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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:

byte modal wrote:

I am not a Trump supporter, but I live in the SE region of the U.S. with maybe 98% of family, friends, and coworkers being staunch Republican. My opinion is painted by the history of my own past political views, experience, and in witness to the opinions of those around me. It's just an opinion.

From my observation, Trump is perceived as a political outsider that tells it like it is---their words. It is something that many can project their frustrations and biases onto and see reflections of a no-holds-barred aggressiveness that they would like to be part of. He speaks to the emotional frustration of a specific class and then targets "others" as the cause. I don't mean specifically race, nationality, or gender---his comments can be vague, but the individual will hear justification in fears that that individual may have already thought of; but when it is race, nationality, or gender, it becomes a focal point. Everyone loves a good witch hunt. To put it simply: he validates.

My guess is a lot of it also has to do with two simple facts: 1) He is our guy. In that sense, it's a football game. I love my team and hate yours. But that's what politics seem to be coming to regardless of sides. 2) His opponent is Hillary Clinton. She has her own history and baggage to carry. I typically lean Democratic but she gets on my nerves. I can imagine how easy it is for those already on the other side of the fence to hate her, when emotion is a strong impulse. Any word from her mouth also validates ;)

Iderno, man. Scares the sh!t out of me, TBQH.

But, basically, that's just witch hunting, isn't it? Are really mexicans America's problem? Is building a wall the great solution that nobody ever thought before?

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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7853	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote I have to admit to having thoughts of Silvio Berlusconi when watching the US election, although Trum is probably quite a bit worse. I think the current situation in the US is a result of political spin. The masses have come to recognize that the scripted way politicians talk is often used to obscure the truth. Since it takes too much work for under educated people to sort out what the politicians are hiding they have simply stopped believing anything the politicians say. Therefore, because Hillary Clinton is a long time politician and talks in a careful and rehearsed fashion a large portion of the US population does not believe her, even when what she says is proven to be true. Donald Trump on the other hand does not sound anything like a politician, so people think he is honest even when the stuff he spouts off is proven again and again to be false, lies, or complete fantasies. The distrust of politicians was exacerbated by the housing crisis and the recession which hit the White American middle class really hard. Watching their government bailing out the Banks that took their houses was a bitter pill to swallow, and made them hate the establishment in both political parties. This added to the popularity of both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders (depending on whether you leaned left or right). Add to that a large segment of White Americans who used to feel like they are inherently better than everyone else because they are "American" and "America is great!" having to confront racial guilt as the ongoing civil rights movement continues to point out the inequities and injustices in American society. Lets face it, it just feels a whole lot better to think you are better than everyone else, than it does to feel guilty. It should not be surprising that a segment of society is sliding back into racism in order to feel better about themselves. The slogan "Make America Great Again!" actually translates into "Make White Americans fell Great Again!". Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7855	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Most people support one of these candidates simply because they hate the other more. Both are garbage, so pick your poison. Yeah, it would be hard to find a Presidential Candidate from the past who could not have wiped the floor with either of them. Hell, even Nixon might have been able to make a comeback. I am a Hillary supporter because she is unlikely to drop a nuclear bomb on a third world country. It is a sad commentary on an election when that is how you pick your candidate. Hillary's campaign slogan should be: "At least I probably will not make things much worse!" Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7858	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:01:00 - [3] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Were really ruled by the handful of elites with unlimited wealth while the people get poorer poorer and more divided and the endless wars rage on. Just like Orwell prophecised. The great irony being that right wing America has picked one of the 1% as their champion. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7859	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:09:00 - [4] - Quote byte modal wrote: I am not a Trump supporter, but I live in the SE region of the U.S. with maybe 98% of family, friends, and coworkers being staunch Republican. My *opinion* is painted by the history of my own past political views, experience, and in witness to the opinions of those around me. It's just an opinion. From my observation, Trump is perceived as a political outsider that tells it like it is---their words. It is something that many can project their frustrations and biases onto and see reflections of a no-holds-barred aggressiveness that they would like to be part of. He speaks to the emotional frustration of a specific class and then targets "others" as the cause. I don't mean specifically race, nationality, or gender---his comments can be vague, but the individual will hear justification in fears that that individual may have already thought of; but when it is race, nationality, or gender, it becomes a focal point. Every loves a good witch hunt. To put it simply: he validates. My guess is a lot of it also has to do with two simple facts: 1) He is our guy. In that sense, it's a football game. I love my team and hate yours. But that's what politics seem to be coming to regardless of sides. 2) His opponent is Hillary Clinton. She has her own history and baggage to carry. I typically lean Democratic but she gets on my nerves. I can imagine how easy it is for those already on the other side of the fence to hate her, when emotion is a strong impulse. Any word from her mouth also validates ;) Iderno, man. Scares the sh!t out of me, TBQH. Good commentary. I particularly appreciate your point that Trump supporters like him because he validates there desire to blame the "other", and that "other" might be different for different voters. It comes down to the "my life is ****, but it is not my fault!" mentality. Trump validates the "It's not our fault" mentality and encourages people to blame someone else, which feels good. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7859	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:12:00 - [5] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: I'd consider Orwell's works more like a warning than a prophecy, much closer to Kafka than a political essay. Originally meant as a warning... quickly proving to be prophecy. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7862	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:36:00 - [6] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Good insight, thank you. I thought that such things would have never existed in America, since you're basically all immigrants (and here I'm purposefully provocative). I am sure you could have found plenty of Native Americans 300 years ago who would have supported building a wall, or some such strategy. Although admittedly, looking back they probably would have been fully justified. But more to your point, the grand kids of immigrants will see themselves as native and have concerns over those foreigners coming in and messing everything up. There was a time in America when the Irish and the Italians were not considered "White". Newcomers always start as a threat and a couple generations later become just part of the establishment. Of course the exception to that are those who were brought to the Americas against their will. To accept them into the establishment would be to accept that they are equal, and to do that would entail accepting the guild of what was done to them, and no one likes to feel guilty. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7862	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:47:00 - [7] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: byte modal wrote: I am not a Trump supporter, but I live in the SE region of the U.S. with maybe 98% of family, friends, and coworkers being staunch Republican. My *opinion* is painted by the history of my own past political views, experience, and in witness to the opinions of those around me. It's just an opinion. From my observation, Trump is perceived as a political outsider that tells it like it is---their words. It is something that many can project their frustrations and biases onto and see reflections of a no-holds-barred aggressiveness that they would like to be part of. He speaks to the emotional frustration of a specific class and then targets "others" as the cause. I don't mean specifically race, nationality, or gender---his comments can be vague, but the individual will hear justification in fears that that individual may have already thought of; but when it is race, nationality, or gender, it becomes a focal point. Everyone loves a good witch hunt. To put it simply: he validates. My guess is a lot of it also has to do with two simple facts: 1) He is our guy. In that sense, it's a football game. I love my team and hate yours. But that's what politics seem to be coming to regardless of sides. 2) His opponent is Hillary Clinton. She has her own history and baggage to carry. I typically lean Democratic but she gets on my nerves. I can imagine how easy it is for those already on the other side of the fence to hate her, when emotion is a strong impulse. Any word from her mouth also validates ;) Iderno, man. Scares the sh!t out of me, TBQH. But, basically, that's just witch hunting, isn't it? Are really mexicans America's problem? Is building a wall the great solution that nobody ever thought before? His point is that it is easier to blame the Mexicans than to figure out the actual cause of the problems these people face. Unemployed people like the yell about those foreigners taking their jobs, but what American wants to do the crap jobs the Mexicans do? With no migrant labor a farmers would not be able to get their crops harvested, then the Americans driving the trucks and selling the vegetables loose their jobs. When you really look into it immigrants create more jobs than they take, but in the end it is easier to blame someone who looks or acts different for your problems than looking for the real cause. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7866	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:00:00 - [8] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: I'd consider Orwell's works more like a warning than a prophecy, much closer to Kafka than a political essay. Originally meant as a warning... quickly proving to be prophecy. True that, but if you ask me, what people usually don't get is that orwellian concepts sometimes fits even better in the "anti-enstablishment", "anti-immigrant", anti-whatever positions. We have a great example here in Italy too with Movimento 5 Stelle right now. But don't want to talk about anti-enstablishment becoming sometimes even worse than the previous-enstablishment. To site a more current example of something not being taken as intended: Homer Simpson in "The Simpsons" was intended to be satire, but seems to have been taken as a role model instead. Ignorance seems to have become a desirable trait in American culture and education has become demonized. For example, in what other country would a politician be criticized for speaking more than one language? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7878	Posted - 2016.09.29 13:58:00 - [9] - Quote I heard a suggestion the other day on the Radio that voting Trump was the ultimate protest vote. There are some who want to metaphorically burn Washington. They want the worst possible candidate to become president and wreck everything to punish the political elites that have been messing everything up for the common man. I have to admit that I can see the appeal for that. ...and if I did not live on this planet I would probably enjoy watching what would happen if Trump won. I got to remind myself though: "This is reality, not reality TV!" Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7881	Posted - 2016.09.29 18:44:00 - [10] - Quote If the Republicans had nominated Condoleezza Rice to run she could have blown Clinton out of the water. She would have picked up a good part of the Democrat vote on top of her Republican base. Instead we have large numbers of Republicans debating whether they can hold their nose and vote for Hillery. If the Trump vote is a protest vote it has already been effective. Trump getting nominated has hit the Republican party like a hydrogen bomb. The candidates they run in the next election will probably be very different from the lineup that ran against Trump. Hopefully they get the point that people are looking for someone who isn't just reading from the 1970's Republican PlayBook. It would be sad... although not particularly surprising... if they look at Trump's success and think they need to run racist misogynistic assholes. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.