DUST Search - Rip Nova

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Alena Asakura wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Alena Asakura wrote:

I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen...

I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others.

I actually don't believe that Nova will be superior to Dust in any way that matters to me. While the FPS aspect was not lost to me, the complexity of the skilling system (still simple compared with EvE) and the clear differences between the suits and gear of the races/factions was what made the big difference for me. If, as it seems, Nova is to focus on the FPS aspect and simplify or even remove everything else, then no, Nova will certainly NOT be superior in any way for me.

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If you dont mind me asking, what makes you think those things will be absent from Nova?

First day open beta. I used to play for the points.=ƒò¦Old Skool! By natural selection I'm Salty & Peppery.

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Moorian Flav 490	Posted - 2017.03.09 19:28:00 - [61] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Dust is gone. We will never see it again. Whether Nova is a thing or not it will not be Dust, ported to another platform, reborn. If/when Nova ever comes out, it will be a pale cut-down version of Dust at best, and likely not to attract my attention for very long. RIP Nova? RIP Dust! Maybe all who still come to the DUST forum truly feel this way; no matter if Project Nova releases or not, it will never be what DUST was. Kind of sad. Hopefully, this doesn't cut into Pokey's boundless optimism any. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9067	Posted - 2017.03.09 20:13:00 - [62] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Dust is gone. We will never see it again. Whether Nova is a thing or not it will not be Dust, ported to another platform, reborn. If/when Nova ever comes out, it will be a pale cut-down version of Dust at best, and likely not to attract my attention for very long. RIP Nova? RIP Dust! Maybe all who still come to the DUST forum truly feel this way; no matter if Project Nova releases or not, it will never be what DUST was. Kind of sad. Hopefully, this doesn't cut into Pokey's boundless optimism any. Hmmm I suppose more of what I feel, or perhaps fear, is that people will have nastolgia bias. "It's different from Dust and therefore inferior". An understandable response, very human. We tend to cling to what we like and assume that something other than what we like is something we dislike. I've spoken on this before so I won't get into it, but I think people were more in love with the idea of Dust and less so the execution. More enamored with "what might be" rather than what they actually had in their hands. This paired with nastolgia bias will likely leave many Dust vets feeling bitter about anything that is not a carbon copy of Dust....At least at first. I am hopeful that people will at the very least give it a fair shot in the long run. First reaction may very well be a salty one, but I do hope everyone at least try to see the big picture and try to remember that different is not always inferior. I won't try to tell anyone that Nova will be an amazing game or better than Dust, I have no way to know that. But I think at the very least we should at least try to keep an open mind and give whatever they come up with a fair shot. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18947	Posted - 2017.03.10 01:59:00 - [63] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: "It's different from Dust and therefore inferior". . I'll only say that if they do strip all vehicles and give us a CQC lobby shooter, mostly because it will be different from DUST, oh, and therefore inferior. One plus one is three.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 1049	Posted - 2017.03.10 03:03:00 - [64] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: "It's different from Dust and therefore inferior". . I'll only say that if they do strip all vehicles and give us a CQC lobby shooter, mostly because it will be different from DUST, oh, and therefore inferior. Personally, I'm an ADS fiend... but there is ONE thing that will screw everything over: catering to the mainstream in terms of gunplay. See, I would be satisfied with Dust-esque ground game (longer than "typical" ttk, pick and choose battles, etc etc) if that gives no vehicles at launch. Damn I'd grab a PC in a jiffy. The issue is if they over simplify fittings and all; every weapon feels almost the same, and we're not even close to seeing 100+ m gun game as often as Dust did. That will not be a nostalgia bias as pokey said imho. It'll just be CCP conforming to almost every other "popular" shooter to try to get more players. In other words, keeping the essence of dust 514 is what we "vets" would want. As soon as it feels like a mainstream shooter, all twitchy and stuff... it's "inferior." But yes, if it is different but comparable.. who'll care? Think like snack food vs gourmet desert. Snack food is just grab and go, keep munching and munching till you get tired... repeat. A desert has you savoring the flavor, and really gives good "closure" to a meal. You're kinda satisfied and can't wait to taste something like that again. Dust 514 was that desert with a little odd aftertaste. Nova simply needs to replace this menu option. Sure we'll miss Dust 514, but if Nova is just as satisfying, if not more satisfying... we'll still go to Ristorant+¬ CCP. Tl;dr: I agree with DUST. If it throws away the intricacies of Dust to cater to the easier, more mainstream shooter... it's inferior... ADS or not. :< Potential Pilot Proposal? Yes!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9068	Posted - 2017.03.10 13:27:00 - [65] - Quote Well and that's part of my point. There very well may a difference that ruins the experience for you. Totally get that, and there are some elements that are super important to me that would make me like the game far less if they were absent. Hell, there are some elements I hope to god they change haha. Either way, just as my personal philosophy, I'm going to try to play the game with the mental assumption that I never played Dust and try to assess Nova completely on its own. Just trying to avoid making comparisons and focusing more on "Do I like how this game plays?" Rather than "What did they change front Dust and do I like those changes?" Does that make sense? EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18947	Posted - 2017.03.10 14:00:00 - [66] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Does that make sense? No. One plus one is three.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9068	Posted - 2017.03.10 14:21:00 - [67] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Does that make sense? No. You're not my real dad! EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Moorian Flav 491	Posted - 2017.03.10 15:02:00 - [68] - Quote No matter how good Project Nova is, players will still have to put up with CCP. I still remember the long silences the first quarter of every year during DUST which brought the most frustration I've ever had as a gamer. CCP can cater to gamers continually giving updates and info when and only when they think there is enough players worth doing so. And I think we can all agree that is not a way to launch a new product yet CCP still seems to be following their same old playbook (at least in respect to their FPS titles). I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1359	Posted - 2017.03.10 20:53:00 - [69] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well and that's part of my point. There very well may a difference that ruins the experience for you. Totally get that, and there are some elements that are super important to me that would make me like the game far less if they were absent. Hell, there are some elements I hope to god they change haha. Either way, just as my personal philosophy, I'm going to try to play the game with the mental assumption that I never played Dust and try to assess Nova completely on its own. Just trying to avoid making comparisons and focusing more on "Do I like how this game plays?" Rather than "What did they change front Dust and do I like those changes?" Does that make sense? I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen...
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1359	Posted - 2017.03.10 20:57:00 - [70] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: No matter how good Project Nova is, players will still have to put up with CCP. I still remember the long silences the first quarter of every year during DUST which brought the most frustration I've ever had as a gamer. CCP can cater to gamers continually giving updates and info when and only when they think there is enough players worth doing so. And I think we can all agree that is not a way to launch a new product yet CCP still seems to be following their same old playbook (at least in respect to their FPS titles). There was and still is a fundamental difference between the way CCP addresses the EvE community and the way CCP addresses the Dust/Nova community. With EvE, they're comparatively verbose, always talking about new features, balancing, whatever. With Dust and now Nova, they're comparatively silent. My take on this is that Dust was always and Nova still is, a product/project that they don't want to talk about, and would largely wish would go away. The fact WE aren't going away may be the major reason CCP still is working on Nova. But they still wish it would go away.

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9072	Posted - 2017.03.10 21:37:00 - [71] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen... I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 16344	Posted - 2017.03.10 22:56:00 - [72] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen... I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others. Inferior in which ways? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9075	Posted - 2017.03.10 23:40:00 - [73] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen... I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others. Inferior in which ways? Mostly the flow of the game modes honestly. I personally enjoy progressive game modes (like most modes in MAG and Skirmish 1.0 in Dust). So when they moved away from that in Dust, I was pretty frustrated. I also enjoyed how objectives and sub objectives in in MAG led to more diversity in gameplay, whereas in Dust they were pretty lackluster, which let to much more direct flow of battle. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1360	Posted - 2017.03.11 19:59:00 - [74] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen... I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others. I actually don't believe that Nova will be superior to Dust in any way that matters to me. While the FPS aspect was not lost to me, the complexity of the skilling system (still simple compared with EvE) and the clear differences between the suits and gear of the races/factions was what made the big difference for me. If, as it seems, Nova is to focus on the FPS aspect and simplify or even remove everything else, then no, Nova will certainly NOT be superior in any way for me.
Verasictorus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.03.12 00:17:00 - [75] - Quote pretty sure we'll hear about it in less than a month
Loaded'Horn SPACE CASE INC 262	Posted - 2017.03.12 01:43:00 - [76] - Quote [quote=Verasictorus]pretty sure we'll hear about it in less than a month[/quote http://m.imgur.com/NMlDr3d?r We will Soon see. We have always been waiting for SOON. 4/8/17 First day open beta. I used to play for the points.=ƒò¦Old Skool! By natural selection I'm Salty & Peppery.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9079	Posted - 2017.03.12 04:33:00 - [77] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen... I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others. I actually don't believe that Nova will be superior to Dust in any way that matters to me. While the FPS aspect was not lost to me, the complexity of the skilling system (still simple compared with EvE) and the clear differences between the suits and gear of the races/factions was what made the big difference for me. If, as it seems, Nova is to focus on the FPS aspect and simplify or even remove everything else, then no, Nova will certainly NOT be superior in any way for me. ' If you dont mind me asking, what makes you think those things will be absent from Nova? EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Loaded'Horn SPACE CASE INC 262	Posted - 2017.03.12 04:58:00 - [78] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen... I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others. I actually don't believe that Nova will be superior to Dust in any way that matters to me. While the FPS aspect was not lost to me, the complexity of the skilling system (still simple compared with EvE) and the clear differences between the suits and gear of the races/factions was what made the big difference for me. If, as it seems, Nova is to focus on the FPS aspect and simplify or even remove everything else, then no, Nova will certainly NOT be superior in any way for me. ' If you dont mind me asking, what makes you think those things will be absent from Nova? Because nothing could hurt more feelings and cause butt hurt like dust did, nothing will top that. Well maybe that chicken or egg thing. Was that ever resolved? The dust may never be settle on either topic. First day open beta. I used to play for the points.=ƒò¦Old Skool! By natural selection I'm Salty & Peppery.
DUST Fiend 18948	Posted - 2017.03.12 18:58:00 - [79] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: ' If you dont mind me asking, what makes you think those things will be absent from Nova? It's all a jumble right now since CCP has shoved so much bullshit down our throats that never ended up being anything, but there was a time shortly after either LolLegion was announced or NullNova came into being, but there was a dev talking about "streamlining" the skill system even more than it already was. I feel like if NullNova becomes a thing, CCP will be so obsessed with making the NPE user friendly that they will strip away anything that made DUST a "thinking mans shooter" and just giving us a basic shooter with an EVE skin. And lastly, it's kind of ignorant to ask that question seriously when there is so little concrete information for NullNova right now. One plus one is three.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1366	Posted - 2017.03.12 20:53:00 - [80] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: I guess the basic problem for me isn't that I want Nova, but that I just want Dust back, and I know it's not going to happen... I feel exactly the same way about MAG. I actually struggled for some time with Dust because I was so attached to MAG but over time I learned to enjoy dust for what it was....Superior in some ways to MAG and inferior in others. I actually don't believe that Nova will be superior to Dust in any way that matters to me. While the FPS aspect was not lost to me, the complexity of the skilling system (still simple compared with EvE) and the clear differences between the suits and gear of the races/factions was what made the big difference for me. If, as it seems, Nova is to focus on the FPS aspect and simplify or even remove everything else, then no, Nova will certainly NOT be superior in any way for me. ' If you dont mind me asking, what makes you think those things will be absent from Nova? The statements that have been made by various people, that CCP will be focusing on FPS, adding extra complexity later. The fact that CCP does not keep us informed means all sorts of people make up their own minds what will be in Nova and all any of us has to go on in the end is hearsay. Much of that hearsay has been about the "dumbing down" of the skilling system, the use of somewhat vanilla flavour clones at least initially, that sort of thing. They MAY add a lot of complexity longer term, but if they don't have a decent amount of it initially, it will just be another FPS to me.



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