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xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3829	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:13:00 - [31] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why did **** rise to power? Had the DNC not ** all over Bernie this would already be over, and if third party candidates weren't systematically silenced then at the very least there might be more to discuss. I hate my country more and more with each passing day. A. H. rose to power by blaming everything to the Juwes and the "inferior races", absolutely true. When I first saw Bernie Sanders I thought he was going to win by a long shot against Clinton and then eventually win the presidential elections. But I guess this is not what "people" wanted. At least that's what the History Channel tells people to believe No, ok, wait. I live in Europe, I have been in Germany for a while when there used to be quite a lot of people that remembered what was Naz.i Germany and how A.H. rose to power. I guess you'll have to believe me, but that's actually how things were. In a nutshell: they needed someone to blame, then blamed Jews banks and jews in general. Which was a slow process, it was something new for europeans since we have evidence that jews have been somehow blamed for pretty much anything in many different countries during many very different centuries. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3829	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:23:00 - [32] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Between 1933 - 1936 Germany unified their country, beat the depression, eliminated unemployment/poverty, developed world class infrastructure including the still famous Autobahns, passed animal rights laws, nearly eliminated tobacco from their country and went from starvation and ruin to the best economy in Europe. Contrary to what we're taught in school/History channel, this was before significant military buildup took place. The real reason for the war, was the bankers who own America/Britain didn't want their people to realize they could live like that. Germany had to be destroyed in order to keep this sham of Western democracy going. Hitlers peace offers to England and France after the Poland ordeal? Completely neglected by historians. The anti-german propaganda has been going strong ever since, so that no one would dare question how we got here today. History is a sham. While this is accurate... Same goes for Italy. You might not notice it if you ever visit Italy, but most of the infrastructures, the modern justice and the highest growth rate was exactly during the fascist period. It would also be interesting that the fascist Italy was all pro-immigrants from everywhere in the world. Black-italians, asian-italians back then didn't exist. They were just italians since they accepted to "be" italian. This is, of course, due to a strong leader (read dictator) being in charge of pretty much anything, but still the ethical point with Germany here is very different. A.D. pushed policies against a certain "race" first and then pretty much against "all other races", and that's "probably" what is very wrong among with pangermanistic views. Talos Vagheitan wrote: That's why they maneuvered Germany into war with Poland over Danzig ...this is not. If you read the Mein Kampf he clearly stated that the German people "needed the vital space" See, Germany's example is not the best, anyway. German people are absolutely capable to stand up on their feets and recover astonishingly after every defeat: think about WWII. They lost, Germany was basically a giant ruin, but still recovered that much that right now it is the leading country in Europe. I own Mein Kampf and have read it carefully so don't lecture me on that book. There are a few sentences used in an abstract sense where the word 'Lebensraum' Is used... mostly discussing the historical needs for nations to conquer each other in the past. however there is absolutely no mention in the book which says "Germany needs Lebensraum and must therefore conquer the world and exterminate everybody " As the history channel/schools choose to interpret it. Furthermore, A.H. Was clearly every step of the way in his intentions in the beginning. He wanted Danzig back, and Danzig wanted to rejoin Germany. Polish officials instigated the Bromberg Massacre in Danzig (sure you've never heard of it) where ethnic Germans were hunted down. A.H. Had no choice but to intervene. Britain and Frances war declarations followed suit, but what's 'hushed' by most historians is that USSR also invaded Poland, with no response by the allies. If A.H's aims were so simple and cartoonish as "take over the world and kill everyone", then why was switzerland left alone? Spain? Sweden? If he was so racist why ally with Japan? Why speak so highly of the Arabs? Why give the black American athletes the best treatment of their lives in 1936 Olympics? (Jesse Owens own words). I'll tell you why. Because almost all history on this subject is twisted to the point where you'll believe this is a world in which the "Good guys" won We'll need another Topic on that , since we're going a lot OT, I'd continue there if you wish to further talk about this. Anyway, I can't tell about the American education system, but here at least we have a clear vision of what and why. Germany surely didn't want to take over the world back then and the "good guys" didn't won, but they didn't loose either. It's not totally black nor totally white. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 2690	Posted - 2016.09.27 19:04:00 - [33] - Quote We've officially run out of topics to talk about about Dust 514. Trump=president=end of the world Life can suck, but... If there's catgirls... GÄ¥GùÑGû¦GÇ+GÇ+GùÇGùñGÄá it's good. NEKOPARA VOL.3 IN VR CONFIRMED!!! I'M FLIPPIN'!!!
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3832	Posted - 2016.09.27 19:14:00 - [34] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: We've officially run out of topics to talk about about Dust 514. Trump=president=end of the world Is it? and if you think that, why? take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
MEGA MAN7 Mr.Orange 61	Posted - 2016.09.27 20:54:00 - [35] - Quote Meanwhile... Topics on other Videogame community forums : http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/rfaerdohwzluzn0uqdgh.jpg Thats why I love this game and it's community ; You can even make quality disscossions on non game related topics!
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 8008	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:19:00 - [36] - Quote It's pretty clear that the democrats control most mainstream media as well. Not to mention that all but 1 of the debate moderators are known Clinton supporters, so there's quite a bit of bias there. Current state of the forums
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3836	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:22:00 - [37] - Quote MEGA MAN7 wrote: Meanwhile... Topics on other Videogame community forums : http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/rfaerdohwzluzn0uqdgh.jpg Thats why I love this game and it's community ; You can even make quality disscossions on non game related topics! I laughed hard. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3836	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:45:00 - [38] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It's pretty clear that the democrats control most mainstream media as well. Not to mention that all but 1 of the debate moderators are known Clinton supporters, so there's quite a bit of bias there. I wouldn't say they are "controlled" really, but there is bias to some extent. On the other side, I understand the bias, it's natural if you talk of a contradictory man like Trump, he is literally feeding the bias. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3836	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:55:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Freaking out over jobs is a frustrating thing considering right now, they're integral, but in the not so distant future, many of the basic jobs we do will be automated. If anything that's why I'm most terrified of Trump and his people, they entirely ignore facts and science unless they directly benefit them. If anyone is going to keep us from advancing technologically, it's that crowd. And that ******* terrifies me. On that topic, yesterday I somehow felt a certain degree of sarcasm when he was talking about global warming. But I'm sure a presidential candidate cannot be that close-minded. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10527	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:58:00 - [40] - Quote As you may or may not know, I'd say most of the voting population is not very informed about politics. Everyone I have talked to about politics around me seems to have the wrong idea on what a president could actually do, and if they should actually be allowed to do it, and how they would go to around doing something. Most agree that politicians are liars, yet when the elections come around, they always seem to believe that when a candidate says he's going to do something, they will get around to it eventually. Whether it is creating jobs, legalizing *******, or creating a wall with another country's money. Now, to answer your question, as other people here said, this year, it is mostly whether you not vote for Clinton, or you don't vote for Trump. Hell, when Sanders was running and dropped out, the people that were going to vote for him wanted to not vote either, which meant less votes for the Democratic party. Whatever the outcome, I'm sure America is in for one helluva ride. I'm both excited and scared. That said, Congress makes all of this a joke because they pretty much hold all power, and barely anyone votes for midterm elections. Scouts United** Gk.0s & Quafes all day.

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3838	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:35:00 - [41] - Quote Joel II X wrote: As you may or may not know, I'd say most of the voting population is not very informed about politics. Everyone I have talked to about politics around me seems to have the wrong idea on what a president could actually do, and if they should actually be allowed to do it, and how they would go to around doing something. Most agree that politicians are liars, yet when the elections come around, they always seem to believe that when a candidate says he's going to do something, they will get around to it eventually. Whether it is creating jobs, legalizing *********, or creating a wall with another country's money. Now, to answer your question, as other people here said, this year, it is mostly whether you not vote for Clinton, or you don't vote for Trump. Hell, when Sanders was running and dropped out, the people that were going to vote for him wanted to not vote either, which meant less votes for the Democratic party. Whatever the outcome, I'm sure America is in for one helluva ride. I'm both excited and scared. That said, Congress makes all of this a joke because they pretty much hold all power, and barely anyone votes for midterm elections. I am not proficient in United states governance system to be honest, but I know that the president is both the chief of the armed forces and the responsible of foreign affairs.I also heard that he likes Putin. Now that scares me a lot as a European. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10529	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:57:00 - [42] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Joel II X wrote: As you may or may not know, I'd say most of the voting population is not very informed about politics. Everyone I have talked to about politics around me seems to have the wrong idea on what a president could actually do, and if they should actually be allowed to do it, and how they would go to around doing something. Most agree that politicians are liars, yet when the elections come around, they always seem to believe that when a candidate says he's going to do something, they will get around to it eventually. Whether it is creating jobs, legalizing *******, or creating a wall with another country's money. Now, to answer your question, as other people here said, this year, it is mostly whether you not vote for Clinton, or you don't vote for Trump. Hell, when Sanders was running and dropped out, the people that were going to vote for him wanted to not vote either, which meant less votes for the Democratic party. Whatever the outcome, I'm sure America is in for one helluva ride. I'm both excited and scared. That said, Congress makes all of this a joke because they pretty much hold all power, and barely anyone votes for midterm elections. I am not proficient in United states governance system to be honest, but I know that the president is both the chief of the armed forces and the responsible of foreign affairs.I also heard that he likes Putin. Now that scares me a lot as a European. They are, but it's not like they could do whatever they want without consulting the other branches first. Well, they can get away with a few things, but most of the time, it's not a solo type of thing, otherwise it'd be a (true) monarchy haha. A perfect example that I could think of from recent times is the thing that Obama wanted, which was to legalize plenty of undocumented immigrants of they fit a couple of qualifications. It didn't get through because of Congress, I think, and so he passed an executive action which is like a half-assed way of doing things, but a way to go around the others' permissions. Well, that is my understanding of it. I'm not really too into politics. If there's anything that Americans are good at, it's playing pretend. Like pretending to like someone as to not have bad relations. Scouts United** Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13627	Posted - 2016.09.27 23:35:00 - [43] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: So, I've seen the whole Clinton / Trump debate this morning (it was late night/early morning ETZ I guess) and I had confirmations about what I was already thinking. I'm italian and I know I shouldn't really have any say on this topic since very similar movements and ideological "values" are very present in Italy and all over Europe, but, and please be brutally honest, what makes Trump so attractive? It's not a provocative question, I seriously want to know why Trump supporters are supporting him. Most people support one of these candidates simply because they hate the other more. Both are garbage, so pick your poison. I guess you could say Trump probably means a lot of what he says, which could be construed as sincerity in a way, rather than blabbering meaningless talking points to your voter base. Democracy has failed. This guy said it best, although we're all conditioned from birth to hate him and ignore everything he said... turns out he was right after all... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0F-U1vw31k Kind of like listening to Mel Gibson ramble on about how Jews were the cause of wars while drunk and arrested for DUI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson#Alcohol_abuse_and_legal_issues Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Dreis ShadowWeaver RIP DUST 514 9520	Posted - 2016.09.28 00:23:00 - [44] - Quote I think Trump is the protest vote. A lot of people feel marginalised and think that society is moving too quickly. I think that if reform was more gradual, people would be more willing to accept it. People support Trump precisely because it's ferociously shoved down their throats why they shouldn't support him. Reasonable people are voting for Trump not because they necessarily support his policies, but they haven't had the time to properly consider the policies that they feel have suddenly crept up on them. It's a knee-jerk reaction to the overpowering liberal movement. We did it for Nigel ( ; ~;)7 Come play BF4 with me on PS3! PSN: AnimeLover456 Tomoko is mai waifu
DUST Fiend 18670	Posted - 2016.09.28 00:26:00 - [45] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: It's a knee-jerk reaction Followed closely by a long settling-in of evading facts and ignoring evidence. Amusingly, I love how the right craps all over the left for being too "feely" yet this entire election has had the right doing literally nothing but voting with their feels Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3840	Posted - 2016.09.28 00:36:00 - [46] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I think Trump is the protest vote. A lot of people feel marginalised and think that society is moving too quickly. I think that if reform was more gradual, people would be more willing to accept it. People support Trump precisely because it's ferociously shoved down their throats why they shouldn't support him. Reasonable people are voting for Trump not because they necessarily support his policies, but they haven't had the time to properly consider the policies that they feel have suddenly crept up on them. It's a knee-jerk reaction to the overpowering liberal movement. So, basically you're telling me that Trump voters are mainly 6 years old that the more you tell them not to do something giving them valid reasons, the more they'll do? take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13627	Posted - 2016.09.28 00:48:00 - [47] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I think Trump is the protest vote. A lot of people feel marginalised and think that society is moving too quickly. I think that if reform was more gradual, people would be more willing to accept it. People support Trump precisely because it's ferociously shoved down their throats why they shouldn't support him. Reasonable people are voting for Trump not because they necessarily support his policies, but they haven't had the time to properly consider the policies that they feel have suddenly crept up on them. It's a knee-jerk reaction to the overpowering liberal movement. It's not just people voting for Trump as an act of defiance against those trying to pressure them not to vote for him. It's also people voting for him as a way of saying frakk the system. Some might argue that Trump is the system, but he's not. I'm not supporting him by saying this. He doesn't owe anyone anything. Congress has no control over him because digging up any dirt on him never worked. He has said some of the most craziest comments that are sure-fire ways of killing one's own chances of even getting a party nomination (let alone the presidency) yet here he is. He has gone and pissed off almost every member of his own party and likely that of the entire Congressional leadership because they now know they can't keep him under a leash. He is absolutely unhinged. Colin Powell was right about him. Just criticizing him at all is only emboldening him. He is, in a way, a troll. And what's the first rule about dealing with trolls? Don't feed the troll. And what did every politician who was running for office do for the past 2 years straight? They gave him the whole buffet. And his ego is so large I don't think it can even be measured. And the worse part about this is that the people who are likely to vote for him probably* do understand who they are voting for this time. And that is sad because then that means we can't trust the usual politicians anymore. Every member of Congress has so many skeletons in the closet (or Cabinet in some cases) that people would rather vote for someone who they at least know is crazy than to vote for someone who is just likely to do more of the same thing. As for Trump's skeletons? No one seems to care anymore about them. * - fixed a grammatical error there. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
DUST Fiend 18672	Posted - 2016.09.28 01:00:00 - [48] - Quote I feel like this election cycle is very evident of how poorly educated we have become as a nation. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3841	Posted - 2016.09.28 01:00:00 - [49] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: It's a knee-jerk reaction Followed closely by a long settling-in of evading facts and ignoring evidence. Amusingly, I love how the right craps all over the left for being too "feely" yet this entire election has had the right doing literally nothing but voting with their feels You know, that's kind of the point of my topic. There's basically no good reason. I asked since it's not just America, it's the whole world that is leaning too much on these populistic point of views. They all talk directly to people's anger and fears: Germany, AfD: against muslims and immigrants Italy, Lega Nord / Fratelli d'Italia: against muslims, immigrants, European Union, Euro, pro closed borders France, Front National: against muslims, immigrants, European Union, Euro, pro closed borders Netherlands, Partij voor de Vrijheid: against muslims, immigrants, European Union, Euro, pro closed borders Great Britain, UKIP / Britain First: against muslims, immigrants, European Union, Euro, pro closed borders Greece, +º-ü-à-â+« +æ-à+¦+« (Golden Dawn): against muslims, immigrants, European Union, Euro, pro closed borders And I can go on for almost any european state. Actually it might have been much easier to list the countries that are not dangerously swinging to the far, far right. And they are all there cheerleading for Trump. The problem here is not the existance of said parties, some have been there for decades, it's the spectacular rise in consensus they had over the last three-four years. As I already said, I'd define myself as a right-wing voter, but believe me, the far right, the one I know, is something that doesn't exist (you lucky) in America (as much as there's no far left, again luckly for you). take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
DUST Fiend 18672	Posted - 2016.09.28 01:03:00 - [50] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: As I already said, I'd define myself as a right-wing voter, but believe me, the far right, the one I know, is something that doesn't exist (you lucky) in America (as much as there's no far left, again luckly for you). Well we have right wingers over here who literally want to start civil war if their Fuhrer isn't sworn in, and who throw facts to the wind in favor of repelling Satan with prayer. If it's worse elsewhere then Math help us all :/ Actually I know it's worse elsewhere, I just try to avoid thinking about it too much or else I push myself back into my ever present depressive spiral. What a ******* world. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3841	Posted - 2016.09.28 01:03:00 - [51] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I feel like this election cycle is very evident of how poorly educated we have become as a nation. World. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
james selim brownstein NECROM0NGERS 621	Posted - 2016.09.28 01:59:00 - [52] - Quote This forum is... n++Gòª¦¦¦¦-ç¦+¦+¦+¦+ WAITING FOR PROJECT NOVAGòñGöÇGöÇGöÇ Gò¡Gê¬Gò«n+ên+¦n++n+¦n+ë
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2943	Posted - 2016.09.28 03:03:00 - [53] - Quote https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MCNHaLziBQw Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 8008	Posted - 2016.09.28 03:33:00 - [54] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It's pretty clear that the democrats control most mainstream media as well. Not to mention that all but 1 of the debate moderators are known Clinton supporters, so there's quite a bit of bias there. I wouldn't say they are "controlled" really, but there is bias to some extent. On the other side, I understand the bias, it's natural if you talk of a contradictory man like Trump, he is literally feeding the bias. And to be fair, Clinton also has her share of contradictions and/or gaffes. It's just not as many as Trump. It's not just about him though- we're talking about the majority of networks having a history of democrat bias. Current state of the forums
Living Rock 523 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 288	Posted - 2016.09.28 04:15:00 - [55] - Quote The presidency means nothing. It's all a show for the average American citizen. The Deep State- https://youtu.be/EYS647HTgks
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14206	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:07:00 - [56] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: It's a knee-jerk reaction Followed closely by a long settling-in of evading facts and ignoring evidence. Amusingly, I love how the right craps all over the left for being too "feely" yet this entire election has had the right doing literally nothing but voting with their feels Reminds me of that Newt Gingrich interview: https://youtu.be/xnhJWusyj4I What a toolbag. My advice to you, playa.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2944	Posted - 2016.09.28 15:18:00 - [57] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Anyway, I can't tell about the American education system, but here at least we have a clear vision of what and why. Germany surely didn't want to take over the world back then and the "good guys" didn't won, but they didn't loose either. It's not totally black nor totally white. I'm aware the story is never truly "black and white", however that's more or less exactly how it's incorrectly taught. The common narrative today is this - US: Freedom loving good guys who saved the world. THEM: Evil satanic monsters who wanted to ruin the world. That's basically the message the History Channel tries to deliver. Propaganda. Winners write the history. Quote: As I remarked in a earlier post, it's totally right to search for the truth, but shaping the truth to achieve a goal or to justify behaviors is a different story. You may have noticed it, the happenings you are reporting really happened, and we both agree on that. On the other side, I may very well ask you, as you did, why did he invade Austria then? Why did "his future best friend" Mussolini deployed the Stresa front against Germany if Germany wasn't really going to attack Italy after Austria? I'm not trying to achieve any goal. I believed the version of history we're all taught in school until I started researching it from a neutral standpoint. I wanted to hear the other side of the story and compare. The deeper I looked into it the more lies and exaggerations and omissions I discovered. In no sense of the word did Germany "invade" Austria. Nor did they "Annex" Austria which is also a popular term. The pressure for unification was strong in Germany and Austria amongst the people. A referendum was conducted in both countries and the support for unification was nearly unanimous. Even post-war historians don't dispute this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Anschluss_referendum,_1938 Quote: The rest is, as always, political and strategic interests. There's a certain "something" in the middle east and looks like the whole world wants it! Spain had a fascist leader and an Ally. Why would he invade Spain if he already indirectly controlled it and, moreover, if he directly contributed to Franco's rise to power? Same goes with Japan, it's strategical thinking. You'd prefer to fight USSR and China on two fronts with an ally. And still this doesn't mean that he didn't consider them "inferiors". Again, I know A.H. considered the whole mediterranean population "inferior" since it was already a mixture of nordic/southern races, especially in Italy, Spain and Greece. Look up Gibraltar. Gibraltar was a British naval stronghold on the southern tip of spain. This gave Britain a tremendous advantage over Italy in the Mediterranean. Seizing this base would have been a major factor for the North African campaign and given a huge advantage to Italy and Germany. Germany put a lot of pressure on Spain to either join the Axis, or at least allow the Wehrmacht to march across spain in order to seize this base. Spain however, declared their neutrality, and Germany chose to honor their neutrality. So telling me that there was no strategic advantage with Spain is completely false. Japan was Allied with Germany before the outbreak of the war. Simply saying "He allied for strategic reasons and still thought they were inferior" comes off as a guess to me and seems like your reaching to fit this into the common narrative. I can also tell you that in Mein Kampf, A.H. actually specifically states in one paragraph that he has a lot of admiration for the Chinese and Japanese cultures, and does NOT view them as inferior. If you really want I could dig up the exact quote/page from the English version of the book, and then verify it with the German version. Quote: One might say that historic revisions are just for truth's sake and that's fair enough. Everyone loves (or at least should love) truth. Still this doesn't mean that you should justify what A.H. did to whoever didn't have the same opinion nor justifying the plain racism he enforced later. And I just don't want to talk about Na.zis Lagers. If you're going to doubt their existence I can tell you, as an italian, that at least there was one in Stolberg since my Granfather have been imprisoned there just for being member of the Italian Army after the armistice. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure concentration camps really existed. A lot of history needs revising. You're taught a version of history bu the same people who told you Iraq had WMD's, that Vietnam attacked America in the Gulf of Tonkin, that covered up the USS Liberty incident, and have basically been lying their way into wars for our entire lives. The amount of lies I've discovered regarding WW2 is staggering. Just regarding the concentration camps... Of course every country has war-time prison camps. Some things you probably didn't know however: Britain invented the modern concentration camp in the Boer Wars. These concentration camps however were filled with the wives and children of the Boer soldiers. They starved the families of the soldiers to death in order to break the spirits of the men, which worked. Do you regard that differently because it was Britain who did it? Or do you hold Germany and Britain to the same standards?... Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
byte modal 1029	Posted - 2016.09.28 15:28:00 - [58] - Quote dude. kitten bacon taco (nom)
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3843	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:33:00 - [59] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: . As I already said, everything you say is pretty accurate but our interpretation of the shady part of history is different. I may bring into discussion the letters exchange that Mussolini had with Churchill in order to "save" Italy from the imminent disaster, I might even tell you that he never liked A.H. defining him as a " stupida, piccola scimmia " in early fascism. But would just this, change the overall opinions on the "ventennio"? Well, no. Opposition was truly suppressed or exiled, as much as it is true that Italy (and Germany) had a spectacular rise in all the main "state health" indexes: occupation, wealth, GDP, military power and so on. Italian fascism, as already stated, was all pro-immiogration and the widespread consensus (at least in Italy) is that Mussolini's real fault step (if you really don't want to count in political repression of oppositions) happened almost two decades after his first day of government with the approval of italian "racial laws" and the subsequent "germanization" of Italy. Knowing this, does it make any difference? Not really. You may simply re-evaluate Mussolini's early figure, and come to the conclusion that it was neither a black period but for sure it wasn't a white period. Winners write the history and that's true. Still, the real somehow unbiased history is always there, you might not learn the same history at school, but you can get an idea of how things went just by doing researches. On the Anschluss referendum, it was much like presidential elections in Russia: just give the people a fake referendum, even if you already know who will win. See, Austria was already occupied (12 March 1938) before the referendum (10 April 1938). And before that, there was a tentative coup (assassination of the filo-italian prime minister Dollfuss), the fact that Italy was no longer guaranteeing help to Austria in case of invasion, and years of turmoil where Germany kept asking things basically saying do this or I'll invade you (1936, 12 February 1938 and finally 12 March 1938). It was pretty clear who would have won the referendum in an occupied country with zero military power. It was an invasion, masked by a referendum. On the japanese argument: Japan's cooperation in the fight against the Soviet Union would be welcomed if the Japanese advance to the south should run into difficulty because of supply and equipment. (GÇëA. H., 2 June 1941) Japan, at the time wanted either to expand to the north or to expand to the "natural" Japanese sphere of influence on the pacific islands and south-east Asia. I guess A.H. was just hoping for a "go north" strategy by Japan that would have closed USSR in a bilateral war that would have probably never won. As we know, this never happened, Operation Barbarossa was the usual, silly attempt to invade Russia from a european country. It is , in fact, a common opinion between historians that if A.H. never attempted to invade Russia we would have seen a much different history. Same goes if Japan ever decided to "go north". But this never happened, so it will just be speculations. On the racial point, japanese were (I'm probably mistranslating here) "Honorary Arian" (I like to translate it this way because, well, someone here I'm sure will get it). They were fairly "high" in the phantomatic "Racial superiority chart" according to A.H. because they have never been "mixed" with other races. That's really it. It's like they were "sopportable". For the other points, well, yes, I agree. People generally prefer to demonize Na.zi Germany much more than Britain, Italy, France and USA. But I want to stress that this would never condone what all of these country did back then, and it should not condone anything at all. The fact that "all of the other countries did the same or worse" does not mean that it was right to do so. Also, again I might repeat myself, it's fairly common knoledge here in Italy, don't know there, that 1) Iraq never had any kind of super secret weapon 2) Americans needed a casus belli to start the war in Vietnam and simply made up the second attack (while the first was very real) Don't know anything about the USS Liberty, I'll try to get some informations about that. To your last question: it's pretty evident. No, I'm not. I want to stress that everyone has his fair share of guilt and I also want to stress that even knowing this, it's not even right to completely shift from bad to good and from good to bad. One last thing: disgusting acts against human rights are disgusting acts against human right. Whoever enslaved and killed other people because of ethnicity ( and I'm also pretty sure that talking about ethnicity is even pointless since even if there were different ethnicities, they all mixed up very long time ago), nationality or whetever other reason is disgusting. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3843	Posted - 2016.09.28 17:49:00 - [60] - Quote And by the way, the fact that I know these things from high school, and you say that they "don't tell you these things" probably means that (at least for what concern History) the American education system might not be good. And from here I'd like to reconnect to Trump: I've read that the majority of his voters are poorly educated Americans. Do you see a real correlation or it is just a spurious correlation? take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514



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