants to pay $60 for a game during a moment of weakness, and play it non-stop every weekend for the next several months, during periods of brain shut down.

You make these guys feel guilty about playing your game... they will pick up the next CoD with out a second thought.

AUR = dust time

I am all about CCP making their money. That's why I started this thread. I am trying to let CCP know what many other players out their think about the game's AUR system.

Obviously there are a few fans, and die hard players that really don't mind playing an arcade game. That's fine if those few players are CCP's target. However; I don't think those few are who CCP is trying to target with this game.

The mass FPS player market wants to pay $60 for a game during a moment of weakness, and play it non-stop every weekend for the next several months, during periods of brain shut down.

You make these guys feel guilty about playing your game... they will pick up the next CoD with out a second thought.

If you're dying so much while using Aur items that it's becoming a problem, you should just stop. Seriously, just use militia gear (or the standard gear, which is pretty cheap and effective) till you're no longer the bullet magnet people seem to see you as.

I can't justify spending RMT on anything subjected to player-inflicted loss.

My good chum Daxos speaks truth.

Paying 2$ for a BPO would defeat the purpose of Aurum. The idea is CCP gets sustained income. This isn't greed, this is how they will pay their dev staff and server costs, to give all of the players free expansions for 10 years into the future. If everyone got all the aurum stuff as BPO for maybe say... 200$ That doesn't really help CCP in the long run. They have a 10 year plan for this game. Aurum will help see them through it. I've personally had something like 15k aurum, and it takes me at least a month to blow through it all every time I buy 5k worth, and that is with a lot of plain simple messing around with full aurum fits for the lulz of it. For people who buy aur just to use a rifle or two, maybe just a dropsuit to look pretty, it will last them MUCH longer unless they die a lot. In which case, they should probably not use a lot of aurum stuff if they are worried about losing it.

Some of the aurum item prices could stand to be looked at, but that's an issue for another thread. I'm in the process of making a list of what things are good where they are and what could be reduced or raised, from the perspective of someone who's been in the beta for months now :) I won't hijack your thread for this.

Also, I'll say hello to beers.

In EVE you can buy a plex on the market and turn it into aur. You don't have to spend any money.

Dust will be connected directly to the EVE market. You should be able to spend isk on plex for aur just like in EVE.

You don't really have a valid complaint, and as others have said, your idea defeats the entire point of aur.


Not to mention, aur items aren't better then isk items. You may be able to use a T2 equivalent gun sooner then a little later, but who cares. People are killing other people with militia weapons.

1049 kills, 2.49 kdr, currently ranked 41 on kill boards, one of the first 50 to make it to 1k+ kills, ALL in militia gear, i know a couple proto suit wearing muppets who i make a point to chase down when they start running cause they cant afford to keep losing 4-5 suits a match...

The concept isn't that I don't want to pay. I don't mind paying. It's how I'm paying

The concept is that CCP may do much better if they change the pricing system. This isn't game play feedback, it's business.

This isn't a post for complaining and forum tolling, it's market feedback for CCP.

I agree, as much as I hate the idea of paying time for a weapon, even that would be better than paying per life/use. I would love if they had to where you could buy something with AUR, and used ISK to keep it stocked. Or maybe some sort of ISK to AUR exchange rate to be able to trade your ISK into AUR so your not always paying for them.

Simply put, I think there needs to be a different system when using the AUR.

and i killed you tonight in a logistics suit... awwww yeah <.<

lol, sorry. i don't mean to be a ****, not tryin to brag, i know i'm not hot **** or anything, but your name is superking bignuts and it made me giggle. so the kill sticks out in my mind.

Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system.

Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear).

I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction.

I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun.

"The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters."

Also, SP boosters do help.. :)

Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system.

Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear).

I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction.

I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun.

"The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters."

I am fine with buying in game gear that I can't lose, but I don't really like the idea of burning cash everytime I die in game. I would be way more likely to pay a larger amount of money for gear that is infinite like the Merc Pack. Perhaps that is because I hate gambling money in real life and I don't really want to do it in my virtual life either :)...I am not being cheap here, it is just a bit of mental block on death costing money when I will gladly buy $20 gear packs with infinite uses.

It's easy to say "Nobody is forcing you to buy it!"

Dear lord! If the wives find out that you are paying $$$ for every second you play a video game! Forget about it! Show me a married man that wants to have that conversation with his wife and I'll show you a lier.

It's easy to say "Nobody is forcing you to buy it!"

That's not the point. We want people to buy stuff so this game keeps getting bigger and better. I just don't believe that the current penny/nickle slot model is the best way for Dust 514 to be profitable.

The mass FPS target market wants to shut down their brain and have fun for months on end with out thinking twice about it. If I feel guilty about playing the game, I simply won't do it.

Not too mention the wife.

Dear lord! If the wives find out that you are paying $$$ for every second you play a video game! Forget about it! Show me a married man that wants to have that conversation with his wife and I'll show you a lier.

It's easy to say "Nobody is forcing you to buy it!"

In general the video game market with micro transactions is really sucessful these days. So chin up, soldier on.

Yeah, I can see that. I'd gladly pay $5 for a BPO of a dropsuit that's better than militia to fall back on if my isk starts running low. Would I want it to be the best suit in the game? No. Just somewhere around the tier 1 stuff.

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The more I think about it, the more I think your argument is pro pay to win; which is the opposite of the inital guideline laid down by CCP for DUST 514.

Protip: Use Y to "show info", look at stats of skilled weapons. The look at the stats of Aurum weapons.

I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun.

I can't justify spending RMT on anything subjected to player-inflicted loss.

NOTE: This is from someone with a long-standing interest in EVE, but who's never played. I'm not great, and I probably will need AUR gear at times, but I won't whine when I lose it.

Dude, do it now, sign up for EVE. You won't regret it I promise you. I was in a similar boat as you. I started getting real interested in Eve around 2007-2008. I said to myself "well I am already 4 years behind everyone else, I will just wait for Eve 2." Well in the summer of 2011 I got tired of waiting for Eve 2, so I finally made a trial. Best videogame decision ever. I wish I would of sub'ed back in 07 when I first started getting interested. Eve 2 is never coming, and believe it or not you can catch up to the guys playing for years, so come join us!

well...if ya dont like losing your aurum gear then you can do 2 things

1. dont buy it
2. dont use it

besides you get it all back when the game gets wiped


this is a perfect way to keep the game f2p but not p2w
since ya lose it on death it keeps it fair to the people that cant throw money towards CCP as often as they would like

and also if the game follows its mother EVE you should be able to buy Aurum on the market with ISK since its ok to sell PLEX on the market in eve...and plex is bought with good ol simoleons (money)

Dude, do it now, sign up for EVE. You won't regret it I promise you. I was in a similar boat as you. I started getting real interested in Eve around 2007-2008. I said to myself "well I am already 4 years behind everyone else, I will just wait for Eve 2." Well in the summer of 2011 I got tired of waiting for Eve 2, so I finally made a trial. Best videogame decision ever. I wish I would of sub'ed back in 07 when I first started getting interested. Eve 2 is never coming, and believe it or not you can catch up to the guys playing for years, so come join us!