So, I've seen the whole Clinton / Trump debate this morning (it was late night/early morning ETZ I guess) and I had confirmations about what I was already thinking. I'm italian and I know I shouldn't really have any say on this topic since very similar movements and ideological "values" are very present in Italy and all over Europe, but, and please be brutally honest, what makes Trump so attractive? It's not a provocative question, I seriously want to know why Trump supporters are supporting him.

Most people support one of these candidates simply because they hate the other more. Both are garbage, so pick your poison.

I guess you could say Trump probably means a lot of what he says, which could be construed as sincerity in a way, rather than blabbering meaningless talking points to your voter base.

Democracy has failed.

This guy said it best, although we're all conditioned from birth to hate him and ignore everything he said... turns out he was right after all...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0F-U1vw31k

Most people support one of these candidates simply because they hate the other more. Both are garbage, so pick your poison.

Democracy is a hoax.

Were really ruled by the handful of elites with unlimited wealth while the people get poorer poorer and more divided and the endless wars rage on. Just like Orwell prophecised.

Edit: These puppets placed on the stage to debate each other mean nothing. Whoever wins, the debt will increase, the wars will continue, and it will be the same thing 4 years after this

Were really ruled by the handful of elites with unlimited wealth while the people get poorer poorer and more divided and the endless wars rage on. Just like Orwell prophecised.

I am not a Trump supporter, but I live in the SE region of the U.S. with maybe 98% of family, friends, and coworkers being staunch Republican. My opinion is painted by the history of my own past political views, experience, and in witness to the opinions of those around me. It's just an opinion.

From my observation, Trump is perceived as a political outsider that tells it like it is---their words. It is something that many can project their frustrations and biases onto and see reflections of a no-holds-barred aggressiveness that they would like to be part of. He speaks to the emotional frustration of a specific class and then targets "others" as the cause. I don't mean specifically race, nationality, or gender---his comments can be vague, but the individual will hear justification in fears that that individual may have already thought of; but when it is race, nationality, or gender, it becomes a focal point. Every loves a good witch hunt. To put it simply: he validates.

My guess is a lot of it also has to do with two simple facts: 1) He is our guy. In that sense, it's a football game. I love my team and hate yours. But that's what politics seem to be coming to regardless of sides. 2) His opponent is Hillary Clinton. She has her own history and baggage to carry. I typically lean Democratic but she gets on my nerves. I can imagine how easy it is for those already on the other side of the fence to hate her, when emotion is a strong impulse. Any word from her mouth also validates ;)

Iderno, man. Scares the sh!t out of me, TBQH.

I have to admit to having thoughts of Silvio Berlusconi when watching the US election, although Trump is probably quite a bit worse.

I think the current situation in the US is a result of political spin. The masses have come to recognize that the scripted way politicians talk is often used to obscure the truth. Since it takes too much work for under educated people to sort out what the politicians are hiding they have simply stopped believing anything the politicians say. Therefore, because Hillary Clinton is a long time politician and talks in a careful and rehearsed fashion a large portion of the US population does not believe her, even when what she says is proven to be true.

Donald Trump on the other hand does not sound anything like a politician, so people think he is honest even when the stuff he spouts off is proven again and again to be false, lies, or complete fantasies.

The distrust of politicians was exacerbated by the housing crisis and the recession which hit the White American middle class really hard. Watching their government bailing out the Banks that took their houses was a bitter pill to swallow, and made them hate the establishment in both political parties. This added to the popularity of both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders (depending on whether you leaned left or right).

Add to that a large segment of White Americans who used to feel like they are inherently better than everyone else because they are "American" and "America is great!" having to confront racial guilt as the ongoing civil rights movement continues to point out the inequities and injustices in American society. Lets face it, it just feels a whole lot better to think you are better than everyone else, than it does to feel guilty. It should not be surprising that a segment of society is sliding back into racism in order to feel better about themselves. The slogan "Make America Great Again!" actually translates into "Make White Americans fell Great Again!".

I'd consider Orwell's works more like a warning than a prophecy, much closer to Kafka than a political essay.

I am not a Trump supporter, but I live in the SE region of the U.S. with maybe 98% of family, friends, and coworkers being staunch Republican. My opinion is painted by the history of my own past political views, experience, and in witness to the opinions of those around me. It's just an opinion.

From my observation, Trump is perceived as a political outsider that tells it like it is---their words. It is something that many can project their frustrations and biases onto and see reflections of a no-holds-barred aggressiveness that they would like to be part of. He speaks to the emotional frustration of a specific class and then targets "others" as the cause. I don't mean specifically race, nationality, or gender---his comments can be vague, but the individual will hear justification in fears that that individual may have already thought of; but when it is race, nationality, or gender, it becomes a focal point. Everyone loves a good witch hunt. To put it simply: he validates.

My guess is a lot of it also has to do with two simple facts: 1) He is our guy. In that sense, it's a football game. I love my team and hate yours. But that's what politics seem to be coming to regardless of sides. 2) His opponent is Hillary Clinton. She has her own history and baggage to carry. I typically lean Democratic but she gets on my nerves. I can imagine how easy it is for those already on the other side of the fence to hate her, when emotion is a strong impulse. Any word from her mouth also validates ;)

Iderno, man. Scares the sh!t out of me, TBQH.

Still my question was another: I was asking why would people agree on some of the most extreme Trump positions? Wall, muslims, gun control, NATO and so on.

Originally meant as a warning... quickly proving to be prophecy.

But, basically, that's just witch hunting, isn't it? Are really mexicans America's problem? Is building a wall the great solution that nobody ever thought before?

Why did ****** rise to power?

Had the DNC not **** all over Bernie this would already be over, and if third party candidates weren't systematically silenced then at the very least there might be more to discuss.

I hate my country more and more with each passing day.

Good insight, thank you. I thought that such things would have never existed in America, since you're basically all immigrants (and here I'm purposefully provocative).

Between 1933 - 1936 Germany unified their country, beat the depression, eliminated unemployment/poverty, developed world class infrastructure including the still famous Autobahns, passed animal rights laws, nearly eliminated tobacco from their country and went from starvation and ruin to the best economy in Europe. Contrary to what we're taught in school/History channel, this was before significant military buildup took place.

The real reason for the war, was the bankers who own America/Britain didn't want their people to realize they could live like that. Germany had to be destroyed in order to keep this sham of Western democracy going.

That's why they maneuvered Germany into war with Poland over Danzig, and then ignored the USSR when they also invaded Poland shortly after.

Hitlers peace offers to England and France after the Poland ordeal? Completely neglected by historians.

The anti-german propaganda has been going strong ever since, so that no one would dare question how we got here today.

History is a sham.

But, basically, that's just witch hunting, isn't it? Are really mexicans America's problem? Is building a wall the great solution that nobody ever thought before?

Between 1933 - 1936 Germany unified their country, beat the depression, eliminated unemployment/poverty, developed world class infrastructure including the still famous Autobahns, passed animal rights laws, nearly eliminated tobacco from their country and went from starvation and ruin to the best economy in Europe. Contrary to what we're taught in school/History channel, this was before significant military buildup took place.

The real reason for the war, was the bankers who own America/Britain didn't want their people to realize they could live like that. Germany had to be destroyed in order to keep this sham of Western democracy going.

Hitlers peace offers to England and France after the Poland ordeal? Completely neglected by historians.

The anti-german propaganda has been going strong ever since, so that no one would dare question how we got here today.

History is a sham.

That's why they maneuvered Germany into war with Poland over Danzig

A. H. rose to power by blaming everything to the Juwes and the "inferior races", absolutely true.

When I first saw Bernie Sanders I thought he was going to win by a long shot against Clinton and then eventually win the presidential elections. But I guess this is not what "people" wanted.

True that, but if you ask me, what people usually don't get is that orwellian concepts sometimes fits even better in the "anti-enstablishment", "anti-immigrant", anti-whatever positions. We have a great example here in Italy too with Movimento 5 Stelle right now. But don't want to talk about anti-enstablishment becoming sometimes even worse than the previous-enstablishment.

They also kicked out their Rothschild owned central bank from the Weimar days, and created the Reichsbank, which allowed them to issue their own debt free currency, which is exactly how they elicited their debt.

So don't tell me a country can't function without perpetually skyrocketing debt. That's beyond ridiculous.

Other leaders who have tried to eliminate the private central banks?

- Gadaffi
- S. *******
- Assad
- Ahmedinejad
- Jong un.

Anything in common with these people?

To site a more current example of something not being taken as intended: Homer Simpson in "The Simpsons" was intended to be satire, but seems to have been taken as a role model instead. Ignorance seems to have become a desirable trait in American culture and education has become demonized. For example, in what other country would a politician be criticized for speaking more than one language?

While this is accurate...

Same goes for Italy. You might not notice it if you ever visit Italy, but most of the infrastructures, the modern justice and the highest growth rate was exactly during the fascist period. It would also be interesting that the fascist Italy was all pro-immigrants from everywhere in the world. Black-italians, asian-italians back then didn't exist. They were just italians since they accepted to "be" italian. This is, of course, due to a strong leader (read dictator) being in charge of pretty much anything, but still the ethical point with Germany here is very different. A.D. pushed policies against a certain "race" first and then pretty much against "all other races", and that's "probably" what is very wrong among with pangermanistic views.



...this is not.

If you read the Mein Kampf he clearly stated that the German people "needed the vital space"

See, Germany's example is not the best, anyway. German people are absolutely capable to stand up on their feets and recover astonishingly after every defeat: think about WWII. They lost, Germany was basically a giant ruin, but still recovered that much that right now it is the leading country in Europe.