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Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2962	Posted - 2016.10.12 23:22:00 - [31] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: LOL KILLZ wrote: Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists. There are an awful lot of assumptions in there. First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world. Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust. Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases. Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was. If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console. To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond. I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once. You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there. Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Michael-J-Fox Richards Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 509	Posted - 2016.10.13 00:17:00 - [32] - Quote Consoles are dead pleb, join the pc master race or be forgotten Dude did you hear about charlie sheen
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2964	Posted - 2016.10.13 00:32:00 - [33] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Consoles are dead pleb, join the pc master race or be forgotten That's cool :) My above points stand Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 8022	Posted - 2016.10.13 00:50:00 - [34] - Quote Consoles are really weird lately. I would stay away until it becomes clear what direction they're heading in. Current state of the forums
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1773	Posted - 2016.10.13 00:52:00 - [35] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: LOL KILLZ wrote: Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists. There are an awful lot of assumptions in there. First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world. Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust. Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases. Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was. If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console. To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond. I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once. You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there. Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons. "Long run" Are you sure? I really don't see how it would be difficult for Nova to compete on PC or gain a large following. Nova in the right steps could achieve the retention and numbers of CS:GO just by having solid Strongbox system and skins. AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... " Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 16070	Posted - 2016.10.13 01:20:00 - [36] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: LOL KILLZ wrote: Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists. There are an awful lot of assumptions in there. First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world. Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust. Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases. Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was. If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console. To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond. I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once. You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there. Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons. They may not be able to play both games at the exact same time, but there is nothing that says they can't switch back and forth between the two. When I played Dust, I didn't always ONLY play Dust. I often played other games during that time frame too. I might play a game or two of Dust before work, then on my off days play a different game. I did the same with other shooters, as they were often quick games, but didn't provide the narrative depth of other games, or just didn't have the type of game play I was looking for at that moment. That may not be true for you, and for many, but it will be true for some. EVE has such a large audience that there will be some that play both. Even the ones that aren't even interested in FPS may have friends that have no interest in EVE that they can bring in to Nova. It may even give EVE players who have unsubed something to do until they feel like getting back into EVE. There are numerous possibilities, and the notion that Nova will somehow truly cannibalize EVE players is unrealistic at scale. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2964	Posted - 2016.10.13 04:09:00 - [37] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: LOL KILLZ wrote: Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists. There are an awful lot of assumptions in there. First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world. Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust. Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases. Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was. If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console. To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond. I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once. You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there. Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons. They may not be able to play both games at the exact same time, but there is nothing that says they can't switch back and forth between the two. When I played Dust, I didn't always ONLY play Dust. I often played other games during that time frame too. I might play a game or two of Dust before work, then on my off days play a different game. I did the same with other shooters, as they were often quick games, but didn't provide the narrative depth of other games, or just didn't have the type of game play I was looking for at that moment. That may not be true for you, and for many, but it will be true for some. EVE has such a large audience that there will be some that play both. Even the ones that aren't even interested in FPS may have friends that have no interest in EVE that they can bring in to Nova. It may even give EVE players who have unsubed something to do until they feel like getting back into EVE. There are numerous possibilities, and the notion that Nova will somehow truly cannibalize EVE players is unrealistic at scale. Don't be ridiculous! Dust 2 cannot simply be populated by EVE alt's. It needs it's own player base, it's own identity, albeit interconnected with the EVE community. Yes many players will play both and that's not a bad thing, but each game needs it's own independent dedicated player bases to survive. The console demographic is the perfect target for the EVE-FPS. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14234	Posted - 2016.10.13 04:19:00 - [38] - Quote Balancing KBM vs. controllers is asking for community dissatisfaction and eventual meltdown. Plus myriad other reasons the game project nova will become should stay well away from consoles. Not going to rehash them all because this dead horse has been beaten to a 15m deep crater. PC is the one true home for project nova... Hell, probably should have been for DUST 514 too. My advice to you, playa.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2964	Posted - 2016.10.13 04:23:00 - [39] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: LOL KILLZ wrote: Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists. There are an awful lot of assumptions in there. First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world. Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust. Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases. Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was. If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console. To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond. I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once. You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there. Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons. "Long run" Are you sure? I really don't see how it would be difficult for Nova to compete on PC or gain a large following. Nova in the right steps could achieve the retention and numbers of CS:GO just by having solid Strongbox system and skins. ... It will never rival CS:GO because of strongboxes and skins... Ridiculous that you even said that... All modern shooters are coming out with strongboxes and skins... CS:GO and Dust aren't even remotely similar... you think an MLG oriented lobby shooter is going to compete with an MMOFPS?! Consoles are home to millions and millions of primarily FPS focused players who are completely starved for a good shooter! All they get are over-priced DLC-filled big budget titles that expire after one year. COD, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. etc. etc. The PC demographic by contrast is depleted! Most PC gamers are already focused on games they like, you'd have a much harder time breaking out there. On PC you're not only competing with all the great shooter games consoles don't have access to, you're competing with DOTA, Starcraft 2, Total War, Age of Empires, Sim City, KSP, World of ******* Warcraft etc. etc. etc.... It's all about volume fella's, it's what brings the most possible people into this universe that's the best for all of us. That's definitely through the consoles. Hence the title of my thread, I'm hoping It's on CCP's radar.. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Michael-J-Fox Richards Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 511	Posted - 2016.10.13 04:36:00 - [40] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: LOL KILLZ wrote: Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists. There are an awful lot of assumptions in there. First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world. Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust. Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases. Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was. If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console. To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond. I've seen others bring up "EVE players already have PC's and they would play Nova" as well... But that's very flawed logic and I'm surprised it's been brought up more than once. You realize these players can't play both games at once right? If we lose an EVE player to gain a Dust player does that help either game?... That's why CCP needs to reach out to other audiences and bring them, a perfect place to find this audience is on the consoles, which vastly outnumber the amount of gaming PC's out there. Let me be clear - I fully understand that it may be easiest to develop on PC first, and then bring to consoles later on, but the consoles are the best place for this shooter to exist in the long run, for multiple reasons. "Long run" Are you sure? I really don't see how it would be difficult for Nova to compete on PC or gain a large following. Nova in the right steps could achieve the retention and numbers of CS:GO just by having solid Strongbox system and skins. ... It will never rival CS:GO because of strongboxes and skins... Ridiculous that you even said that... All modern shooters are coming out with strongboxes and skins... CS:GO and Dust aren't even remotely similar... you think an MLG oriented lobby shooter is going to compete with an MMOFPS?! Consoles are home to millions and millions of primarily FPS focused players who are completely starved for a good shooter! All they get are over-priced DLC-filled big budget titles that expire after one year. COD, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. etc. etc. The PC demographic by contrast is depleted! Most PC gamers are already focused on games they like, you'd have a much harder time breaking out there. On PC you're not only competing with all the great shooter games consoles don't have access to, you're competing with DOTA, Starcraft 2, Total War, Age of Empires, Sim City, KSP, World of ******* Warcraft etc. etc. etc.... It's all about volume fella's, it's what brings the most possible people into this universe that's the best for all of us. That's definitely through the consoles. Hence the title of my thread, I'm hoping It's on CCP's radar.. Nope ok thanks bye Dude did you hear about charlie sheen

Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2968	Posted - 2016.10.13 04:41:00 - [41] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Nope ok thanks bye Wait a minute... didn't I already make you look silly at the beginning of this thread? ... yup. lol And you're one of those that tries really hard to troll? Lol, don't worry you'll get the hang of it. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1773	Posted - 2016.10.13 04:53:00 - [42] - Quote I was referring to the crowd that gets easily addicted or spends money on virtual skins/ loot boxes. Those Nova could easily get, being MMOFPS is just a bonus. I'm sure Nova will do well in the numbers on PC, a F2P is hard to kill and if it keeps its customization and universe it will stand out. AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... " Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2968	Posted - 2016.10.13 04:57:00 - [43] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: I was referring to the crowd that gets easily addicted or spends money on virtual skins/ loot boxes. Those Nova could easily get, being MMOFPS is just a bonus. I'm sure Nova will do well in the numbers on PC, a F2P is hard to kill and if it keeps its customization and universe it will stand out. Ahh, Well the dropboxes were an interesting touch, but all the big games do that now so it's nothing unique. What kept me coming back was the persistent universe, which no other shooter has in the same way. I just don't think it'll be able to stand out amongst all the PC competition, or gather enough players to really be as succesful as it should be if it remains PC exclusive. Less players and more competition. Remember also Dust has a really bad rap and was critically panned. There will be reluctance to really give it a fair shot.... guess we'll see. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Michael-J-Fox Richards Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 511	Posted - 2016.10.13 05:44:00 - [44] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Nope ok thanks bye Wait a minute... didn't I already make you look silly at the beginning of this thread? ... yup. lol And you're one of those that tries really hard to troll? Lol, don't worry you'll get the hang of it. You called me a tryhard and the whole past two pages of this thread is you posting near biblical sized paragraphs upon paragraphs, debating people on something so lame as console viability, you're a fruitloop Dude did you hear about charlie sheen
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2968	Posted - 2016.10.13 05:54:00 - [45] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Nope ok thanks bye Wait a minute... didn't I already make you look silly at the beginning of this thread? ... yup. lol And you're one of those that tries really hard to troll? Lol, don't worry you'll get the hang of it. You called me a tryhard and the whole past two pages of this thread is you posting near biblical sized paragraphs upon paragraphs, debating people on something so lame as console viability, you're a fruitloop This is a forum for us to come to and discuss a game we like, which we're doing :) You on the other hand... are here to try and type rude things to people?... lol I'd say you're 0/3. Go home please :) Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1218	Posted - 2016.10.13 08:02:00 - [46] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it... And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in. Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one. Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do. My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive. Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC" Well....there are actually already many games that have Cross-Play so that's really not that big of a hype. They tried to hype that with Dust and it blew up in their faces because it was rushed because they wanted to be the first. Developing now with PS4 in mind is basically saying "Ok well we already have a defined upper limit of what we can do" which honestly is not going to be a good way to develop the kind of game it should be. It should be "Ok we made the game we wanted, now will it work on PS4 or should we wait till PS5?" I mean...I want Nova to be everything it possibly can be, so why put a hard limit on it from the start? You're not giving the modern consoles enough credit. Have you seen graphics comparisons? The capabilities of PS4 and XB are more than capable to run anything that needs to be run. Dust was great on the PS3, now on PS4 it can be 100X better. I'm happy with that. I don't care if a blade of grass can have 10 times more polygons on the PC, that's not really that important to me. The pro's outweigh the cons regarding placing the game on consoles IMO Also, to my knowledge there is currently no cross-play between PS-XB. XB recently did the play anywhere thing with windows which allows all XB games played on windows, that's what's getting the ball rolling here. That's either gonna kill Sony, or Sony will be forced to join in. Developers are also pushing them for it. Once it happens there's no turning back. Full cross-play is the future Pokey's conversation has me thinking about logistical caps, not hardware caps. I agree with the argument that modern day consoles are trending to be on-par with modest laptops. But think back to the logistical issues that DUST faced during its PS3 days. CCP can't patch when they want (or need to), for example. Furthermore, focusing in on the hardware differences, computers will always have more under the hood than consoles - even if the differential between them shrinks. So I would reiterate Pokey's point again: if you had the option for more room, power, and freedom to work with, why wouldn't you take it? I'm sure they will. The PC will be the development platform, and all CCP needs to do is keep the basics within the capability of the latest console they've ported to, to ensure it can still run on it. Things like graphics, which can be awesome on PC, can still be dialed down both there and on consoles.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10556	Posted - 2016.10.13 10:50:00 - [47] - Quote remembers Foxfour tweet *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2987	Posted - 2016.10.13 14:10:00 - [48] - Quote Joel II X wrote: remembers Foxfour tweet "doesn't remember Foxfour tweet" Link? Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Mobius Wyvern Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8462	Posted - 2016.10.13 14:17:00 - [49] - Quote Guys, you CANNOT link a console and PC shooter. At all. Ever. By any means. Period. How many times are we going to need to go back over the fact that raw mouse input is required for PC shooters and no amount of aim assist will let controllers compete? Or that even if you put in enough aim assist you'd alienate both sides because no one wants a shooter to be aiming for them whether it's to their benefit or not? Console access to New Eden remains - in limited capacity - in the form of EVE: Valkyrie. That is a safe platform for that interaction because the game has no influence on EVE Online and is based around a gameplay style that mice give no advantage to, meaning that Console and PC players can play it together with neither side feeling like the interaction is unfair. There won't initially be a shared friend's list or cross-platform comms, but those can come with time. The concept of a New Eden FPS on Consoles is DEAD. I realize that's going to keep making people say that doing this would be innovative, but there's a reason that some forms of innovation aren't attempted. Sometimes doing what hasn't been done before just for the sake of doing so can end up sinking your project. Anyone remember Shadowrun? Anyone remember how absolutely **** on all the XBox Live players were? That is the ONLY possible outcome. Any attempt to nerf mouse tracking for PC players or introduce massive aim-assist for Console players will only further bury the game. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14234	Posted - 2016.10.13 14:20:00 - [50] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Joel II X wrote: remembers Foxfour tweet "doesn't remember Foxfour tweet" Link? I can't remember if he deleted the tweet or not, but he said "**** consoles". It eventually led to him creating a personal Twitter account so he can share his own personal opinions without that view being directly connected to CCP. Speaks to dev's opinions of developing for consoles My advice to you, playa.

Michael-J-Fox Richards Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 511	Posted - 2016.10.13 15:02:00 - [51] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Joel II X wrote: remembers Foxfour tweet "doesn't remember Foxfour tweet" Link? I can't remember if he deleted the tweet or not, but he said "**** consoles". It eventually led to him creating a personal Twitter account so he can share his own personal opinions without that view being directly connected to CCP. Speaks to dev's opinions of developing for consoles Forgive the grainy pic. Ha ha ha Dude did you hear about charlie sheen
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2987	Posted - 2016.10.13 17:52:00 - [52] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Joel II X wrote: remembers Foxfour tweet "doesn't remember Foxfour tweet" Link? I can't remember if he deleted the tweet or not, but he said "**** consoles". It eventually led to him creating a personal Twitter account so he can share his own personal opinions without that view being directly connected to CCP. Speaks to dev's opinions of developing for consoles Forgive the grainy pic. Ha ha ha Lol, something funny brat? Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14239	Posted - 2016.10.13 17:59:00 - [53] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Lol, something funny brat? Yes, it is funny. "** consoles" seems to put a nice bow on CCP's sentiments for the console market. The one exception being EVE Valkyrie, which I wager they did because PSVR is more affordable than PC VR options and therefore more likely to succeed. Project nova doesn't seem to be offering a VR experience so chances of CCP stooping into the console market again are somewhere between "**" and "all". My advice to you, playa.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2987	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:07:00 - [54] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Lol, something funny brat? Yes, it is funny. "** consoles" seems to put a nice bow on CCP's sentiments for the console market. The one exception being EVE Valkyrie, which I wager they did because PSVR is more affordable than PC VR options and therefore more likely to succeed. Project nova doesn't seem to be offering a VR experience so chances of CCP stooping into the console market again are somewhere between "**" and "all". Stooping to the bigger player base? Interesting.... ;) Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14239	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:18:00 - [55] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Stooping to the bigger player base? Interesting... ;) Okay, yes, the playerbase becomes larger. Then they must develop two sets of code. They also have to deal with console generations and porting over the game from PS4 to 5 and then 6 and so on. The PS4 Pro offers more powerful hardware, but Sony has said the PS4 Pro will be able to play PS4 games so CCP cannot count on the PS4 Pro's hardware and must then develop with inferior hardware in mind. THEN you have yet to offer an explanation for cross-play between console and PC players and the massive precision differences between KBM and controller. And if you "Well there just won't be cross play" so you are segregating console players; the PC nova mercs can interact with EVE and what not. Console players could not because then they would have to deal with KBM players. OR the differences in update cadence. A console community will forever be operating a few days or weeks behind the PC players. So what, you slow down PC updates so consoles can keep up due to Sony's QA policies? Sounds pretty ******. TL;DR - My advice to you, playa.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2987	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:26:00 - [56] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Stooping to the bigger player base? Interesting... ;) Okay, yes, the playerbase becomes larger. Then they must develop two sets of code. They also have to deal with console generations and porting over the game from PS4 to 5 and then 6 and so on. The PS4 Pro offers more powerful hardware, but Sony has said the PS4 Pro will be able to play PS4 games so CCP cannot count on the PS4 Pro's hardware and must then develop with inferior hardware in mind. THEN you have yet to offer an explanation for cross-play between console and PC players and the massive precision differences between KBM and controller. And if you "Well there just won't be cross play" so you are segregating console players; the PC nova mercs can interact with EVE and what not. Console players could not because then they would have to deal with KBM players. OR the differences in update cadence. A console community will forever be operating a few days or weeks behind the PC players. So what, you slow down PC updates so consoles can keep up due to Sony's QA policies? Sounds pretty ******. TL;DR - There are pro's and con's either way. Personally, I think all technical obstacles are worth overcoming to have the largest possible player base. But hey, that's me. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14240	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:30:00 - [57] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: There are pro's and con's either way. Personally, I think all technical obstacles are worth overcoming to have the largest possible player base. But hey, that's me. WoW had a massive player base, that doesn't intrinsically make it a better game. I know that isn't a perfect 1:1 example, but I'm trying to say a project nova does not need 15,000,000 players to be great. Out of curiousity, do you own a PC? If so, what kind of specs are you running? I'm discovering the vast majority of players who are demanding a console port don't own a PC. A gaming PC that can run project nova is not going to be $3k+ as some would have you believe. My advice to you, playa.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2987	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:44:00 - [58] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: There are pro's and con's either way. Personally, I think all technical obstacles are worth overcoming to have the largest possible player base. But hey, that's me. WoW had a massive player base, that doesn't intrinsically make it a better game. I know that isn't a perfect 1:1 example, but I'm trying to say a project nova does not need 15,000,000 players to be great. Out of curiousity, do you own a PC? If so, what kind of specs are you running? I'm discovering the vast majority of players who are demanding a console port don't own a PC. A gaming PC that can run project nova is not going to be $3k+ as some would have you believe. Well, we really don't know the required specs yet. No I'm not optimally set up to play an FPS on PC currently. I'm also not demanding anything, I just don't think the benefits of consoles should be overlooked entirely. WoW can't compare to this game. The Dust-EVE universe is unique, and I think would benefit tremendously to the maximum number of players. That's why matchmaking never worked for us. Also, regarding a game with a near infinite development scope, you actually could make the case that the more players (revenue) then the better game in the long run. One of Dust's biggest thorns was a tiny, isolated community that stomped out any hope of gaining new players. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8681	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:45:00 - [59] - Quote Walks in So this thread is still going? I think I left it...in...good shape.... Everything on fire Quietly slips out the door EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2987	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:47:00 - [60] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Walks in So this thread is still going? I think I left it...in...good shape.... Everything on fire Quietly slips out the door Hey, at least it's a civil discussion! Except for that bratty weasel Michael. Join the DUST STEAM GROUP



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