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Marston VC wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Skihids wrote:

If the CPM is excited I am hopeful.

What I don't understand is why CCP hasn't written a basic press release with that information for this event. They have to know what would happen in the forums if they simply showed a bare bones tech demo and said "We are concentrating on FPS and not MMO".

If they have plans, they should have been posted on these forums. How difficult could that be given they had weeks to write something up?

If the CPM is anything i am deeply worried, excited proberly means it will be shite and from current videos it is, confidence will mean CCP has not got a clue, indepth will mean that all options have been taken away and MMO = 6v6 at this point.

Rouge wedding anyone?

I would rarther take an opinion from a crackhead called jim and a talking gerbil than a bunch of yes idiots who do less than nothing while being some of the worst players of the game and have been elected by less than 1% of the playerbase because they are not really needed and everyone knows that.

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How difficult could that be given they had weeks to write something up?

Very difficult, communication is impossible for them and CCP.

http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-s-new-first-person-shooter-on-pc-aims-to-get-right-what-dust-514-didn-t-356861.phtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&amp;amp;utm_medium=twitter This article Basically addresses what your saying. Its an interview of the executive producer. While there are some concerning things, it looks like most of your specific complaints are unwarrented.

CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12915	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:00:00 - [91] - Quote sabre prime wrote: I think the I saw the minmatar precision rifle in that leaked gameplay footage. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! HOO-HA! Almost forgot /s The precision Rifle is supposed to be a beast, at that. If you find the footage and pay attention I could have sworn that he one-shots a sentinel with that at some point. I'll have to look again. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6980	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:03:00 - [92] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: sabre prime wrote: I think the I saw the minmatar precision rifle in that leaked gameplay footage. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! HOO-HA! Almost forgot /s The precision Rifle is supposed to be a beast, at that. If you find the footage and pay attention I could have sworn that he one-shots a sentinel with that at some point. I'll have to look again. If it was Kirk then yeah but I believe the ugly creature was already damaged
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12919	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:18:00 - [93] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: sabre prime wrote: I think the I saw the minmatar precision rifle in that leaked gameplay footage. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! HOO-HA! Almost forgot /s The precision Rifle is supposed to be a beast, at that. If you find the footage and pay attention I could have sworn that he one-shots a sentinel with that at some point. I'll have to look again. If it was Kirk then yeah but I believe the ugly creature was already damaged Unfortunately, I could not afford Fanfest, so I cannot give firsthand impressions. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2256	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:28:00 - [94] - Quote I hope vehicles make it in. There's been no indication that interior maps will be the sole focus of the game. In fact, I'd be happy if they had outdoor maps dominated by vehicles to even out the indoor maps. I too would be very much against CCP removing the strategic / tactical elements to the game. However I don't think this is what's happening. If the game was dumbed down everyone would be a run-and-gun medium with a rifle. The fact that Rattati mentioned focus on tank-heal-dps, and the fact the demo has sentinels, cloaks and snipers, all point to depth of gameplay. Which is something I was worried might be reduced. Let's hope they get vehicles in as well. Just in case, I think I'll be spending my remaining SP in Dust on vehicles, whilst I still have the chance.
Ghural WarRavens Imperium Eden 451	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:39:00 - [95] - Quote All CCP had to do was say "we are working on a new game, this is the vision for it, this is where it is now, this is where we want it to be, and here is some pre alpha footage". But nooooooi
AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2016.04.21 22:30:00 - [96] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: sabre prime wrote: I think the I saw the minmatar precision rifle in that leaked gameplay footage. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! HOO-HA! Almost forgot /s The precision Rifle is supposed to be a beast, at that. If you find the footage and pay attention I could have sworn that he one-shots a sentinel with that at some point. I'll have to look again. Sounds like a forge gun hitting a tank in the rear end. Overpowered and pointless.
XxBlazikenxX WarRavens Imperium Eden 4889	Posted - 2016.04.22 00:09:00 - [97] - Quote Skihids wrote: I get that Fanfest is a very poor venu for talking about Nova. It's filled with EO players who want to hear about EO. However they could have done a simultaneous reveal here on the forum explaining where they are now (simple tech demo) and what their vision is (supposedly most of the original promise). It should be obvious that saying what they have so far was going to cause people to assume the worst (a dumbed down lobby shooter). What could be preventing them from presenting a broad outline? How could that be in any way worse than stirring up the sh*tstorm that they have? Well you have to admit that most of CCP's employees are at fanfest, which means that none of them even have the time to post anything on the forums at all. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right. #Imperiumftw
XxBlazikenxX WarRavens Imperium Eden 4889	Posted - 2016.04.22 00:11:00 - [98] - Quote AldnoahZero wrote: Skihids wrote: If the CPM is excited I am hopeful. CPM were useless since CPM 0, who did zero for the game and playerbase. One guy resigned, one used their position to take PCP districts, and another was removed due to not bothering to post or play. How can you trust that? Um, no. The CPM (mostly) helped balance the game and pushed to make the game better. That is proven if you were to actually take the time to see what they were doing on the forums. Edit: DPLAK Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right. #Imperiumftw
Lord Vahzz 225	Posted - 2016.04.22 00:11:00 - [99] - Quote Mechs? There is a fine line between not listening and not caring, I like to think i walk that line every day of my life.
XxBlazikenxX WarRavens Imperium Eden 4889	Posted - 2016.04.22 00:12:00 - [100] - Quote Ghural wrote: All CCP had to do was say "we are working on a new game, this is the vision for it, this is where it is now, this is where we want it to be, and here is some pre alpha footage". But nooooooi Actually CCP Rattati said himself that the ultimate vision was for a sandbox mmo with integration to EVE. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right. #Imperiumftw

AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2016.04.22 01:30:00 - [101] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: AldnoahZero wrote: Skihids wrote: If the CPM is excited I am hopeful. CPM were useless since CPM 0, who did zero for the game and playerbase. One guy resigned, one used their position to take PCP districts, and another was removed due to not bothering to post or play. How can you trust that? Um, no. The CPM (mostly) helped balance the game and pushed to make the game better. That is proven if you were to actually take the time to see what they were doing on the forums. Edit: DPLAK They've done nothing to make it better.
XxBlazikenxX WarRavens Imperium Eden 4890	Posted - 2016.04.22 01:31:00 - [102] - Quote AldnoahZero wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: AldnoahZero wrote: Skihids wrote: If the CPM is excited I am hopeful. CPM were useless since CPM 0, who did zero for the game and playerbase. One guy resigned, one used their position to take PCP districts, and another was removed due to not bothering to post or play. How can you trust that? Um, no. The CPM (mostly) helped balance the game and pushed to make the game better. That is proven if you were to actually take the time to see what they were doing on the forums. Edit: DPLAK They've done nothing to make it better. Lol, you obviously haven't been paying attention. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right. #Imperiumftw
XxBlazikenxX WarRavens Imperium Eden 4890	Posted - 2016.04.22 01:32:00 - [103] - Quote Also, Aldnoah.Zero is one of my favorite animes. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right. #Imperiumftw
Thor Odinson42 514 to PS4 7454	Posted - 2016.04.22 01:39:00 - [104] - Quote In And I better have a spot in the alpha.
Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1702	Posted - 2016.04.22 04:41:00 - [105] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Skihids wrote: If the CPM is excited I am hopeful. What I don't understand is why CCP hasn't written a basic press release with that information for this event. They have to know what would happen in the forums if they simply showed a bare bones tech demo and said "We are concentrating on FPS and not MMO". If they have plans, they should have been posted on these forums. How difficult could that be given they had weeks to write something up? If the CPM is anything i am deeply worried, excited proberly means it will be shite and from current videos it is, confidence will mean CCP has not got a clue, indepth will mean that all options have been taken away and MMO = 6v6 at this point. Rouge wedding anyone? I would rarther take an opinion from a crackhead called jim and a talking gerbil than a bunch of yes idiots who do less than nothing while being some of the worst players of the game and have been elected by less than 1% of the playerbase because they are not really needed and everyone knows that. Quote: How difficult could that be given they had weeks to write something up? Very difficult, communication is impossible for them and CCP. http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-s-new-first-person-shooter-on-pc-aims-to-get-right-what-dust-514-didn-t-356861.phtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&amp;amp;utm_medium=twitter This article Basically addresses what your saying. Its an interview of the executive producer. While there are some concerning things, it looks like most of your specific complaints are unwarrented. Marston VC, STB Director
AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2016.04.22 08:21:00 - [106] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: AldnoahZero wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: AldnoahZero wrote: Skihids wrote: If the CPM is excited I am hopeful. CPM were useless since CPM 0, who did zero for the game and playerbase. One guy resigned, one used their position to take PCP districts, and another was removed due to not bothering to post or play. How can you trust that? Um, no. The CPM (mostly) helped balance the game and pushed to make the game better. That is proven if you were to actually take the time to see what they were doing on the forums. Edit: DPLAK They've done nothing to make it better. Lol, you obviously haven't been paying attention. I always pay attention.
AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2016.04.22 08:23:00 - [107] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Also, Aldnoah.Zero is one of my favorite animes. This show beats it. Don't watch it on Netflix, the translation is incredibly bad. I have the first two manga, and whatever idiot at Netflix couldn't look it up and get some of the words correctly.
Ghural WarRavens Imperium Eden 452	Posted - 2016.04.22 09:23:00 - [108] - Quote I'd like to get excited by Nova, but the lack of concrete details and the usual vague statement of "maybe something soon" from CCP just sounds reminds me of the last few years of Dust. Can the CPM help? It seems that there are a number of common questions from the community that remain to be answered. What is the vision for the new game? What happened to the vision of grand warfare with an Eve connection that originally attracted us to Dust? What happens to the community once the dust servers go down? This isn't an invitation for dust players to give us their opinions on the above questions. But an opportunity for CCP to actually talk to us, rather than just making some silly statement about "thanks for coming along for then journey", the community has valid questions and concerns, actually talking to us and addressing them would go a long way towards turning the current cynicism and skeptism towards the new project into excitement and anticipation. Come on CCP.
DeathwindRising Second-Nature Shadow of Dust 1422	Posted - 2016.04.22 10:01:00 - [109] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: I am not super confident tho. They apparently have a playable version at fanfest but it took Valkyrie a year to go from that stage to alpha. Also Hilmar was not very confident when he said we want to make it free to play as if no monetization is in place yet. dust 514 is free to play and yet still profitable
DeathwindRising Second-Nature Shadow of Dust 1422	Posted - 2016.04.22 10:10:00 - [110] - Quote my understanding is that theyre not necessarily make the game MMO, but that they wanted to build a foundation tirst. where as dust 514 focused on MMO first and then tried to make an FPS out of it, Project Nova aims to be an FPS first and then build on from there into a MMO. we asked for this for three years both directly an indirectly. we said the shooting sucked in dust and that they needed to get that right first. so they are... now we cry that we have a FPS but the MMO is gone. you gotta start somewhere. dust tried to do everything all at once from the start and it screwed them over in the end. the best we can do for the future of this is to give feedback on whatever they got. the sooner they get the core mechanics right, the sooner they can move on to other stuff.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4704	Posted - 2016.04.22 12:04:00 - [111] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Skihids wrote: If the CPM is excited I am hopeful. What I don't understand is why CCP hasn't written a basic press release with that information for this event. They have to know what would happen in the forums if they simply showed a bare bones tech demo and said "We are concentrating on FPS and not MMO". If they have plans, they should have been posted on these forums. How difficult could that be given they had weeks to write something up? If the CPM is anything i am deeply worried, excited proberly means it will be shite and from current videos it is, confidence will mean CCP has not got a clue, indepth will mean that all options have been taken away and MMO = 6v6 at this point. Rouge wedding anyone? I would rarther take an opinion from a crackhead called jim and a talking gerbil than a bunch of yes idiots who do less than nothing while being some of the worst players of the game and have been elected by less than 1% of the playerbase because they are not really needed and everyone knows that. Quote: How difficult could that be given they had weeks to write something up? Very difficult, communication is impossible for them and CCP. http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-s-new-first-person-shooter-on-pc-aims-to-get-right-what-dust-514-didn-t-356861.phtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&amp;amp;utm_medium=twitter This article Basically addresses what your saying. Its an interview of the executive producer. While there are some concerning things, it looks like most of your specific complaints are unwarrented. Taking that with a tanker container of salt. Lazer focused anyone? Maybe 3 years from now we get something that is similar to DUST but early stages is a COD clone, a forgettable game with alot of options taken away and gives me more doubts than hope, that demo is the worst thing they could have done because it shows nothing new and highlights the worst of it. What about vehicles on an open map to test out vehicle balance how about that? it is supposed to be an MMO and getting FPS mechanics right for infantry means jack shite for vehicles. How about preview of what they doing with skill trees? or possible EVE connections? modules? weapons? A slideshow presentation would have been more useful for highlighting what they want to do. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7628	Posted - 2016.04.22 13:01:00 - [112] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: I am not super confident tho. They apparently have a playable version at fanfest but it took Valkyrie a year to go from that stage to alpha. Also Hilmar was not very confident when he said we want to make it free to play as if no monetization is in place yet. Quote: +ürnason reflects and says "We're aiming for an alpha in 2016. This year maybe? Could be." Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1898	Posted - 2016.04.22 13:32:00 - [113] - Quote By the way the game has reduced playercounts. Dust has 32 players (16vs16) and Nova has 12 players (6vs6) active on one map. Sure they want to focus on more gunfights but i would have recommended to orientate the game more towards Battlefield and not COD. Battlefield is for mature players while COD is for players that have the mindset of a goldfish. If CCP follows trough with this "COD concept" i can allready predict that the game will flop massively. Not mainly because its copying COD but simply due to the fact that the PC market is oversaturated with COD clones. So why should i be happy with a cheap clone if i could go ahead and play the original? Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Dreis ShadowWeaver ZEN KILL Society 9127	Posted - 2016.04.22 15:03:00 - [114] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: By the way the game has reduced playercounts. Dust has 32 players (16vs16) and Nova has 12 players (6vs6) active on one map. That was only for the demo.
XxBlazikenxX WarRavens Imperium Eden 4902	Posted - 2016.04.22 17:29:00 - [115] - Quote AldnoahZero wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: AldnoahZero wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: AldnoahZero wrote: CPM were useless since CPM 0, who did zero for the game and playerbase. One guy resigned, one used their position to take PCP districts, and another was removed due to not bothering to post or play. How can you trust that? Um, no. The CPM (mostly) helped balance the game and pushed to make the game better. That is proven if you were to actually take the time to see what they were doing on the forums. Edit: DPLAK They've done nothing to make it better. Lol, you obviously haven't been paying attention. I always pay attention. How much have you been paying him? 5 dollars, 10?! I'm going to have a word with attention. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right. #Imperiumftw
AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2016.04.22 18:57:00 - [116] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: I am not super confident tho. They apparently have a playable version at fanfest but it took Valkyrie a year to go from that stage to alpha. Also Hilmar was not very confident when he said we want to make it free to play as if no monetization is in place yet. dust 514 is free to play and yet still profitable How long did it take them to make a profit?
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1899	Posted - 2016.04.22 19:44:00 - [117] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: By the way the game has reduced playercounts. Dust has 32 players (16vs16) and Nova has 12 players (6vs6) active on one map. That was only for the demo. Well see about that some time later down the road. Until then ill relate to the demo on the fanfest. Ya know if you presentate a game in a early stage you have a general idea where your game is supposed to go. The public only reacts in two ways to a presentation which is either negative or positive. However since it is heavily influenced by Dust it has to be compared. Every alternation, every design decision has the chance to alienate their former/current playerbase. Imagine it if CCP releases EVE 2 which is drastically dumbed down where you can only chose a ship but arent aible to alter the fitting. That would cause a massive uproar in the existing playerbase and with that the potential to loose your playerbase. Surely i will keep an eye out for development changes and more gameplay while time passes. But for now it hasnt made a good start at all. Most developers hold off with public presantations till they know where they are going with the game and what the concept is all about. If you just go ahead and do it to keep the dust players on the hook while having a crappy presantation you only risk it to loose sayd players. Anyway i would like to know if CCP will be at the gamescom this year and if "project Nova" will be showcased there. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
OVERLORD GUCI Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:03:00 - [118] - Quote Dust 514 and it's playerbase failed, very shity playerbase. CCP should move in the opposite direction away from it's failed game Dust 514 and very shtty playerbase
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12972	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:11:00 - [119] - Quote Rattati and Company have taken the tack that simply porting the game as-is would be unacceptable. Lag problems, buggy code, easy to exploit glitches that seem hardwired into the core of the game, poor hit detection, the list goes on. Starting clean with a new interface, and building the core game around an engine that was not their Frankenstein UE3 job was key. As a result the development priority, so far as I can tell (I do not sit in on the internal development meetings, and I have to extrapolate a lot) is that the primary goal for the early phases of development is a functional shooter where all of the basic mechanics (running, shooting, hacking, not falling through the map) are addressed first, completed first and adjusted to work as intended before scooting forward and adding in things that people may want, or expect. That's what the tech demo is, effectively, in my opinion. It's a show that CCP Shanghai's current crop of developers can build a game capable of delivering a meaningful in-the-helmet combat game that is fun to run and shoot people with first, before all other considerations. If that doesn't happen, then none of the MMO, touchy-feely social, or vehicle features will matter. DUST proved you could have an amazing social experience centered around a mediocre first-person shooter. The current team is building a good shooter first, then adding in the things that might make the shooter into a proper game with social aspects and betrayal meta, more in-depth features, etc. But without that good core gameplay? None of the rest of it matter anyway. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
Ghural WarRavens Imperium Eden 453	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:37:00 - [120] - Quote Yeah people shouldn't underestimate the impact of details like 60 FPS. Some of the planetary conquest battles in dust played like PowerPoint presentations.



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