DUST Search - CCP, don't give up on consoles completely.

Talos Vagheitan wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Talos Vagheitan wrote:

Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless

This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!".

The logic is this.

Most "PC Gamers" I would say are aware of EVE online, and have made up their mind in whether or not they want to play it. Also, many "PC Gamers" would also have their minds made up if they want to try a shooter in the New Eden universe, especially considering the saturation of decent immersive shooters and space games on steam.

By contrast, I'd say most "Console players" are quite oblivious to EVE, and therefore are a totally untapped audience. If "Nova" became successful on console and players became invested, then they would be far more likely to say "Hey, let's check out this EVE game to supplement our Nova corporation, this world is cool, I'd like to see more of it". ==== More players for each game, more money for CCP, more development budget, better game, happier gamers... etc.


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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 17:11:00 - [1] - Quote While i would love if a well developed Nova was ultimately ported to a console, I can't deny the fact that given the lifecycle of the game as well as CCP's rather slow development cycle, the PC makes far more sense initially, even if there is a market for money on the console. I mean sure they could put it on PS4 at launch, but how long until we're at the same point we were on DUST with the game being held back by an aging PS4? Already you have games with crossplay on PC and PS4 and the PC version is held back on features because the PS4 cant handle more. Id rather they get Nova to a well developed and released state before pushing it out to consoles, and by then it would probably make more sense to wait till the next gen past PS4/XBONE Also slight issue with the XBONE, see while Microsoft has finally allowed games to be crossplay with PC and PS4 (they didn't allow it at all before which is why Dust never made it to the 360...CCP wanted to do it but Microsoft wouldn't allow it to interact with EVE because its on a different platform), it is in their policy that the developers MUST include an option to let XBox players play with only Xbox if they so choose, which could become exceedingly problematic for a single-shard universe like New Eden. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 17:18:00 - [2] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!". EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 17:26:00 - [3] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: The consoles are at the beginning of their lives, and given that the previous generation lasted a decade, I'd say that's plenty of time to launch a successful game. If you're worried PS4 will be "old" in 2026 I'm sure that's a bridge we can cross when we get to it... Oh it most definitly will be "old" and likely out of production by 2026. PS3 Launched Late 2006/Early 2007 Dust514 launched 20013, but was in active development for PS3 for a couple years before that, so lets say 2011, or 4 years after the PS3's launch. PS4 released in Late 2013, it is now Late 2016, so 3 years ago. So if the began development for the PS4 version of the game sometime next year, you're not too far off from when they started development of Dust514 for the PS3. See my concern? And as for the PS4 Pro, while it is more powerful, Sony does not allow games to be PS4 Pro exclusive, so Nova would need to be compatible with the base PS4 anyways. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 17:29:00 - [4] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Consoles are also a great way to introduce thousands of new people to EVE, especially if they make the link better and require communication with EVE to run a Dust corp properly. Every PC gamer already knows about EVE, that's why it's pointless This isn't very sound logic to me. Why would it be a great way to introduce someone to a game that is on a different platform that the player may not even own? I mean they might own both, I personally do, but many do not. Seems like you're saying "Oh look at this other great game you probably can't play because its on a different platform!". The logic is this. Most "PC Gamers" I would say are aware of EVE online, and have made up their mind in whether or not they want to play it. Also, many "PC Gamers" would also have their minds made up if they want to try a shooter in the New Eden universe, especially considering the saturation of decent immersive shooters and space games on steam. By contrast, I'd say most "Console players" are quite oblivious to EVE, and therefore are a totally untapped audience. If "Nova" became successful on console and players became invested, then they would be far more likely to say "Hey, let's check out this EVE game to supplement our Nova corporation, this world is cool, I'd like to see more of it". ==== More players for each game, more money for CCP, more development budget, better game, happier gamers... etc. So you expect a large number of the console population to purchase a different platform to play a different iteration of New Eden? If that were the case, would there not have been a massive influx of EVE players buying PS3 when DUST was released to do the same thing? Because there wasn't and its the same mindset, just going the other direction. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 17:33:00 - [5] - Quote Dust needed to be scrapped. Some people may have been satisfied with the poorly designed core systems, but the majority of the industry would find them largely unacceptable. Starting from scratch with Nova is absolutely the best thing they could have done for the franchise. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 17:38:00 - [6] - Quote And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in. Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 17:44:00 - [7] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I think your stats on EVE players buying PS3 is overstated and anecdotal but I wont bicker about it... And largely the reason they messed it up was trying to deal with the difficulties of developing on a platform they had zero experience in, and honestly still have little experience in. Develop on PC, prove they can avoid the same issues from before, then look at options for expanding laterally. That is the plan they are going with and it is the correct one. Lol... if you say so. You apparently know more about developing a game than I do. My point is there are tremendous benefits to this game being on the consoles, whether they develop for that now, or develop on PC and port it later. They would be missing a huge opportunity by making Nova PC exclusive. Especially with cross-play looming with other games, which will likely "break the dam" and cause everyone to be cross play. CCP should push hard to get in there first, the hype alone would explode their player numbers ... "XBOX vs. PS with PC" Well....there are actually already many games that have Cross-Play so that's really not that big of a hype. They tried to hype that with Dust and it blew up in their faces because it was rushed because they wanted to be the first. Developing now with PS4 in mind is basically saying "Ok well we already have a defined upper limit of what we can do" which honestly is not going to be a good way to develop the kind of game it should be. It should be "Ok we made the game we wanted, now will it work on PS4 or should we wait till PS5?" I mean...I want Nova to be everything it possibly can be, so why put a hard limit on it from the start? EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 18:03:00 - [8] - Quote I guess I just speak from personal experience of PC games being limited in features because of their console counterparts in both graphics and features, but that could be considered anecdotal. My concern isn't graphics, I mean ** I've been playing 7 Days to Die on PS4 and that's hilariously ugly. I'm more concerned about features and other limitations. For example DOOM's map editior, while robust, is clearly held back due to console compatibility due to other PC exclusive map builders being able to handle FAR more. (to clarify you can't simultaneously play the maps across consoles/PC but maps built work on all platforms) Either way my concern isnt really the cross play between consoles, and I don't think "OMG FIRST" is really going to net anyone much hype. I mean ** they release Titanfall 2 on both PS4 and XBONE and the Xboys lose their minds in a fit of rage over loss of exclusivity. Lots of silly animosity between the two group for some reason. Also I apologize, I didn't specifically mean between PS and Xbox for the cross play. i was more referring to cross play with consoles and PC. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 18:08:00 - [9] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Either way my concern isnt really the cross play between consoles, and I don't think "OMG FIRST" is really going to net anyone much hype. I mean **** they release Titanfall 2 on both PS4 and XBONE and the Xboys lose their minds in a fit of rage over loss of exclusivity. Lots of silly animosity between the two group for some reason. . You've just pointed out another massive benefit of full cross-play... Pit the fanboys against each other. Market this thing as the answer to the REAL (figurative) console wars. Realease an exclusive skin to each console and watch the console loyalist corps pop up and battle each other. The hype train would be unstoppable. That would be awesome, and we'd all benefit. sigh lol ok The issue isnt the cross play but it seems to be critical to you so I'll just say good discussion and leave it at that. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8667	Posted - 2016.10.12 18:36:00 - [10] - Quote Fair enough. I won't argue that cross play would be a bad thing. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8681	Posted - 2016.10.13 18:45:00 - [11] - Quote Walks in So this thread is still going? I think I left it...in...good shape.... Everything on fire Quietly slips out the door EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8681	Posted - 2016.10.13 19:22:00 - [12] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Walks in So this thread is still going? I think I left it...in...good shape.... Everything on fire Quietly slips out the door Hey, at least it's a civil discussion! Except for that bratty weasel Michael. Lol I'm just being silly. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer