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Darkpool Maku
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 14:01:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:GM Nythanos wrote:It is possible for the defenders to win. In previous testing there had been a similar feeling of one side being completely unable to win however that changed fairly quickly and matches were anyone's game, with people figuring out ways to have one side win (scout suit rushes) and people setting up counters, then counters to those counters..etc. the map sucks dev if we beta testers are saying it suck in mass like we are then why you do fall back on saying its how were playing the game ? dont you think if your on def your job is not to atk but to def and if its to ez for the atker to take the points on the map and out flank the def team dont that make a sh!t map ???? like the one that we were all just playing ?
I don't think anyone here is saying that the map sucks. Players will simply adapt to the map, discover counters to their enemies, and the enemies discover counters to their counters, and so on and on.
Also, with the " if your on def your job is not to atk but to def", isn't the best defense a good offense? Why wait for your enemy to come to you? |
Ile Faded
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.06.30 15:34:00 -
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GM Nythanos wrote:It is possible for the defenders to win. In previous testing there had been a similar feeling of one side being completely unable to win however that changed fairly quickly and matches were anyone's game, with people figuring out ways to have one side win (scout suit rushes) and people setting up counters, then counters to those counters..etc.
I think we won most matches defending yesterday. Just takes team work |
Drake-696
Doomheim
53
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Posted - 2012.06.30 16:48:00 -
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angryfat duster wrote:I was able to play quite a few games this morning.....If your team works together and doesn't run around running and gunning like most FPS games you win....I have won games on both sides.
This. As the attacker you can treat this like any other fps - every man for himself - and pull of a win. As the defender a little coordination is necessary. Whenever I've managed to get people on comm working together on defense we win far more often than not, to the point of watching as the attackers sit in their spawn and get owned.
This isn't a run around shooting people all day game without any degree of coordination and expect to win (unless you are on the attack). It's meant to involve teamwork and communication. Due to the nature of the beta with random teams this is often limited. |
Bzeer
MG GROUP
41
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:58:00 -
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I continue to win frequently on both sides of the line as long as these 3 conditions are met. 1 my team is organized and communicates about the situation, without spending too much time being assholes to each other, or without b.s.ing about rl stuff too much. 2 my team is aggressive as the attacker or as the defender. 3. Me and the team I'm on are better than the opposing team at adapting to changing conditions on the battlefield, and committed to taking and/or holding primary objectives. .
Ps I will agree that this map is primarily vehicle friendly and infantry hostile. It could use some trenches, and or tunnels around a and b objectives. However there is plenty of cover around c. It is a lot less exposed than the attackers position anyway. |
Gerg Hammer
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:38:00 -
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Bzeer wrote:I continue to win frequently on both sides of the line as long as these 3 conditions are met. 1 my team is organized and communicates about the situation, without spending too much time being assholes to each other, or without b.s.ing about rl stuff too much. 2 my team is aggressive as the attacker or as the defender. 3. Me and the team I'm on are better than the opposing team at adapting to changing conditions on the battlefield, and committed to taking and/or holding primary objectives. .
Ps I will agree that this map is primarily vehicle friendly and infantry hostile. It could use some trenches, and or tunnels around a and b objectives. However there is plenty of cover around c. It is a lot less exposed than the attackers position anyway.
QFT.
1. Organized
2. Aggressive
3. Fluid
The team that has more of these three things wins. |
XxReusableGorexX Juggernaut
1
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:51:00 -
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one does not simply walk into Mordor...
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Merc Ozzian
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:17:00 -
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Any hard data about which one of the turrets does the most damage against cestus? |
Forte Appogio
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.06.30 22:42:00 -
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I don't understand...
I always win defending and lose most of the time attacking. Is this really an issue or just a teamwork problem? |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:36:00 -
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Wins and losses seem to come in streaks. It can result in a skewed perception of whether or not the map is balanced. Part of me thinks defenders can do too well, with additional damage able to be applied via Rocket Turrets and vehicles. |
ZERO AURAZ
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:05:00 -
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this is not true ive been put on attacking side more often then not. havent won a single match my teams mcc always seems to die
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Blake Hermes
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.01 05:50:00 -
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GM Nythanos wrote:It is possible for the defenders to win. In previous testing there had been a similar feeling of one side being completely unable to win however that changed fairly quickly and matches were anyone's game, with people figuring out ways to have one side win (scout suit rushes) and people setting up counters, then counters to those counters..etc.
I herd a person say that "IF they take C the game is over."
I figured to throw that out there. has anyone find out if that worked 100% of the time. also are we sopused to be able to land a dropship on top of the tall builds? I feel like I'm shooting fish in a barrel when this happens and no one ever flew up to me and to kill me.
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SuperKing BigNuts
Trinity Council
Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.07.01 06:54:00 -
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Blake Hermes wrote:GM Nythanos wrote:It is possible for the defenders to win. In previous testing there had been a similar feeling of one side being completely unable to win however that changed fairly quickly and matches were anyone's game, with people figuring out ways to have one side win (scout suit rushes) and people setting up counters, then counters to those counters..etc. I herd a person say that "IF they take C the game is over." I figured to throw that out there. has anyone find out if that worked 100% of the time. also are we sopused to be able to land a dropship on top of the tall builds? I feel like I'm shooting fish in a barrel when this happens and no one ever flew up to me and to kill me.
they havent STOPPED you from tower camping yet, so thusly, allowed, for now. something may get done about them, they might be left alone. some rounds you get ignored entirely, other rounds yo uhave competition for the towers and usually the slower dropship to arrive gets the advantage of seeing you first. i take dropships up and gat blast them quick and either replace them, or drop back down as assault. ive also sniped them out with militia rifles, 2 shots for most suits to die. just takes some practice to get the aim right for taking out gunners |
Primus Core
Brimstone Tactical
Covert Intervention
22
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Posted - 2012.07.01 07:00:00 -
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Chippin' in my two cents here - it is very possible for defenders to win. I've won about two-thirds of the matches I've defended on.
HOWEVER - it snowballs. If the attacking team is able to push the defenders back to the original spawn, it's next to impossible for the defenders to get back out and recapture objectives. There is very little cover between the defender spawn and the map itself, meaning a few snipers can cover the entirety of the defender's available routes. If the defenders are lucky, they'll get a vehicle through with an on-board CRU, but those usually get heavily damaged before they touch the ground if not completely destroyed. |
Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.07.01 07:04:00 -
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Primus Core wrote:HOWEVER - it snowballs. If the attacking team is able to push the defenders back to the original spawn, it's next to impossible for the defenders to get back out and recapture objectives.
It goes both ways, though. Attackers can also be screwed into their default spawn corner.
Capturing C doesn't guarantee victory, either. It just makes the defending team fight on 2 fronts. |
Orion-Ji
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.07.01 09:47:00 -
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lol 'Capture C and you win'. B effin S! All the defending team needs to do is hold 2 of the OBJs; it doesn't matter which ones, but I find that holding A & B have better defensive positions....and you are on the defense right? No need to go off your tower to chase some speedfreak in a scoutsuit... who is just leading you away so his buddies can come in and cap the OBJ. |
Jimbeezy
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.07.01 11:33:00 -
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I win more when I am defending. |
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