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Hawk Von Draum
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.07.01 15:30:00 -
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i too would also like to see more purchasable blueprints for both Aur and big money ISK |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.07.01 15:37:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system. Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear). I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction. I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun. "The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters." What should be kept in mind is that Cmdr Wang said before that ALL AURUM items can and will be resold for ISK by players. As well, the Free-to-Play model requires that AURUM items be priced against real life currency in a profitable manner, or the game cannot survive as an entity. If you aren't making enough ISK to afford ISK-only items, or if you're using AURUM items because they feel you gain an edge from them, than I don't see why you should be complaining. You have the option to train skills for ISK gear, which you would be "paying" for in a different manner, so the money you're spending is by your own choice either way. |
Keshkin
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.01 16:27:00 -
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I am fine with buying in game gear that I can't lose, but I don't really like the idea of burning cash everytime I die in game. I would be way more likely to pay a larger amount of money for gear that is infinite like the Merc Pack. Perhaps that is because I hate gambling money in real life and I don't really want to do it in my virtual life either :)...I am not being cheap here, it is just a bit of mental block on death costing money when I will gladly buy $20 gear packs with infinite uses.
*edit* I will play either way it is just a matter of how much money CCP gets from me :) |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.07.01 16:39:00 -
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Fix your math. 3 AUR does not equal $0.03. It is closer to $0.012.
Also AUR is great. it is a great option. It is all balanced. |
Torkada Alamstrada
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2012.07.01 17:18:00 -
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Here's the way I look at it. If I'm going into battle with a specific purpose - say, an employer's paying me and the elite strike team I always partner with to go in, take a specific outpost, hold it 'til we win, and get out, then I might drop $5 on some aurum and walk into that battle so twinked that small arms fire feels like kitten sneezing. But if I'm out there in a skirmish mode playing with a bunch of people that have no idea what they're doing or what teamwork is like, of -course- I'm not going to use AUR gear just to lord it over them. Heck, if I'm playing to swell my bank account, I'll probably be using the most cheap-arse stuff I can and still eliminate an enemy.
Same with prototype gear. If you're going to field a prototype dropsuit with prototype modules and weaponry, you'd better -already- be a god on the battlefield or you're going to be sniffling when you see your profit vanish after you die -once-. The reason the higher tier stuff is so powerful is because it's so expensive; people get their money's worth. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.01 17:35:00 -
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Auriel Aedean wrote:Also, SP boosters do help.. :)
And THAT is the only thing I'm currently using AUR for. I did have my fun with a few AUR items in the last build, but generally found them...not worth it, even if they did provide an edge they weren't worth the (real) money spent. |
Alexander Wolfenstein
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.07.01 17:58:00 -
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Protip: Only use AUR for boosters. |
Dauss Vrau
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.07.01 18:03:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system. Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear). I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction. I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun. "The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters."
Well, there is this little thing called ISK... you don't need to have full on AUR gear. there is not much of an advantage, buddy. |
RoBoJerk
41
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Posted - 2012.07.01 18:05:00 -
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Keshkin wrote:I am fine with buying in game gear that I can't lose, but I don't really like the idea of burning cash everytime I die in game. I would be way more likely to pay a larger amount of money for gear that is infinite like the Merc Pack. Perhaps that is because I hate gambling money in real life and I don't really want to do it in my virtual life either :)...I am not being cheap here, it is just a bit of mental block on death costing money when I will gladly buy $20 gear packs with infinite uses.
Then don't buy AUR gear. And the only gear in the merc pack that's infinite use in there is the smg and dropsuit, both of which are only mildly better than the militia gear and easily outclassed by isk gear. |
Eirik DenRoue
22
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:16:00 -
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It's easy to say "Nobody is forcing you to buy it!"
That's not the point. We want people to buy stuff so this game keeps getting bigger and better. I just don't believe that the current penny/nickle slot model is the best way for Dust 514 to be profitable.
The mass FPS target market wants to shut down their brain and have fun for months on end with out thinking twice about it. If I feel guilty about playing the game, I simply won't do it.
Not too mention the wife.
Dear lord! If the wives find out that you are paying $$$ for every second you play a video game! Forget about it! Show me a married man that wants to have that conversation with his wife and I'll show you a lier. |
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Tehl Nahvah Ahrotahntee
Doomheim
15
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:23:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:It's easy to say "Nobody is forcing you to buy it!"
It's true; Nobody is forcing you to buy it.
This is like gambling, play within your limits. Spend responsibly.
If you feel you cannot play this game without a full AUR loadout for every match, every life, every time... then you need to address your budget to fit it in, or choose not to play.
Lots of people are going to take this game as free and play it without ever spending a dime, it is important that there are people who want to spend, maybe not a lot but some of their money on AUR items.
You can't say they're not giving you a choice, pretty well all of those guns are available with SP & ISK...
Eirik DenRoue wrote:Dear lord! If the wives find out that you are paying $$$ for every second you play a video game! Forget about it! Show me a married man that wants to have that conversation with his wife and I'll show you a lier.
This game is absolutely free to play if you want it to be, you set the price, you're in control. CCP sets the exchange rate for Aurum, if it is an unfavourable exchange rate, sales will dwindle and CCP will have to step in and tweak the economy.
The more I think about it, the more I think your argument is pro pay to win; which is the opposite of the inital guideline laid down by CCP for DUST 514. |
Daxos Cavaletto
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
74
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:31:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:It's easy to say "Nobody is forcing you to buy it!"
That's not the point. We want people to buy stuff so this game keeps getting bigger and better. I just don't believe that the current penny/nickle slot model is the best way for Dust 514 to be profitable.
The mass FPS target market wants to shut down their brain and have fun for months on end with out thinking twice about it. If I feel guilty about playing the game, I simply won't do it.
Not too mention the wife.
Dear lord! If the wives find out that you are paying $$$ for every second you play a video game! Forget about it! Show me a married man that wants to have that conversation with his wife and I'll show you a lier.
My wife's shoe budget > my hooker budget > my video game budget
As per your response I think it safe to say what you believe in this manner is pretty irrelevent. It's not going to change. In general the video game market with micro transactions is really sucessful these days. So chin up, soldier on.
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Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:57:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote:It's easy to say "Nobody is forcing you to buy it!" Yes, it is easy to say. It also happens to be correct.
The hard part, as with most things, is getting idiots to understand what those words mean. |
Eirik DenRoue
22
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:18:00 -
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Daxos Cavaletto wrote:In general the video game market with micro transactions is really sucessful these days. So chin up, soldier on.
You're right, micro transactions are a very successful new element in online gaming. I'm not saying that CCP should stop the micro transactions.
What I'm suggesting is that CCP should take a look at how they run the micro transactions. Perhaps a different method of implementation would be better received that the current transaction system.
For example $2 for a blueprint of a suit/gun/module so players don't need to be concerned about spending $$ as they play.
Perhaps a mixture of the current system and a more expensive blue print option.
Or maybe some thing else I haven't thought of.
My point is that perhaps CCP could be more profitable by changing some details of their micro transactions. |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:47:00 -
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Yeah, I can see that. I'd gladly pay $5 for a BPO of a dropsuit that's better than militia to fall back on if my isk starts running low. Would I want it to be the best suit in the game? No. Just somewhere around the tier 1 stuff. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.02 11:59:00 -
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Seeker of Cheese wrote:Yeah, I can see that. I'd gladly pay $5 for a BPO of a dropsuit that's better than militia to fall back on if my isk starts running low. Would I want it to be the best suit in the game? No. Just somewhere around the tier 1 stuff.
If something HAS to be done, this should be it. But I'd rather not see even that much.
The "problem" here is that OP thinks he needs AUR gear to keep up with other players. Even though he's trying to pay to win, the game isn't built like that, and he's not good enough to actually DESERVE the win.
I know I'm not going to be sad if/when he leaves, and I don't think he's the target market for CCP either. They want players who appreciate the brutality of their world. If you want someone holding your hand, you're playing the wrong game.
NOTE: This is from someone with a long-standing interest in EVE, but who's never played. I'm not great, and I probably will need AUR gear at times, but I won't whine when I lose it. |
Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:46:00 -
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Protip: Use Y to "show info", look at stats of skilled weapons. The look at the stats of Aurum weapons.
They really mean it when they say "you can't buy win". |
RoBoJerk
41
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:01:00 -
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Tehl Nahvah Ahrotahntee wrote:[quote=Eirik DenRoue] The more I think about it, the more I think your argument is pro pay to win; which is the opposite of the inital guideline laid down by CCP for DUST 514.
This.
Also, it is easy to say nobody is forcing you to buy it. Doesn't mean we're telling you not to play, just don't use AUR gear. It's really not much better anyway. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:04:00 -
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Iceyburnz wrote:Protip: Use Y to "show info", look at stats of skilled weapons. The look at the stats of Aurum weapons.
Better protip: PS3 controllers don't (usually) have "Y" buttons. Use triangle. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:45:00 -
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Eirik DenRoue wrote: I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun.
Once more for this topic, in short:
IF you choose to use AUR items, Buy them with isk.
You are beyond paying real $. Case solved.
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Max Trichomes
Quantum Kittens Syndicate
68
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:42:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:I can't justify spending RMT on anything subjected to player-inflicted loss.
I hate to be 'that guy' but I am going to be anyway. The 'T' in RMT stands for Trading, and thus does not make sense in your sentence. Drop the 'T' and just say RM (Real Money). Just sayin. |
Max Trichomes
Quantum Kittens Syndicate
68
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:03:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
NOTE: This is from someone with a long-standing interest in EVE, but who's never played. I'm not great, and I probably will need AUR gear at times, but I won't whine when I lose it.
Dude, do it now, sign up for EVE. You won't regret it I promise you. I was in a similar boat as you. I started getting real interested in Eve around 2007-2008. I said to myself "well I am already 4 years behind everyone else, I will just wait for Eve 2." Well in the summer of 2011 I got tired of waiting for Eve 2, so I finally made a trial. Best videogame decision ever. I wish I would of sub'ed back in 07 when I first started getting interested. Eve 2 is never coming, and believe it or not you can catch up to the guys playing for years, so come join us! |
King Snuggler
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:13:00 -
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I for one am patient enough to wait till I have the needed skills to use a particular weapon,suit , or equipment than spend AUR on useless things sides skill boosters and saying that really you should just save the AUR for skill boosters only (less grind=more fun) I don't see a problem with the AUR its the players that want it all now that I have a problem with. |
King Snuggler
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:14:00 -
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Max Trichomes wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
NOTE: This is from someone with a long-standing interest in EVE, but who's never played. I'm not great, and I probably will need AUR gear at times, but I won't whine when I lose it.
Dude, do it now, sign up for EVE. You won't regret it I promise you. I was in a similar boat as you. I started getting real interested in Eve around 2007-2008. I said to myself "well I am already 4 years behind everyone else, I will just wait for Eve 2." Well in the summer of 2011 I got tired of waiting for Eve 2, so I finally made a trial. Best videogame decision ever. I wish I would of sub'ed back in 07 when I first started getting interested. Eve 2 is never coming, and believe it or not you can catch up to the guys playing for years, so come join us!
I played for 7 years and recently retired from the game (burnout) but I am psyched to play this as a secondary game next to DC Universe and Planetside 2 :D |
JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:45:00 -
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Renzo Kuken wrote:Eirik DenRoue wrote:Feedback from me and my friends about the AUR purchasing system. Spending $ .03 on a basic rifle, then $ .03 for a basic suit, etc. for every death is a major turn off. If my fit is mostly AUR items I can easily end up spending $1.50/hour to play this game (and that's with the basic cheap AUR gear). I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, and makes me perceive CCP as being overly greedy. All of which is bad for business. My friends and I were discussing this issue when someone made the observation that if I were to purchase the gun blueprint for say $1.50 or $2.00 and have access to the weapon for ISK I would no longer perceive CCP as being greedy, and feel better about the whole transaction. I would have to die and repurchase a gun about 67 times (that's a lot) to reach the $2.00 mark, but I would feel better about paying $2.00 compared to $.03 a death for only a gun. "The truth may as well not exist, perception is the only thing that matters." well...if ya dont like losing your aurum gear then you can do 2 things 1. dont buy it 2. dont use it besides you get it all back when the game gets wiped this is a perfect way to keep the game f2p but not p2w since ya lose it on death it keeps it fair to the people that cant throw money towards CCP as often as they would like and also if the game follows its mother EVE you should be able to buy Aurum on the market with ISK since its ok to sell PLEX on the market in eve...and plex is bought with good ol simoleons (money)
Yeah but there is a big problem with that don't buy, the best equipment is under the AUR i have a problem with that also then put the best equipment to buy with the ISK!!!!!! |
JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:48:00 -
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Thats why they put it free to play but the catch is aru to pay for the game brillant you go ccp. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:30:00 -
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Max Trichomes wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
NOTE: This is from someone with a long-standing interest in EVE, but who's never played. I'm not great, and I probably will need AUR gear at times, but I won't whine when I lose it.
Dude, do it now, sign up for EVE. You won't regret it I promise you. I was in a similar boat as you. I started getting real interested in Eve around 2007-2008. I said to myself "well I am already 4 years behind everyone else, I will just wait for Eve 2." Well in the summer of 2011 I got tired of waiting for Eve 2, so I finally made a trial. Best videogame decision ever. I wish I would of sub'ed back in 07 when I first started getting interested. Eve 2 is never coming, and believe it or not you can catch up to the guys playing for years, so come join us!
Last time I upgraded my PC was before EVE came out. I've been mostly a console gamer since then (although I still pick up a few of my old DOS games), so I don't really have the option of playing EVE right now. If I had a system capable of running the game, I would be playing it. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.07.02 23:40:00 -
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EVE is great, strongly encourage people to try it out, the drama and the tears, the success and the defeats, a lot of eve is what you make of it, and one of the few games you can be a PROFESSIONAL pirate and not get immediately banned for griefing(as long as youre not griefing rookies)
and aurum gear is just a little lower fit requirement than most isk gear, it CAN provide a slight edge allowing you to fit one more damage or shield extender, but its probably already HEAVILY stacked and not going to be worth full points. its not like i can fit 7 extra extenders just cause i bought aurum suits and equipment, i would estimate you could get at best a 5-10% edge over isk bought proto gear, which is approximately 20-30% higher than equally skilled militia gear. looking at these numbers, for every 5 hits militia rifle would take to kill someone, it takes 4 with proto rifle, which considering how fast some of the fights are, isnt much of a diffrence. |
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