DUST Search - Let's discuss a major issue inherent in PC involvement in Dust 5...

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

While I do think cheating could be a problem with PC, there are plenty of good reasons to port to PC before the PS4.

First, is that with Sony, there are limitations to the updates, how and when they are implemented. For this reason, if Legion/DustPort is on PC, they can address and fix bugs and glitches more quickly, and if something doesn't work quite right with the fix, they can adjust it, and will know to do the same for the PS4. This speeds up the feedback loops, and means that PS4 problems can be fixed more quickly with fewer negative consequences.

Second, with Sony, there are no test servers, so players can't test out changes beforehand. This leads to many of the problems we have experienced, like super rocket tanks, rifles with RPMs in multiples of what is intended etc. On PC, CCP would be able to have test servers (I assume, I could be wrong), and many of these issues would be obvious and be fixed before the update ever comes out, so we see fewer problems. Even if they can't fix it, they may decide not to release an update that would have more negatives than positives. Either way, it works out for the PS4 players.

Perhaps I am wrong, and my limited knowledge of game development has led me to inaccurate to conclusions, but based upon what I know, or at least think I know, a port to the PC prior to a PS4 port would be ideal. Even if there is cheating on the PC, most PC gamers are used to cheaters, and with EVE on the PC, many would still prefer to play on PC even with the cheating. I think PS3 to PC to PS4 would bring in the largest number of players, with the greatest amount of benefit to both CCP and EVE and Dust supporters.

All reasons are moot in front of the issue of easy hacking.

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Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.11 20:54:00 - [1] - Quote That issue is Hacking. Now I'm not trying to start a debate over platform. I'm going to invoke #portDust514 in the hopes that we maintain civility and discuss the issue objectively. What I want is to hear your ideas for countering the Hacking issue that remains in many PC games, and possibly even your personal experiences with it. I wanted to make a thread about this because of a lengthy discussion I had with Cat Merc on how Valve-Anti-Cheat and the Overwatch system work on Counter Strike: Global Offensive. He informed me that despite the lengths they've gone to, it has only reduced the population of hackers, and that they are still a reality of playing the game. So what are your thoughts on this or potential solutions? If the game released on PC or on both platforms, how would you attempt to combat this issue? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:01:00 - [2] - Quote This is one of those things you just do the best you can and live with it. Shame on anyone who hacks in any game that negatively impacts another player, and you know darn well the lame excuses you tell yourself for why you do it are pathetic. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:03:00 - [3] - Quote It's an unavoidable reality of first person shooters on PC. Honestly it's why I believe a next gen DUST should come to the PS4 rather than PC. A free 2 play game where a cheater can do lasting damage? That's just asking for it. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote Can't remember the game, but one has a system were players community decide over bans for hackers, data showed that cheater number greatly lowered. Regressed to blueberry level.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:11:00 - [5] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Can't remember the game, but one has a system were players community decide over bans for hackers, data showed that cheater number greatly lowered. I believe that would be the Overwatch system in CS:GO that I mentioned. Community members can review footage from the perspective of the cheater in order to determine guilt. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:12:00 - [6] - Quote Or the mark of shame that lets you play the game but with lowered stats. It is indeed one of the problems. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM]
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:21:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: shaman oga wrote: Can't remember the game, but one has a system were players community decide over bans for hackers, data showed that cheater number greatly lowered. I believe that would be the Overwatch system in CS:GO that I mentioned. Community members can review footage from the perspective of the cheater in order to determine guilt. It was an article, can't remember if it was a moba or a card game. Heartstone , league of legends one of those games played by a lot of people. Regressed to blueberry level.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:23:00 - [8] - Quote The issue concerns me most in areas where we most influence EVE Online. I've actually seen EVE players admit that at least on consoles they don't have to worry about losing systems to cheaters winning battles to flip planets in that system. Imagine how they would react if their hard work in space can be undone by some assholes with cheat software? And especially the fact that banning said assholes won't even deter them because they can just make a new account and hop right back in? I don't want to create a divide between the two games or do anything more to fuel the Console vs PC bullshit. However, I also don't want to arbitrarily exclude a large population of gamers from being able to play the game for that reason alone. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:33:00 - [9] - Quote I like the systems that do things like making ammo and damage next to nothing, so you see people not realizing and hoping online to complain about it. Its hilarious to see the cheaters out themselves. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:39:00 - [10] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I like the systems that do things like making ammo and damage next to nothing, so you see people not realizing and hoping online to complain about it. Its hilarious to see the cheaters out themselves. That's actually fairly clever. I liked one story I read about cheaters in EVE using a bug in manufacturing to instantly complete jobs that allowed them to make a ton of ISK. CCP logged in on their Dev characters and blew up all their assets manually, then banned them afterward. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:44:00 - [11] - Quote The future of Dust on PC. https://youtu.be/IOgPqNL8sy4?t=45 EA couldn't stop it. Valve can't stop it (only deter it). Do you think CCP could? Dust on PC is guaranteed failure with CCP's workforce. It's PS4 or bust. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:50:00 - [12] - Quote This discussion is the main reason I want a ps4 port. Wallhack, aimbots, and godmode will be there day one. And will run off more players than lag and rubberbanding ever did. I have a good tower, and a ps4. Just seems like less heartache on console. Keep m/kb support (and allow bindings..) and pc guys have a use for their gaming gears. I've never been killed by someone and cried "They had m/kb! NOT FAIR!" Nobody got time for that. I haven't paid attention to the who killed me screen in a year.. I'd rather just respawn. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:05:00 - [13] - Quote While I do think cheating could be a problem with PC, there are plenty of good reasons to port to PC before the PS4. First, is that with Sony, there are limitations to the updates, how and when they are implemented. For this reason, if Legion/DustPort is on PC, they can address and fix bugs and glitches more quickly, and if something doesn't work quite right with the fix, they can adjust it, and will know to do the same for the PS4. This speeds up the feedback loops, and means that PS4 problems can be fixed more quickly with fewer negative consequences. Second, with Sony, there are no test servers, so players can't test out changes beforehand. This leads to many of the problems we have experienced, like super rocket tanks, rifles with RPMs in multiples of what is intended etc. On PC, CCP would be able to have test servers (I assume, I could be wrong), and many of these issues would be obvious and be fixed before the update ever comes out, so we see fewer problems. Even if they can't fix it, they may decide not to release an update that would have more negatives than positives. Either way, it works out for the PS4 players. Perhaps I am wrong, and my limited knowledge of game development has led me to inaccurate to conclusions, but based upon what I know, or at least think I know, a port to the PC prior to a PS4 port would be ideal. Even if there is cheating on the PC, most PC gamers are used to cheaters, and with EVE on the PC, many would still prefer to play on PC even with the cheating. I think PS3 to PC to PS4 would bring in the largest number of players, with the greatest amount of benefit to both CCP and EVE and Dust supporters. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:07:00 - [14] - Quote Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating f**ks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:08:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: While I do think cheating could be a problem with PC, there are plenty of good reasons to port to PC before the PS4. First, is that with Sony, there are limitations to the updates, how and when they are implemented. For this reason, if Legion/DustPort is on PC, they can address and fix bugs and glitches more quickly, and if something doesn't work quite right with the fix, they can adjust it, and will know to do the same for the PS4. This speeds up the feedback loops, and means that PS4 problems can be fixed more quickly with fewer negative consequences. Second, with Sony, there are no test servers, so players can't test out changes beforehand. This leads to many of the problems we have experienced, like super rocket tanks, rifles with RPMs in multiples of what is intended etc. On PC, CCP would be able to have test servers (I assume, I could be wrong), and many of these issues would be obvious and be fixed before the update ever comes out, so we see fewer problems. Even if they can't fix it, they may decide not to release an update that would have more negatives than positives. Either way, it works out for the PS4 players. Perhaps I am wrong, and my limited knowledge of game development has led me to inaccurate to conclusions, but based upon what I know, or at least think I know, a port to the PC prior to a PS4 port would be ideal. Even if there is cheating on the PC, most PC gamers are used to cheaters, and with EVE on the PC, many would still prefer to play on PC even with the cheating. I think PS3 to PC to PS4 would bring in the largest number of players, with the greatest amount of benefit to both CCP and EVE and Dust supporters. All reasons are moot in front of the issue of easy hacking. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:09:00 - [16] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating fks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Destiny is vulnerable to it because it's Peer to Peer. You don't see any of that in DUST do you? Ripley Riley:** > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:11:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating f**ks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Destiny is vulnerable to it because it's Peer to Peer. You don't see any of that in DUST do you? DUST is also server side for the most part. You'd have to break in and change DUST's values on the server, not the client. DUST is one of the few games where hit detection is not handled client side. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:13:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating fks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Destiny is vulnerable to it because it's Peer to Peer. You don't see any of that in DUST do you? DUST is also server side for the most part. You'd have to break in and change DUST's values on the server, not the client. DUST is one of the few games where hit detection is not handled client side. Uh, CSGO hit detection isn't client side. BF4 hit detection isn't client side. Both of those are infested with cheaters from my experience. The volume of cheaters is just on a completely different scale on PC. With consoles it's like a once in a blue moon occurrence. Ripley Riley:** > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y Shadow of Dust 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:14:00 - [19] - Quote The main reason I'm against a PC port is because there will be no way to stop people from hacking and cheating. The best way to reduce the amount of cheating/having is to keep it on a console. The whole "#portdust514" thing? First off a "#" does nothing on here and anything with "#" infront of it aside from a number just looks stupid. Secondly, if you've taken note, there are a mass amount of problems that stem from everything they do to this game. If they touch something, another thing breaks somewhere else. A port would be the end of the game and it would never be playable. CCP already has their focus on other games, everyone just needs to accept Dust isn't going anywhere already. The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:14:00 - [20] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating f*ks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Every time we bring up the possibility of people cheating on dust, its always "OPE NOPE, YOU CANT CHEAT ON DUST!" But when you are winning, then lag starts, and all of a sudden you are five capped... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it*~

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:15:00 - [21] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: While I do think cheating could be a problem with PC, there are plenty of good reasons to port to PC before the PS4. First, is that with Sony, there are limitations to the updates, how and when they are implemented. For this reason, if Legion/DustPort is on PC, they can address and fix bugs and glitches more quickly, and if something doesn't work quite right with the fix, they can adjust it, and will know to do the same for the PS4. This speeds up the feedback loops, and means that PS4 problems can be fixed more quickly with fewer negative consequences. Second, with Sony, there are no test servers, so players can't test out changes beforehand. This leads to many of the problems we have experienced, like super rocket tanks, rifles with RPMs in multiples of what is intended etc. On PC, CCP would be able to have test servers (I assume, I could be wrong), and many of these issues would be obvious and be fixed before the update ever comes out, so we see fewer problems. Even if they can't fix it, they may decide not to release an update that would have more negatives than positives. Either way, it works out for the PS4 players. Perhaps I am wrong, and my limited knowledge of game development has led me to inaccurate to conclusions, but based upon what I know, or at least think I know, a port to the PC prior to a PS4 port would be ideal. Even if there is cheating on the PC, most PC gamers are used to cheaters, and with EVE on the PC, many would still prefer to play on PC even with the cheating. I think PS3 to PC to PS4 would bring in the largest number of players, with the greatest amount of benefit to both CCP and EVE and Dust supporters. All reasons are moot in front of the issue of easy hacking. In which case we still get the PS4 port, and if PC players find the cheating overly burdensome, they can get on and play on the PS4. EVE is on the PC, and I am sure it has its share of cheaters, but many if not most of them still prefer it. Why not give everyone what they want if it is fairly feasible? With PS4 having the same x86 architecture as the PC, it is much easier to port between the two than with the PS3. I don't see any reason to arbitrarily limit the game to a single system. I can understand if there are technological and financial reasons, but I see fewer if any of those being the case with a PC to PS4 port. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:16:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating f**ks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Destiny is vulnerable to it because it's Peer to Peer. You don't see any of that in DUST do you? DUST is also server side for the most part. You'd have to break in and change DUST's values on the server, not the client. DUST is one of the few games where hit detection is not handled client side. That's not how most aimbots work. It seeks a model or visual representation on the screen and homes in on it with an external program. The games programming itself has nothing to do with it, which is why many aimbot programs are universal and work from game to game with a simple profile switch. Wallhacks are a bit more creative, but usually have to do with blocking a certain set of textures from being rendered from your GFX card. Again, not requiring any altering of the games programming or data. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:23:00 - [23] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating fks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Destiny is vulnerable to it because it's Peer to Peer. You don't see any of that in DUST do you? DUST is also server side for the most part. You'd have to break in and change DUST's values on the server, not the client. DUST is one of the few games where hit detection is not handled client side. That's not how most aimbots work. It seeks a model or visual representation on the screen and homes in on it with an external program. The games programming itself has nothing to do with it, which is why many aimbot programs are universal and work from game to game with a simple profile switch. Wallhacks are a bit more creative, but usually have to do with blocking a certain set of textures from being rendered from your GFX card. Again, not requiring any altering of the games programming or data. Can confirm. In my younger days when I was a dickwad I learned a lot about how cheats work while using them occasionally. Ripley Riley:** > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:24:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating f**ks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Destiny is vulnerable to it because it's Peer to Peer. You don't see any of that in DUST do you? DUST is also server side for the most part. You'd have to break in and change DUST's values on the server, not the client. DUST is one of the few games where hit detection is not handled client side. That's not how most aimbots work. It seeks a model or visual representation on the screen and homes in on it with an external program. The games programming itself has nothing to do with it, which is why many aimbot programs are universal and work from game to game with a simple profile switch. Wallhacks are a bit more creative, but usually have to do with blocking a certain set of textures from being rendered from your GFX card. Again, not requiring any altering of the games programming or data. Can confirm. In my younger days when I was a dickwad I learned a lot about how cheats work while using them occasionally. Remember how you could speed hack around in the original counter-strike by overclocking the hell out of your system? That was some hilarious stuff. But yea, again, didn't involve changing the games programming at all. Just screwing with other stuff. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 23:00:00 - [25] - Quote [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.11 23:04:00 - [26] - Quote Devadander wrote: [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. That would completely ruin the game though. One Universe. One War. That's the foundation this game is built on, and is essential to it being part of New Eden. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 23:08:00 - [27] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. That would completely ruin the game though. One Universe. One War. That's the foundation this game is built on, and is essential to it being part of New Eden. I don't see it. If pc/ps4 were allowed in same chat channels, it would be as one universe as we are now... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.12.11 23:35:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating f**ks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. There's no custom firmware for ps4- the infinite super spam is a game glitch, not a hack itself and the lagswich, well, you can usually deal with it by simply not allowing a player to be the host and not allowing client side hit detection. Let's be honest: have you played some (minor, ok) free to play games on Steam? have you never noticed how the quantity of hackers exponentially grows when you play (just naming one) Skill? or Heroes & Generals? It's stupidly high. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM]
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.12 00:06:00 - [29] - Quote Devadander wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. That would completely ruin the game though. One Universe. One War. That's the foundation this game is built on, and is essential to it being part of New Eden. I don't see it. If pc/ps4 were allowed in same chat channels, it would be as one universe as we are now... You've seen my example of territorial conflict right? If not, imagine being unable to take a planet because the people on it are on another platform. The game needs to either be fully cross-play or not at all. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.12 00:41:00 - [30] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. That would completely ruin the game though. One Universe. One War. That's the foundation this game is built on, and is essential to it being part of New Eden. I don't see it. If pc/ps4 were allowed in same chat channels, it would be as one universe as we are now... You've seen my example of territorial conflict right? If not, imagine being unable to take a planet because the people on it are on another platform. The game needs to either be fully cross-play or not at all. You have lost me... All I can gather from this tree is that it HAS to be ps4 only. If you are talking about eve taking planets, and dust affecting that, it already happens to a minor degree. And we are on another platform. If you mean, we get it on pc/ps4 together, and the pc players CHEAT a system into being untakable. I believe that's what this whole thread is about... The dangers of a pc dust vs a ps4. So ... Huh? Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~



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