Nope aint happenin, they a pc company anyway. There are littlerally thousands of grown men who throw down real money every single paycheck on plex and other garbage in that pay to win subscription based game.

This one single product kept them fed for years. You think they give a **** about some twerpy little pleb on some completely abandoned forum for some half cocked now defunct game thats several generations old by now?

Get the **** outta here

Lol. Your parents must be proud.

He's being so negative lately...

True that. Nova would surely boom on consoles: the only game which would be in direct competition with Nova would be Planetside 2, and it's not doing so well lately. For a couple reasons actually: it's a fairly old game and its gameplay mechanics require a huge number of players, so it's not even fun anymore most of the times. Nova would surely attract a swarm of people downloading it at day-1, since it would be the "other new free to play game on ps4" and possibly, if mechanics and gameplay are good enough new people would stick to it.

We must be honest, although on PC you have the freedom to do pretty much anything you want with the game and you don't have to worry about newer generations coming, about developing on older generations etc, you have a huge direct competition about free to play in general- and in particular on MMOFPS/Online Shooters.

While i would love if a well developed Nova was ultimately ported to a console, I can't deny the fact that given the lifecycle of the game as well as CCP's rather slow development cycle, the PC makes far more sense initially, even if there is a market for money on the console. I mean sure they could put it on PS4 at launch, but how long until we're at the same point we were on DUST with the game being held back by an aging PS4? Already you have games with crossplay on PC and PS4 and the PC version is held back on features because the PS4 cant handle more.

Id rather they get Nova to a well developed and released state before pushing it out to consoles, and by then it would probably make more sense to wait till the next gen past PS4/XBONE


Also slight issue with the XBONE, see while Microsoft has finally allowed games to be crossplay with PC and PS4 (they didn't allow it at all before which is why Dust never made it to the 360...CCP wanted to do it but Microsoft wouldn't allow it to interact with EVE because its on a different platform), it is in their policy that the developers MUST include an option to let XBox players play with only Xbox if they so choose, which could become exceedingly problematic for a single-shard universe like New Eden.

Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless

This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!".

The consoles are at the beginning of their lives, and given that the previous generation lasted a decade, I'd say that's plenty of time to launch a successful game. If you're worried PS4 will be "old" in 2026 I'm sure that's a bridge we can cross when we get to it...

The logic is this.

Most "PC Gamers" I would say are aware of EVE online, and have made up their mind in whether or not they want to play it. Also, many "PC Gamers" would also have their minds made up if they want to try a shooter in the New Eden universe, especially considering the saturation of decent immersive shooters and space games on steam.

By contrast, I'd say most "Console players" are quite oblivious to EVE, and therefore are a totally untapped audience. If "Nova" became successful on console and players became invested, then they would be far more likely to say "Hey, let's check out this EVE game to supplement our Nova corporation, this world is cool, I'd like to see more of it". ==== More players for each game, more money for CCP, more development budget, better game, happier gamers... etc.

Oh it most definitly will be "old" and likely out of production by 2026.

PS3 Launched Late 2006/Early 2007
Dust514 launched 20013, but was in active development for PS3 for a couple years before that, so lets say 2011, or 4 years after the PS3's launch.

PS4 released in Late 2013, it is now Late 2016, so 3 years ago. So if the began development for the PS4 version of the game sometime next year, you're not too far off from when they started development of Dust514 for the PS3.

See my concern? And as for the PS4 Pro, while it is more powerful, Sony does not allow games to be PS4 Pro exclusive, so Nova would need to be compatible with the base PS4 anyways.

So you expect a large number of the console population to purchase a different platform to play a different iteration of New Eden? If that were the case, would there not have been a massive influx of EVE players buying PS3 when DUST was released to do the same thing? Because there wasn't and its the same mindset, just going the other direction.

I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it...

And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in.

Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one.

Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do.


My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive.

Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC"

Well....there are actually already many games that have Cross-Play so that's really not that big of a hype. They tried to hype that with Dust and it blew up in their faces because it was rushed because they wanted to be the first.

Developing now with PS4 in mind is basically saying "Ok well we already have a defined upper limit of what we can do" which honestly is not going to be a good way to develop the kind of game it should be. It should be "Ok we made the game we wanted, now will it work on PS4 or should we wait till PS5?"

I mean...I want Nova to be everything it possibly can be, so why put a hard limit on it from the start?

You're not giving the modern consoles enough credit. Have you seen graphics comparisons? The capabilities of PS4 and XB are more than capable to run anything that needs to be run. Dust was great on the PS3, now on PS4 it can be 100X better. I'm happy with that. I don't care if a blade of grass can have 10 times more polygons on the PC, that's not really that important to me. The pro's outweigh the cons regarding placing the game on consoles IMO

Also, to my knowledge there is currently no cross-play between PS-XB.

XB recently did the play anywhere thing with windows which allows all XB games played on windows, that's what's getting the ball rolling here. That's either gonna kill Sony, or Sony will be forced to join in. Developers are also pushing them for it.

Once it happens there's no turning back. Full cross-play is the future

Pokey's conversation has me thinking about logistical caps, not hardware caps. I agree with the argument that modern day consoles are trending to be on-par with modest laptops. But think back to the logistical issues that DUST faced during its PS3 days. CCP can't patch when they want (or need to), for example.

Furthermore, focusing in on the hardware differences, computers will always have more under the hood than consoles - even if the differential between them shrinks. So I would reiterate Pokey's point again: if you had the option for more room, power, and freedom to work with, why wouldn't you take it?

Either way my concern isnt really the cross play between consoles, and I don't think "OMG FIRST" is really going to net anyone much hype. I mean **** they release Titanfall 2 on both PS4 and XBONE and the Xboys lose their minds in a fit of rage over loss of exclusivity. Lots of silly animosity between the two group for some reason.

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You've just pointed out another massive benefit of full cross-play...

Pit the fanboys against each other. Market this thing as the answer to the REAL (figurative) console wars. Realease an exclusive skin to each console and watch the console loyalist corps pop up and battle each other. The hype train would be unstoppable.

That would be awesome, and we'd all benefit.

*sigh* lol ok

The issue isnt the cross play but it seems to be critical to you so I'll just say good discussion and leave it at that.

Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova?
I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum.
Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base?
There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form.
In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter.
The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original.
New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse.
At least on console there is a player base that actually exists.

There are an awful lot of assumptions in there.

First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world.

Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust.

Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases.

Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was.

If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console.

To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond.

Consoles are dead pleb, join the pc master race or be forgotten

I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once.

You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there.

Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons.

I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once.

You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there.

Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons.

They may not be able to play both games at the exact same time, but there is nothing that says they can't switch back and forth between the two.

When I played Dust, I didn't always ONLY play Dust. I often played other games during that time frame too. I might play a game or two of Dust before work, then on my off days play a different game. I did the same with other shooters, as they were often quick games, but didn't provide the narrative depth of other games, or just didn't have the type of game play I was looking for at that moment.

That may not be true for you, and for many, but it will be true for some. EVE has such a large audience that there will be some that play both. Even the ones that aren't even interested in FPS may have friends that have no interest in EVE that they can bring in to Nova. It may even give EVE players who have unsubed something to do until they feel like getting back into EVE. There are numerous possibilities, and the notion that Nova will somehow truly cannibalize EVE players is unrealistic at scale.

"Long run"

Are you sure? I really don't see how it would be difficult for Nova to compete on PC or gain a large following. Nova in the right steps could achieve the retention and numbers of CS:GO just by having solid Strongbox system and skins.

... It will never rival CS:GO because of strongboxes and skins... Ridiculous that you even said that... All modern shooters are coming out with strongboxes and skins... CS:GO and Dust aren't even remotely similar... you think an MLG oriented lobby shooter is going to compete with an MMOFPS?!

Consoles are home to millions and millions of primarily FPS focused players who are completely starved for a good shooter! All they get are over-priced DLC-filled big budget titles that expire after one year. COD, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. etc. etc.

The PC demographic by contrast is depleted! Most PC gamers are already focused on games they like, you'd have a much harder time breaking out there. On PC you're not only competing with all the great shooter games consoles don't have access to, you're competing with DOTA, Starcraft 2, Total War, Age of Empires, Sim City, KSP, World of ******* Warcraft etc. etc. etc....

It's all about volume fella's, it's what brings the most possible people into this universe that's the best for all of us. That's definitely through the consoles. Hence the title of my thread, I'm hoping It's on CCP's radar..

Nope ok thanks bye

I was referring to the crowd that gets easily addicted or spends money on virtual skins/ loot boxes. Those Nova could easily get, being MMOFPS is just a bonus.

I'm sure Nova will do well in the numbers on PC, a F2P is hard to kill and if it keeps its customization and universe it will stand out.

Wait a minute... didn't I already make you look silly at the beginning of this thread? ... yup. lol

And you're one of those that tries really hard to troll?


Lol, don't worry you'll get the hang of it.

You called me a tryhard and the whole past two pages of this thread is you posting near biblical sized paragraphs upon paragraphs, debating people on something so lame as console viability, you're a fruitloop

Pokey's conversation has me thinking about logistical caps, not hardware caps. I agree with the argument that modern day consoles are trending to be on-par with modest laptops. But think back to the logistical issues that DUST faced during its PS3 days. CCP can't patch when they want (or need to), for example.

Furthermore, focusing in on the hardware differences, computers will always have more under the hood than consoles - even if the differential between them shrinks. So I would reiterate Pokey's point again: if you had the option for more room, power, and freedom to work with, why wouldn't you take it?

*remembers Foxfour tweet*

"doesn't remember Foxfour tweet"
Link?

I can't remember if he deleted the tweet or not, but he said "**** consoles". It eventually led to him creating a personal Twitter account so he can share his own personal opinions without that view being directly connected to CCP.

Speaks to dev's opinions of developing for consoles

Forgive the grainy pic.

Ha ha ha

Lol, something funny brat?

Yes, it is funny. "**** consoles" seems to put a nice bow on CCP's sentiments for the console market. The one exception being EVE Valkyrie, which I wager they did because PSVR is more affordable than PC VR options and therefore more likely to succeed.
Project nova doesn't seem to be offering a VR experience so chances of CCP stooping into the console market again are somewhere between "****" and "all".

Stooping to the bigger player base? Interesting... ;)

Okay, yes, the playerbase becomes larger. Then they must develop two sets of code. They also have to deal with console generations and porting over the game from PS4 to 5 and then 6 and so on. The PS4 Pro offers more powerful hardware, but Sony has said the PS4 Pro will be able to play PS4 games so CCP cannot count on the PS4 Pro's hardware and must then develop with inferior hardware in mind.

THEN you have yet to offer an explanation for cross-play between console and PC players and the massive precision differences between KBM and controller. And if you "Well there just won't be cross play" so you are segregating console players; the PC nova mercs can interact with EVE and what not. Console players could not because then they would have to deal with KBM players.

OR the differences in update cadence. A console community will forever be operating a few days or weeks behind the PC players. So what, you slow down PC updates so consoles can keep up due to Sony's QA policies? Sounds pretty ******.

TL;DR -

There are pro's and con's either way. Personally, I think all technical obstacles are worth overcoming to have the largest possible player base. But hey, that's me.

WoW had a massive player base, that doesn't intrinsically make it a better game. I know that isn't a perfect 1:1 example, but I'm trying to say a project nova does not need 15,000,000 players to be great.

Out of curiousity, do you own a PC? If so, what kind of specs are you running? I'm discovering the vast majority of players who are demanding a console port don't own a PC. A gaming PC that can run project nova is not going to be $3k+ as some would have you believe.

*Walks in*
So this thread is still going? I think I left it...in...good shape....
*Everything on fire*
*Quietly slips out the door*

Nope aint happenin, they a pc company anyway. There are littlerally thousands of grown men who throw down real money every single paycheck on plex and other garbage in that pay to win subscription based game. (Eve on pc)

This one single product kept them fed for years. You think they give a **** about some twerpy little pleb on some completely abandoned forum for some half cocked now defunct game thats several generations old by now?

Get the **** outta here

You called me a tryhard and the whole past two pages of this thread is you posting near biblical sized paragraphs upon paragraphs, debating people on something so lame as console viability, you're a fruitloop

Well, we really don't know the required specs yet. No I'm not optimally set up to play an FPS on PC currently. I'm also not demanding anything, I just don't think the benefits of consoles should be overlooked entirely.

WoW can't compare to this game. The Dust-EVE universe is unique, and I think would benefit tremendously to the maximum number of players. That's why matchmaking never worked for us.

Also, regarding a game with a near infinite development scope

you actually could make the case that the more players (revenue) then the better game in the long run.

One of Dust's biggest thorns was a tiny, isolated community that stomped out any hope of gaining new players.

Hey, at least it's a civil discussion! Except for that bratty weasel Michael.

I was referring to the crowd that gets easily addicted or spends money on virtual skins/ loot boxes.