DUST Search - Let's discuss a major issue inherent in PC involvement in Dust 5...

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Meee One wrote:

I like how everyone is using nonpersistent games for example.
"Well in BF..."
"In CS it's like this..."

Those games effectively change nothing in the long run.
Ffs,their progress resets when a newer version is released.

However in Dust (as invisioned) those same said actions (hackers) would have dramatic changes,possibly even permanent ones.

And idiotic people are like "but it should still come to PC".

It makes me picture them as an old pervert trying to lure the immature Dust into their van for "candy".

The long-term damage is far too great to risk on an imaginary sense that "i own a PC therefore it should be on PC".

Taking all factors into consideration it should go to PS4.

Reasons:
-less long-term damage
-it was supposed to be a bridge between the platforms (but EVE players are so spoiled they want to recall it exclusively for themselves)
-streamlined updates by sony
-uniform programming can be used
-will bring in more EVE players from a fresh untapped market

That last reason is very important,re-read it.

I happen to agree with you, but I wanted to see what ideas people had for combatting that problem so we could focus on issues like control discrepancies in the case of cross-play.


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Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:50:00 - [1] - Quote This discussion is the main reason I want a ps4 port. Wallhack, aimbots, and godmode will be there day one. And will run off more players than lag and rubberbanding ever did. I have a good tower, and a ps4. Just seems like less heartache on console. Keep m/kb support (and allow bindings..) and pc guys have a use for their gaming gears. I've never been killed by someone and cried "They had m/kb! NOT FAIR!" Nobody got time for that. I haven't paid attention to the who killed me screen in a year.. I'd rather just respawn. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 22:14:00 - [2] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately, the reality is cheaters infest all of the gaming platforms. Just on Destiny on PS4 I have been repatedly subjected to lag switching, Invulnerability mode, infinite super spam and all sorts of things enabled by people utilizing custom firmware rigged to bypass Sony and game company anti-cheating measures, especially during competitive events like Trials of Osiris and Iron Banner. Complaining about one platform having cheating f*ks, and not acknowledging them on the other is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Every time we bring up the possibility of people cheating on dust, its always "OPE NOPE, YOU CANT CHEAT ON DUST!" But when you are winning, then lag starts, and all of a sudden you are five capped... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it*~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 23:00:00 - [3] - Quote [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 23:08:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. That would completely ruin the game though. One Universe. One War. That's the foundation this game is built on, and is essential to it being part of New Eden. I don't see it. If pc/ps4 were allowed in same chat channels, it would be as one universe as we are now... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.12 00:41:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: [Lots of quotes] This is the kind of honest reality I was hoping to see in this thread. By all means, make it pc/ps4. Just don't put us in the same battles.. That would completely ruin the game though. One Universe. One War. That's the foundation this game is built on, and is essential to it being part of New Eden. I don't see it. If pc/ps4 were allowed in same chat channels, it would be as one universe as we are now... You've seen my example of territorial conflict right? If not, imagine being unable to take a planet because the people on it are on another platform. The game needs to either be fully cross-play or not at all. You have lost me... All I can gather from this tree is that it HAS to be ps4 only. If you are talking about eve taking planets, and dust affecting that, it already happens to a minor degree. And we are on another platform. If you mean, we get it on pc/ps4 together, and the pc players CHEAT a system into being untakable. I believe that's what this whole thread is about... The dangers of a pc dust vs a ps4. So ... Huh? Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.12 00:54:00 - [6] - Quote I getcha there. That makes sense. But when you said it needs to be fully cross play or not at all.. You mean a mixed pool? Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.12 04:14:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Devadander wrote: I getcha there. That makes sense. But when you said it needs to be fully cross play or not at all.. You mean a mixed pool? Yes. The ability to fight anyone regardless of location on the planet is the most central feature of EVE Online. The same must be true of Dust and platform played on. Ah, then I must be strictly ps4 from now on. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.14 16:23:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Meee One wrote: I like how everyone is using nonpersistent games for example. "Well in BF..." "In CS it's like this..." Those games effectively change nothing in the long run. Ffs,their progress resets when a newer version is released. However in Dust (as invisioned) those same said actions (hackers) would have dramatic changes,possibly even permanent ones. And idiotic people are like "but it should still come to PC". It makes me picture them as an old pervert trying to lure the immature Dust into their van for "candy". The long-term damage is far too great to risk on an imaginary sense that "i own a PC therefore it should be on PC". Taking all factors into consideration it should go to PS4. Reasons: -less long-term damage -it was supposed to be a bridge between the platforms (but EVE players are so spoiled they want to recall it exclusively for themselves) -streamlined updates by sony -uniform programming can be used -will bring in more EVE players from a fresh untapped market That last reason is very important,re-read it. I happen to agree with you, but I wanted to see what ideas people had for combatting that problem so we could focus on issues like control discrepancies in the case of cross-play. In all this time, I've recruited people from everywhere but eve. O.o total mindwarp. Back on topic. My concerns about pc have always been strong. This thread and its many posters has solidified that concern. I cannot support dust on pc. There have been some bugs, we kept playing. There has been some lag, we kept playing. Imagine spawning in at ground, and being headshotted by a bolt pistol from 2000+ meters. Even better... Imagine if you will, a world where blaster madrugars have aimbot.... drops mic Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.14 17:13:00 - [9] - Quote Yeah, noticed that on a re-read. Oh well, the rest of that post still stands xD Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~