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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:21:00 -
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There's such potential for community growth you'd be foolish to miss out on.
Quite a few Dust players got EVE accounts pretty much just to drop OB's... and from there many were impressed by the game and did other things.
Well imagine if Dust had been ...'good' ... and each game offered an incentive to make an account in the other (IE: Reach 5M SP in Dust and get 3 months free EVE account, or some such)
The EVE player base is aging and moving on... time to harvest the next crop. If these two games were interconnected in a meaningful way they would actually feed off each other.
I recently acquired an XB1 and I can't get over how many people in my friends list (who own all the big AAA shooters) will sigh and say "... I have nothing good to play", well I'm telling you if Dust, even exactly as it was on PS3, was on XB they would be playing that.
Dust had by far the best 'reason to keep playing mechanic' of any shooter ever (IMO), unfortunately bu contrast you had to endure one of the worst NPE's of any shooter to really see it.
There is just so... much... potential we're missing out on by walking away from consoles completely....
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Michael-J-Fox Richards
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:31:00 -
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Nope aint happenin, they a pc company anyway. There are littlerally thousands of grown men who throw down real money every single paycheck on plex and other garbage in that pay to win subscription based game. (Eve on pc)
This one single product kept them fed for years. You think they give a **** about some twerpy little pleb on some completely abandoned forum for some half cocked now defunct game thats several generations old by now?
Get the **** outta here
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Talos Vagheitan
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Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote:Nope aint happenin, they a pc company anyway. There are littlerally thousands of grown men who throw down real money every single paycheck on plex and other garbage in that pay to win subscription based game.
This one single product kept them fed for years. You think they give a **** about some twerpy little pleb on some completely abandoned forum for some half cocked now defunct game thats several generations old by now?
Get the **** outta here
Lol. Your parents must be proud.
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote:Nope aint happenin, they a pc company anyway. There are littlerally thousands of grown men who throw down real money every single paycheck on plex and other garbage in that pay to win subscription based game.
This one single product kept them fed for years. You think they give a **** about some twerpy little pleb on some completely abandoned forum for some half cocked now defunct game thats several generations old by now?
Get the **** outta here Lol. Your parents must be proud. He's being so negative lately...
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:47:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote:Nope aint happenin, they a pc company anyway. There are littlerally thousands of grown men who throw down real money every single paycheck on plex and other garbage in that pay to win subscription based game.
This one single product kept them fed for years. You think they give a **** about some twerpy little pleb on some completely abandoned forum for some half cocked now defunct game thats several generations old by now?
Get the **** outta here Lol. Your parents must be proud. He's being so negative lately...
Probably just attention craving... Anyways, enough about forum brats.
"Nova" would boom on consoles, I hope it can be ported one day.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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True that. Nova would surely boom on consoles: the only game which would be in direct competition with Nova would be Planetside 2, and it's not doing so well lately. For a couple reasons actually: it's a fairly old game and its gameplay mechanics require a huge number of players, so it's not even fun anymore most of the times. Nova would surely attract a swarm of people downloading it at day-1, since it would be the "other new free to play game on ps4" and possibly, if mechanics and gameplay are good enough new people would stick to it.
We must be honest, although on PC you have the freedom to do pretty much anything you want with the game and you don't have to worry about newer generations coming, about developing on older generations etc, you have a huge direct competition about free to play in general- and in particular on MMOFPS/Online Shooters.
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 16:48:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True that. Nova would surely boom on consoles: the only game which would be in direct competition with Nova would be Planetside 2, and it's not doing so well lately. For a couple reasons actually: it's a fairly old game and its gameplay mechanics require a huge number of players, so it's not even fun anymore most of the times. Nova would surely attract a swarm of people downloading it at day-1, since it would be the "other new free to play game on ps4" and possibly, if mechanics and gameplay are good enough new people would stick to it.
We must be honest, although on PC you have the freedom to do pretty much anything you want with the game and you don't have to worry about newer generations coming, about developing on older generations etc, you have a huge direct competition about free to play in general- and in particular on MMOFPS/Online Shooters.
Honestly, this industry is in decline. The big publishers are pushing less and less content for more and more cost, also jamming micro-transactions and season passes down peoples throats etc... Remember how much free content we got with Dust?
There is nothing good to compete with Dust on consoles. Battlefront, Battlefield, Halo are all now micro-transaction tarnished cash-grabs. Micro-transactions don't belong in a game that you pay full price for. If I pay FULL price I should get the FULL game!
Anyways, Dust had a very respectable and fair micro-transaction system, which would also be HUGE when players are now expected to pay HUNDREDS for the game+DLC's, and these games pretty much only last a year! Especially in this tight economy, no better bang for your buck than Dust.
Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless
PC and STEAM also have so many great Indie titles to compete with Nova (Angels Fall First!?), compared to the barren desolate wasteland of good games on the consoles.
CCP are FOOLS for not seeing this
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:11:00 -
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While i would love if a well developed Nova was ultimately ported to a console, I can't deny the fact that given the lifecycle of the game as well as CCP's rather slow development cycle, the PC makes far more sense initially, even if there is a market for money on the console. I mean sure they could put it on PS4 at launch, but how long until we're at the same point we were on DUST with the game being held back by an aging PS4? Already you have games with crossplay on PC and PS4 and the PC version is held back on features because the PS4 cant handle more.
Id rather they get Nova to a well developed and released state before pushing it out to consoles, and by then it would probably make more sense to wait till the next gen past PS4/XBONE
Also slight issue with the XBONE, see while Microsoft has finally allowed games to be crossplay with PC and PS4 (they didn't allow it at all before which is why Dust never made it to the 360...CCP wanted to do it but Microsoft wouldn't allow it to interact with EVE because its on a different platform), it is in their policy that the developers MUST include an option to let XBox players play with only Xbox if they so choose, which could become exceedingly problematic for a single-shard universe like New Eden.
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:16:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:While i would love if a well developed Nova was ultimately ported to a console, I can't deny the fact that given the lifecycle of the game as well as CCP's rather slow development cycle, the PC makes far more sense initially, even if there is a market for money on the console. I mean sure they could put it on PS4 at launch, but how long until we're at the same point we were on DUST with the game being held back by an aging PS4? Already you have games with crossplay on PC and PS4 and the PC version is held back on features because the PS4 cant handle more.
Id rather they get Nova to a well developed and released state before pushing it out to consoles, and by then it would probably make more sense to wait till the next gen past PS4/XBONE
Also slight issue with the XBONE, see while Microsoft has finally allowed games to be crossplay with PC and PS4 (they didn't allow it at all before which is why Dust never made it to the 360...CCP wanted to do it but Microsoft wouldn't allow it to interact with EVE because its on a different platform), it is in their policy that the developers MUST include an option to let XBox players play with only Xbox if they so choose, which could become exceedingly problematic for a single-shard universe like New Eden.
The consoles are at the beginning of their lives, and given that the previous generation lasted a decade, I'd say that's plenty of time to launch a successful game. If you're worried PS4 will be "old" in 2026 I'm sure that's a bridge we can cross when we get to it...
Not to mention Sony and Microsoft are already upgrading their consoles, which could happen again in the future. Hardware won't be a problem.
Crossplay is inevitable. Developers are pushing hard for it, Rocket league dev's are waiting for Sony's green light, Frontier already has limited cross-play with Elite Dangerous and plans to expand... It's only a matter of time. Because it didn't work the first time is no reason to give up.
I agree tho that it could be beneficial to establish on PC first, and THEN port to consoles, as long as it would happen eventually....
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:18:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:
Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless
This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!".
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There's actually a really good episode of Extra Credits on their predicted future for console gaming. The long and short of it is that console gaming is the new coin-operated gaming, and will soon take a back seat to gaming that only requires and internet connection.
You should check the video out yourself, but it was a convincing argument to me. Eventually it will be weird for a company to say "you need to buy this piece of plastic to play your games", especially with more and more portable options becoming powerful enough to play interesting games in their own right. Just look at Infinity Blade III for iOS to see how far the mobile gaming industry has come in under a decade.
All of this to say, I think that I would love Nova on a console, but I also think that porting the game to consoles would not be a very good long term strategy (and I've been exclusively console all of my life).
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:22:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:
Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless
This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!".
The logic is this.
Most "PC Gamers" I would say are aware of EVE online, and have made up their mind in whether or not they want to play it. Also, many "PC Gamers" would also have their minds made up if they want to try a shooter in the New Eden universe, especially considering the saturation of decent immersive shooters and space games on steam.
By contrast, I'd say most "Console players" are quite oblivious to EVE, and therefore are a totally untapped audience. If "Nova" became successful on console and players became invested, then they would be far more likely to say "Hey, let's check out this EVE game to supplement our Nova corporation, this world is cool, I'd like to see more of it". ==== More players for each game, more money for CCP, more development budget, better game, happier gamers... etc.
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Pokey Dravon
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:
The consoles are at the beginning of their lives, and given that the previous generation lasted a decade, I'd say that's plenty of time to launch a successful game. If you're worried PS4 will be "old" in 2026 I'm sure that's a bridge we can cross when we get to it...
Oh it most definitly will be "old" and likely out of production by 2026.
PS3 Launched Late 2006/Early 2007 Dust514 launched 20013, but was in active development for PS3 for a couple years before that, so lets say 2011, or 4 years after the PS3's launch.
PS4 released in Late 2013, it is now Late 2016, so 3 years ago. So if the began development for the PS4 version of the game sometime next year, you're not too far off from when they started development of Dust514 for the PS3.
See my concern? And as for the PS4 Pro, while it is more powerful, Sony does not allow games to be PS4 Pro exclusive, so Nova would need to be compatible with the base PS4 anyways.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:29:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:
Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless
This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!". The logic is this. Most "PC Gamers" I would say are aware of EVE online, and have made up their mind in whether or not they want to play it. Also, many "PC Gamers" would also have their minds made up if they want to try a shooter in the New Eden universe, especially considering the saturation of decent immersive shooters and space games on steam. By contrast, I'd say most "Console players" are quite oblivious to EVE, and therefore are a totally untapped audience. If "Nova" became successful on console and players became invested, then they would be far more likely to say "Hey, let's check out this EVE game to supplement our Nova corporation, this world is cool, I'd like to see more of it". ==== More players for each game, more money for CCP, more development budget, better game, happier gamers... etc.
So you expect a large number of the console population to purchase a different platform to play a different iteration of New Eden? If that were the case, would there not have been a massive influx of EVE players buying PS3 when DUST was released to do the same thing? Because there wasn't and its the same mindset, just going the other direction.
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:31:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:
The consoles are at the beginning of their lives, and given that the previous generation lasted a decade, I'd say that's plenty of time to launch a successful game. If you're worried PS4 will be "old" in 2026 I'm sure that's a bridge we can cross when we get to it...
Oh it most definitly will be "old" and likely out of production by 2026. PS3 Launched Late 2006/Early 2007 Dust514 launched 20013, but was in active development for PS3 for a couple years before that, so lets say 2011, or 4 years after the PS3's launch. PS4 released in Late 2013, it is now Late 2016, so 3 years ago. So if the began development for the PS4 version of the game sometime next year, you're not too far off from when they started development of Dust514 for the PS3. See my concern? And as for the PS4 Pro, while it is more powerful, Sony does not allow games to be PS4 Pro exclusive, so Nova would need to be compatible with the base PS4 anyways.
The hardware doesn't concern me one bit. I'd be satisfied if graphics never improved from this point on, it's time for gameplay to catch up.
There is plenty of time for a shooter to live out it's life happily ever after on the current consoles. If the "next" gen comes out during "Nova's" life-span, then we have the technology to port to a different platform.
Dust could have been ported had it been more successful commercially, but they scrapped the whole project.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:33:00 -
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Dust needed to be scrapped.
Some people may have been satisfied with the poorly designed core systems, but the majority of the industry would find them largely unacceptable. Starting from scratch with Nova is absolutely the best thing they could have done for the franchise.
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:34:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:
Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless
This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!". The logic is this. Most "PC Gamers" I would say are aware of EVE online, and have made up their mind in whether or not they want to play it. Also, many "PC Gamers" would also have their minds made up if they want to try a shooter in the New Eden universe, especially considering the saturation of decent immersive shooters and space games on steam. By contrast, I'd say most "Console players" are quite oblivious to EVE, and therefore are a totally untapped audience. If "Nova" became successful on console and players became invested, then they would be far more likely to say "Hey, let's check out this EVE game to supplement our Nova corporation, this world is cool, I'd like to see more of it". ==== More players for each game, more money for CCP, more development budget, better game, happier gamers... etc. So you expect a large number of the console population to purchase a different platform to play a different iteration of New Eden? If that were the case, would there not have been a massive influx of EVE players buying PS3 when DUST was released to do the same thing? Because there wasn't and its the same mindset, just going the other direction.
That actually did happen... Many EVE players bought PS3's... and Many Dust players got into EVE on the PC's they had (EVE ran on my dingy old laptop, no need to buy new equipment)... Dust was a semi-flop tho so retention wasn't the greatest either way.
If Dust had a large player base this would have been a lot more noticeable, also, if they had a meaningful Dust-Eve link so the games had more reason to be involved with each other then the crossover would have been huge.
CCP pooped the bed tho in that regard... now is the chance to learn from the mistakes and do it properly this time.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:38:00 -
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And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in.
Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one.
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:42:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it...
And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in.
Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one.
Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do.
My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive.
Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC"
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:44:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it...
And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in.
Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one. Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do. My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive. Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC"
Well....there are actually already many games that have Cross-Play so that's really not that big of a hype. They tried to hype that with Dust and it blew up in their faces because it was rushed because they wanted to be the first.
Developing now with PS4 in mind is basically saying "Ok well we already have a defined upper limit of what we can do" which honestly is not going to be a good way to develop the kind of game it should be. It should be "Ok we made the game we wanted, now will it work on PS4 or should we wait till PS5?"
I mean...I want Nova to be everything it possibly can be, so why put a hard limit on it from the start?
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:51:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it...
And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in.
Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one. Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do. My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive. Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC" Well....there are actually already many games that have Cross-Play so that's really not that big of a hype. They tried to hype that with Dust and it blew up in their faces because it was rushed because they wanted to be the first. Developing now with PS4 in mind is basically saying "Ok well we already have a defined upper limit of what we can do" which honestly is not going to be a good way to develop the kind of game it should be. It should be "Ok we made the game we wanted, now will it work on PS4 or should we wait till PS5?" I mean...I want Nova to be everything it possibly can be, so why put a hard limit on it from the start?
You're not giving the modern consoles enough credit. Have you seen graphics comparisons? The capabilities of PS4 and XB are more than capable to run anything that needs to be run. Dust was great on the PS3, now on PS4 it can be 100X better. I'm happy with that. I don't care if a blade of grass can have 10 times more polygons on the PC, that's not really that important to me. The pro's outweigh the cons regarding placing the game on consoles IMO
Also, to my knowledge there is currently no cross-play between PS-XB.
XB recently did the play anywhere thing with windows which allows all XB games played on windows, that's what's getting the ball rolling here. That's either gonna kill Sony, or Sony will be forced to join in. Developers are also pushing them for it.
Once it happens there's no turning back. Full cross-play is the future
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:57:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it...
And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in.
Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one. Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do. My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive. Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC" Well....there are actually already many games that have Cross-Play so that's really not that big of a hype. They tried to hype that with Dust and it blew up in their faces because it was rushed because they wanted to be the first. Developing now with PS4 in mind is basically saying "Ok well we already have a defined upper limit of what we can do" which honestly is not going to be a good way to develop the kind of game it should be. It should be "Ok we made the game we wanted, now will it work on PS4 or should we wait till PS5?" I mean...I want Nova to be everything it possibly can be, so why put a hard limit on it from the start? You're not giving the modern consoles enough credit. Have you seen graphics comparisons? The capabilities of PS4 and XB are more than capable to run anything that needs to be run. Dust was great on the PS3, now on PS4 it can be 100X better. I'm happy with that. I don't care if a blade of grass can have 10 times more polygons on the PC, that's not really that important to me. The pro's outweigh the cons regarding placing the game on consoles IMO Also, to my knowledge there is currently no cross-play between PS-XB. XB recently did the play anywhere thing with windows which allows all XB games played on windows, that's what's getting the ball rolling here. That's either gonna kill Sony, or Sony will be forced to join in. Developers are also pushing them for it. Once it happens there's no turning back. Full cross-play is the future
Pokey's conversation has me thinking about logistical caps, not hardware caps. I agree with the argument that modern day consoles are trending to be on-par with modest laptops. But think back to the logistical issues that DUST faced during its PS3 days. CCP can't patch when they want (or need to), for example.
Furthermore, focusing in on the hardware differences, computers will always have more under the hood than consoles - even if the differential between them shrinks. So I would reiterate Pokey's point again: if you had the option for more room, power, and freedom to work with, why wouldn't you take it?
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:02:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it...
And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in.
Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one. Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do. My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive. Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC" Well....there are actually already many games that have Cross-Play so that's really not that big of a hype. They tried to hype that with Dust and it blew up in their faces because it was rushed because they wanted to be the first. Developing now with PS4 in mind is basically saying "Ok well we already have a defined upper limit of what we can do" which honestly is not going to be a good way to develop the kind of game it should be. It should be "Ok we made the game we wanted, now will it work on PS4 or should we wait till PS5?" I mean...I want Nova to be everything it possibly can be, so why put a hard limit on it from the start? You're not giving the modern consoles enough credit. Have you seen graphics comparisons? The capabilities of PS4 and XB are more than capable to run anything that needs to be run. Dust was great on the PS3, now on PS4 it can be 100X better. I'm happy with that. I don't care if a blade of grass can have 10 times more polygons on the PC, that's not really that important to me. The pro's outweigh the cons regarding placing the game on consoles IMO Also, to my knowledge there is currently no cross-play between PS-XB. XB recently did the play anywhere thing with windows which allows all XB games played on windows, that's what's getting the ball rolling here. That's either gonna kill Sony, or Sony will be forced to join in. Developers are also pushing them for it. Once it happens there's no turning back. Full cross-play is the future Pokey's conversation has me thinking about logistical caps, not hardware caps. I agree with the argument that modern day consoles are trending to be on-par with modest laptops. But think back to the logistical issues that DUST faced during its PS3 days. CCP can't patch when they want (or need to), for example. Furthermore, focusing in on the hardware differences, computers will always have more under the hood than consoles - even if the differential between them shrinks. So I would reiterate Pokey's point again: if you had the option for more room, power, and freedom to work with, why wouldn't you take it?
I just don't think the game would suffer under the "limitations" of the consoles, in fact it would benefit from the vastly larger player base. The experiences between platforms on BF4 for example are virtually the same on PC and consoles
How good to "graphics" need to be for a game to be good? Aren't other things more important? There are hurdles to overcome, like patch schedules etc. But to me that's a trade-off that's well worth it to have tripled your player base (estimate), and draw more attention to EVE.
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:03:00 -
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I guess I just speak from personal experience of PC games being limited in features because of their console counterparts in both graphics and features, but that could be considered anecdotal. My concern isn't graphics, I mean **** I've been playing 7 Days to Die on PS4 and that's hilariously ugly. I'm more concerned about features and other limitations. For example DOOM's map editior, while robust, is clearly held back due to console compatibility due to other PC exclusive map builders being able to handle FAR more. (to clarify you can't simultaneously play the maps across consoles/PC but maps built work on all platforms)
Either way my concern isnt really the cross play between consoles, and I don't think "OMG FIRST" is really going to net anyone much hype. I mean **** they release Titanfall 2 on both PS4 and XBONE and the Xboys lose their minds in a fit of rage over loss of exclusivity. Lots of silly animosity between the two group for some reason.
Also I apologize, I didn't specifically mean between PS and Xbox for the cross play. i was more referring to cross play with consoles and PC.
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:07:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:
Either way my concern isnt really the cross play between consoles, and I don't think "OMG FIRST" is really going to net anyone much hype. I mean **** they release Titanfall 2 on both PS4 and XBONE and the Xboys lose their minds in a fit of rage over loss of exclusivity. Lots of silly animosity between the two group for some reason.
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You've just pointed out another massive benefit of full cross-play...
Pit the fanboys against each other. Market this thing as the answer to the REAL (figurative) console wars. Realease an exclusive skin to each console and watch the console loyalist corps pop up and battle each other. The hype train would be unstoppable.
That would be awesome, and we'd all benefit.
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:08:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Either way my concern isnt really the cross play between consoles, and I don't think "OMG FIRST" is really going to net anyone much hype. I mean **** they release Titanfall 2 on both PS4 and XBONE and the Xboys lose their minds in a fit of rage over loss of exclusivity. Lots of silly animosity between the two group for some reason.
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You've just pointed out another massive benefit of full cross-play... Pit the fanboys against each other. Market this thing as the answer to the REAL (figurative) console wars. Realease an exclusive skin to each console and watch the console loyalist corps pop up and battle each other. The hype train would be unstoppable. That would be awesome, and we'd all benefit.
*sigh* lol ok
The issue isnt the cross play but it seems to be critical to you so I'll just say good discussion and leave it at that.
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:22:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Either way my concern isnt really the cross play between consoles, and I don't think "OMG FIRST" is really going to net anyone much hype. I mean **** they release Titanfall 2 on both PS4 and XBONE and the Xboys lose their minds in a fit of rage over loss of exclusivity. Lots of silly animosity between the two group for some reason.
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You've just pointed out another massive benefit of full cross-play... Pit the fanboys against each other. Market this thing as the answer to the REAL (figurative) console wars. Realease an exclusive skin to each console and watch the console loyalist corps pop up and battle each other. The hype train would be unstoppable. That would be awesome, and we'd all benefit. *sigh* lol ok The issue isnt the cross play but it seems to be critical to you so I'll just say good discussion and leave it at that.
Yes, cross play was really my only concern regarding the entire thread.
I feel 3-way cross play would be best case scenario for player count reasons.
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:36:00 -
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Fair enough. I won't argue that cross play would be a bad thing.
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Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists.
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LOL KILLZ wrote:Why has nobody talked about the fact that only a handful of people will buy a PC just to play Nova? I'm willing to bet it will be only you guys here on this forum. Where will CCP get more players? From their Eve player base? There will not be enough hype about Nova to actually make it marketable in any shape, way or form. In its current form there is absolutely nothing to separate it from any other lobby shooter. The hype is all us. COMPLETELY US. Because we remember the original. New peeps will have nothing to base their experience on and brush Nova off like a fly on a horse. At least on console there is a player base that actually exists. There are an awful lot of assumptions in there.
First of all, there was a lot of EVE players at FF last year interested in it, and they already have gaming PCs, and are already interested in New Eden. As a F2P game, there will always be people willing to try the game. As long as the game is fun, they will play and invest, regardless of whether or not they play EVE. Not to mention, there are plenty of people who liked the idea of EVE, but not the game play, and would try out an FPS set in the same world.
Besides, look at how few players played Dust the last few years. It was hardly anything. It certainly won't be hard to have more Nova players than Dust.
Also, you talk about it's "current form", which is a tech demo. A DEMO!!! The fact you draw any conclusions at all from a demo is like trying to decide how good a doctor a 5 yo will be. It is waaaay too early to draw any conclusions about what Nova will be like if and when it releases.
Hype is a matter of creation, marketing, and solid product. If the game is fun, people will tell their friends, and they will add to the numbers. If the game is fun, people will stay instead of abandon ship. If the game is fun, it will get good reviews on industry websites, and increase awareness. If the game is fun, CCP will put more resources towards marketing the game, and creating awareness because it won't be as risky an investment as Dust was.
If they make a good game, CCP has the tools and assets to bring in players. And after it is successful on the PC, then they will easily have the resources to port the game to a console.
To date, CCP has not stated that Nova will NEVER come to console. I am sure many of them have that idea in the back of their minds. It is just not enough for them to make any claims at this point, especially when they don't know if Nova will be green lit yet, much less anything beyond.
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