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Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 275	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:33:00 - [1] - Quote Posting in a topic regarding Officer weapon removal, I commented that I'd support a full reset instead of that. IamDuncanIdaho agreed with me, so that makes 2 of us I am wondering how many more would? So I am opening this post to source player opinions of full resets (ISK+SP+Assets) I would also like to hear from CCP/CPM regarding what could be done ^^ (Is it even allowed? do Aur purchases cause issue here? Booster usage? etc.) I have 100mil SP+ 1000's of Officer weapons + $$$ So inb4 "I earned my shiznit, no way they are taking it" Story time I began this game, as clueless as any blueberry unfortunate enough to download Dust, my initial research was getting shot in the face repeatedly and along with some friends we gamed for the first few months oblivious to the forum community, CCP or anything else outside of a Pub/FW match.. DMG began as a group of casual gamers wanting to try an FPS, at this stage recruitment was pretty open, using the finest requirements in New Eden which I stand by today "Don't be a D1CK". There was no interest in community/competition as the game felt like a test demo.. our early goal was just to see what CCP could do with it, sigh the good ole' days when the team actually did something during server downtime most days, and players used to get excited before updates/changes.. It wasn't until an in-game event, months into playing that I ever checked the Forum It wasn't until FF when promise of expansion died that I ever took interest in PC.. In my recent gaming, PC's are the only highlight of Dust.. In public matches..I mostly feel guilty lol as 80% of the players are so far behind they get REKT by a scrub like me.. can/should I claim "skill" here ?? I know most would.. who cares how you went 20/0 as long as you look good.. but I can't enjoy this gameplay at all.. and when I compare it to the old days.. derping about in my militia fits stubbornly going 4/20 as I kept trying to 1v1 that proto scrub (worth it) I have to say, it was more fun back then.. the enitre l33t mentality Dust has been infected with.. is not fun.. ffs, you're an immortal clone.. who cares if you went 20/0.. you realise you can respawn don't you ?? But players don't, they play each battle with risk averse tactics, trying to save dem dolla bills yo.. and with the sheer advantage I have as a bad player with too much ISK+SP.. I have to lol when gamers here act like they are the best.. when in reality.. they are just exploiting a bad system. So it comes down to this.. do we stay comfortable and keep our stuff... OR, do we save CCP the hassle of cleaning up after a failed DEV team ?? = FULL RESET. Never, in my time on Dust has there been a level playing field, another thing overdue fixing Well that was a surprise.
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 275	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:36:00 - [2] - Quote Inb4 Hawkings Greenback's smart comments about my short story forum posts For the rest of you, join DMG!! then I may give a damn about your trouble reading Well that was a surprise.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 512	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:37:00 - [3] - Quote -1 If you'd like to give up your time, money and assets go ahead. Me, I've put an immense amount of time and money into suits, Aur, and boosters.
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 563	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:40:00 - [4] - Quote No I wasted too much time and money just to be reset..I had enough of that in closed beta..now after dust is ported then yeah I'm game but I'd like us to get something out of it at least.. CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Imps>NS>NF
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:45:00 - [5] - Quote 2 defenders of the.. crappiest system imaginable leading to some of the worst results in gameplay balance.. I was thinking of one perk to sooth the butthurt. - Add Suit/Weapon SKINS for each L5 item you have skilled. Boosters are a major issue.. as handing them back will allow vets to earn over 2mil SP in a week easily.. harsh as it may be.. I dont see an option on refunding these.. it would defeat the purpose of resetting at all. Apart from that.. I have spent over 500 euro and more time on Dust than any game I've played before.. I'd sacrifice all of it to be able to play a "gg" Well that was a surprise.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:56:00 - [6] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: OP Full reset? ** no. ** off with that silliness. I want to keep my progression. Now, if/when we ever get a port, an ISK reset would be nice to have. This would flush the massive ISK wallets created by PC. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
steve0809 Glitched Connection 77	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:01:00 - [7] - Quote I have been Playing since Feb 2013 and agree that the struggle when I started (got excited if I managed a single kill!) was preferable to the game now. Its either stomp or be stomped and is no fun at all either way. I have a few hundred officer weapons and a couple of suits and would gladly give them all up if we could get some decent matches again. I have invested both time and money into this game and would like to get back to enjoying it again even if that means "leveling the playing field"
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 282	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:02:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: OP Full reset? ** no. ** off with that silliness. I want to keep my progression. Now, if/when we ever get a port, an ISK reset would be nice to have. This would flush the massive ISK wallets created by PC. You know during the first SP events.. players were able to cap out in 1 PC battle.. and a lot of vet district holders would not be strangers to hugging a depot and farming WP, so they made SP out of it also, and if we are going to fix the mistakes of old Devs.. = Remove ALL the mistakes of old Devs. Well that was a surprise.
dzizur Nos Nothi 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:03:00 - [9] - Quote +1
KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:04:00 - [10] - Quote Helllllllllllll no. I like having multiple roles. The only way I'd do a reset is if Dust moved to a new platform. Because beer, that's why.

Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 282	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:05:00 - [11] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Helllllllllllll no. I like having multiple roles. The only way I'd do a reset is if Dust moved to a new platform. Yeah.. why not leave this version as bad as possible.. just to put it off until Dust 2.0 Well that was a surprise.
KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:07:00 - [12] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: Helllllllllllll no. I like having multiple roles. The only way I'd do a reset is if Dust moved to a new platform. Yeah.. why not leave this version as bad as possible.. just to put it off until Dust 2.0 Tell your mom to bake me a pie, I'm coming over to play Dust, not whine about it. Because beer, that's why.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:07:00 - [13] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: You know during the first SP events.. players were able to cap out in 1 PC battle.. and a lot of vet district holders would not be strangers to hugging a depot and farming WP, so they made SP out of it also, and if we are going to fix the mistakes of old Devs.. = Remove ALL the mistakes of old Devs. Too much collateral damage in that case. What about the players who have only been playing for a matter of weeks, still skilling into cores and their first dropsuit/weapon? They would be told, "Okay, all of that progress you made? It's gone. Start over." Our already poor NPE would be terrifically insulting. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say what you are proposing would cause thousands of players who are 6 months or less old to quit Dust entirely. The small population of new players we have would be cut in half or more. So, yeah, this is a terrible idea. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 282	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:09:00 - [14] - Quote I'll be back to check on this later. A reset is possible when this is ported, and anything in the game is subject to change Full reset solves a number of the games major issues in one quick move. Like anyone, I will miss what I had before it but it's an easy sacrifice if it improves the quality of the game for all players. I would like to hear what CCP think of this. Well that was a surprise.
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 235	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:12:00 - [15] - Quote At least we all now know how important it is to scrutinize ANY mechanic that CCP comes up with that might give players an advantage just for being in the game longer. Really messes things up down the track and gets out of control very easily. Something is killing new player retention.
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 282	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:12:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: You know during the first SP events.. players were able to cap out in 1 PC battle.. and a lot of vet district holders would not be strangers to hugging a depot and farming WP, so they made SP out of it also, and if we are going to fix the mistakes of old Devs.. = Remove ALL the mistakes of old Devs. Too much collateral damage in that case. What about the players who have only been playing for a matter of weeks, still skilling into cores and their first dropsuit/weapon? They would be told, "Okay, all of that progress you made? It's gone. Start over." Our already poor NPE would be terrifically insulting. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say what you are proposing would cause thousands of players who are 6 months or less old to quit Dust entirely. The small population of new players we have would be cut in half or more. So, yeah, this is a terrible idea. LOL Every stomper gets reduced to their level.. and you think they will all quit ??? hardly. It's much more likely a few more weeks of crappy stomps will have a worse effect.... I actually hunt and squad with newbies from time to time, very few will quit over levelling the playing field. Well that was a surprise.
KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:16:00 - [17] - Quote Yeah we should all make way for the new players and give them everything they ask for. Hell let's reset EVE too bc I want to play it but there are ppl with more ISK and assets than I can make mining for a solid month! Because beer, that's why.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:18:00 - [18] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: I actually hunt and squad with newbies from time to time, very few will quit over leveling the playing field. I know human nature. Having weeks worth of work undone in an instant is going to sting, I don't care how you spin it to the new players. You will cause many to quit. You personally can save a few new players by squading with them, but a couple squads of new players who stick around pales in comparison to the hundreds who quit outright. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:21:00 - [19] - Quote Idk if it would fix anything to be honest. 1) it'll probably make a lot of people quit. 2) the same try hard types will still stack boosters and with the currently weekly skill cap they'd be running proto in no time at all while casual players get left in the dust... Again. The amount of potential SP you can earn in a week is at its highest ever. When we were noobs it took forever to grind out a proto suit, now it's a different story. Point being is newbs have every opportunity to get competitive levels of sp and as vets, earned sp means less and less. Now is the game fun enough for them to stick around that long, probably not. I think a better idea than resetting and seeing what happens is to fix current issues that drives people away. Such as... NPE in terms of tutorials and education Matchmaking Bugs Roof camping / map design Perhaps if we increase player retention we will have a better influx of new proto wearing scrubs to compete with.
Regnier Feros Dead Man's Game 950	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:23:00 - [20] - Quote MY MIC IS BROKEN SO YOU HAVE TO FC OKAY? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I LIKE PIE

Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 283	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:26:00 - [21] - Quote lol, I'm off in about 20mins.. will check timers when I get home. Good to know your opinion on my latest rambling idea, now go grab a slice of that pie my momma is baking for KGB Well that was a surprise.
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 283	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:30:00 - [22] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Idk if it would fix anything to be honest. 1) it'll probably make a lot of people quit. 2) the same try hard types will still stack boosters and with the currently weekly skill cap they'd be running proto in no time at all while casual players get left in the dust... Again. The amount of potential SP you can earn in a week is at its highest ever. When we were noobs it took forever to grind out a proto suit, now it's a different story. Point being is newbs have every opportunity to get competitive levels of sp and as vets, earned sp means less and less. Now is the game fun enough for them to stick around that long, probably not. I think a better idea than resetting and seeing what happens is to fix current issues that drives people away. Such as... NPE in terms of tutorials and education Matchmaking Bugs Roof camping / map design Perhaps if we increase player retention we will have a better influx of new proto wearing scrubs to compete with. Now that's a good reply, not just falling back on "QQ don't take my stuff" That's why I mentioned in OP about AUR purchases and boosters.. it throws a spanner in the works.. and the SP cap + 3x boosters add another.. tryhards.. will try pretty hard to get back to tryharding Still, there is no denying.. the biggest issue in-game is the SP/ISK difference between players. Well that was a surprise.
Regnier Feros Dead Man's Game 950	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:30:00 - [23] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: lol, I'm off in about 20mins.. will check timers when I get home. Good to know your opinion on my latest rambling idea, now go grab a slice of that pie my momma is baking for KGB ALSO I'M TYPING IN CAPS FOR A REASON Seriously though I don't want to lose the items I worked hard for I LIKE PIE
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 283	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:34:00 - [24] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: lol, I'm off in about 20mins.. will check timers when I get home. Good to know your opinion on my latest rambling idea, now go grab a slice of that pie my momma is baking for KGB ALSO I'M TYPING IN CAPS FOR A REASON Seriously though I don't want to lose the items I worked hard for OK, GOOD TO KNOW. I agree.. not an ideal option.. but how long are we going to watch CCP mess up as they try to fix a mess that ... They could just wipe out completely .. Since the initial mistakes.. it's an endless cycle of cleaning up .. where does it end ?? Well that was a surprise.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:40:00 - [25] - Quote This is a good topic, we should stick with it until we produces some answers. There's a core game design problem we need to solve. I like to call it the buckets of ISK problem, bISK for short. The game design problem is bISK. Forget PC 1.0 - we all agree it was foolish, destructive, irresponsible and slovenly for CCP to allow things to go on as they did for so long. Whatever. There's been stupidity in the past, there'll be other stupidities in the future, that doesn't change our collective game-design problem, bISK. I'm gonna say something now, you gotta promise not to laugh out loud until i'm done: one day this game will be fully integrated with EVE. If not this game, some other shooter set in New Eden. Point is, once economic integration happens, the peeps who have bISK now will be pretty much the same peeps who have bISK then, because the big EVE alliances will take good care of their elite ground forces - very good care. So, given that the top-end PvP corps will always be dripping with bISK, how do we design DUST Pubs & FW such that the bISK doesn't destroy the gameplay for the rest of the playerbase, especially the noobs? I would say the other design criteria are: Don't break up the playerbase, a single shard is New Eden's greatest strength. Discourage passive behavior, AFKing, etc. Encourage engaging the enemy and contributing to the team regardless of the odds. If we can solve the bISK problem(and a few others), a full reset would be unnecessary and serve the needs of the game far into the future. But burn it down or not, the bISK problem has not been solved yet, by the devs or the playerbase. PSN: RationalSpark
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 564	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:55:00 - [26] - Quote As I said before for a port yes..in its current state hell no..dust is dying on PS3 you won't get new players it's just a way to punish vets..probably realize all the good players won't come back so for a change you'll be top dawg Port=yes PS3=go punch your nuts CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Imps>NS>NF
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:02:00 - [27] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: This is a good topic, we should stick with it until we produces some answers. There's a core game design problem we need to solve. I like to call it the buckets of ISK problem, bISK for short. The game design problem is bISK. Forget PC 1.0 - we all agree it was foolish, destructive, irresponsible and slovenly for CCP to allow things to go on as they did for so long. Whatever. There's been stupidity in the past, there'll be other stupidities in the future, that doesn't change our collective game-design problem, bISK. I'm gonna say something now, you gotta promise not to laugh out loud until i'm done: one day this game will be fully integrated with EVE. If not this game, some other shooter set in New Eden. Point is, once economic integration happens, the peeps who have bISK now will be pretty much the same peeps who have bISK then, because the big EVE alliances will take good care of their elite ground forces - very good care. So, given that the top-end PvP corps will always be dripping with bISK, how do we design DUST Pubs & FW such that the bISK doesn't destroy the gameplay for the rest of the playerbase, especially the noobs? I would say the other design criteria are: Don't break up the playerbase, a single shard is New Eden's greatest strength. Discourage passive behavior, AFKing, etc. Encourage engaging the enemy and contributing to the team regardless of the odds. If we can solve the bISK problem(and a few others), a full reset would be unnecessary and serve the needs of the game far into the future. But burn it down or not, the bISK problem has not been solved yet, by the devs or the playerbase. Honest questions here. Does the bISK problem exist in Eve? If so how is it mitigated? My experience with eve consisted of flying around killing worthless pirates and shooting lasers at rocks. I always needed more isk but honestly I did not find it very entertaining to play. The lore and universe is super cool but... Yeah boring. I like dust because it's good classic video game fps fun. Perhaps we can take some notes from eve...
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:10:00 - [28] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: -1 If you'd like to give up your time, money and assets go ahead. Me, I've put an immense amount of time and money into suits, Aur, and boosters. ^ Same. I've supported CCP and DUST's development over the years by buying active & passive boosters. I don't need the SP (just shy of 100M), but I do it anyway. A RESET would be a slap in the face for my financial support. I would not spend another dime on DUST. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:18:00 - [29] - Quote Variation between rich and poor, low sp and high sp, is integral to the game i feel. Not really any point resetting it. Though if they reset it for a new game it would get a nice fresh feeling. Better to focus on reducing the advantage provided by all that isk and sp. SP: reduce passive skill bonuses. Make people pay isk for their advantages. ISK: more tricky. Encourage rich players to blow their isk on expensive stuff to fight other rich players. Allow poorer players the ability to fight amongst themselves without getting crushed by the rich.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:19:00 - [30] - Quote Not to say that I agree with the idea, but an asset wipe & refund (like the one we had following open beta) would be different. It'd likely PO those who've stockpiled officer gear, but it'd be far less offensive than a full reset. A reset would kill DUST. All the time and money we've invested, down the drain ... this is a terrible and dangerous idea. Dropsuit Usage Rates

Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:34:00 - [31] - Quote Meh, Dust is barely worth playing currently.. fear of killing it has passed.. The idea is extreme, luckily I am not a Dev, this is only trying to gather opinions I like where Vrain and Boot are taking the discussion...how does Eve deal with having billionaires and scrubs share the same Universe.. or is it just as one-sided as the crap we get down here on the ground ?? So, go to the store.. restock your tampons.. no one is taking anything from you (yet) Sorting out how to balance the difference is the simplest way to avoid resetting.. how do we do that ? Well that was a surprise.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:38:00 - [32] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: ... how do we do that ? Like this: * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2817081#post2817081 Dropsuit Usage Rates
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 514	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:42:00 - [33] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: Posting in a topic regarding Officer weapon removal, I commented that I'd support a full reset instead of that. IamDuncanIdaho agreed with me, so that makes 2 of us I am wondering how many more would? So I am opening this post to source player opinions of full resets (ISK+SP+Assets) I would also like to hear from CCP/CPM regarding what could be done ^^ (Is it even allowed? do Aur purchases cause issue here? Booster usage? etc.) I have 100mil SP+ 1000's of Officer weapons + $$$ So inb4 "I earned my shiznit, no way they are taking it" Story time I began this game, as clueless as any blueberry unfortunate enough to download Dust, my initial research was getting shot in the face repeatedly and along with some friends we gamed for the first few months oblivious to the forum community, CCP or anything else outside of a Pub/FW match.. DMG began as a group of casual gamers wanting to try an FPS, at this stage recruitment was pretty open, using the finest requirements in New Eden which I stand by today "Don't be a D1CK". There was no interest in community/competition as the game felt like a test demo.. our early goal was just to see what CCP could do with it, sigh the good ole' days when the team actually did something during server downtime most days, and players used to get excited before updates/changes.. It wasn't until an in-game event, months into playing that I ever checked the Forum It wasn't until FF when promise of expansion died that I ever took interest in PC.. In my recent gaming, PC's are the only highlight of Dust.. In public matches..I mostly feel guilty lol as 80% of the players are so far behind they get REKT by a scrub like me.. can/should I claim "skill" here ?? I know most would.. who cares how you went 20/0 as long as you look good.. but I can't enjoy this gameplay at all.. and when I compare it to the old days.. derping about in my militia fits stubbornly going 4/20 as I kept trying to 1v1 that proto scrub (worth it) I have to say, it was more fun back then.. the enitre l33t mentality Dust has been infected with.. is not fun.. ffs, you're an immortal clone.. who cares if you went 20/0.. you realise you can respawn don't you ?? But players don't, they play each battle with risk averse tactics, trying to save dem dolla bills yo.. and with the sheer advantage I have as a bad player with too much ISK+SP.. I have to lol when gamers here act like they are the best.. when in reality.. they are just exploiting a bad system. So it comes down to this.. do we stay comfortable and keep our stuff... OR, do we save CCP the hassle of cleaning up after a failed DEV team ?? = FULL RESET. Never, in my time on Dust has there been a level playing field, another thing overdue fixing I agree with a full respec the only thing I ask is let me keep my BPO's aleast Moo...
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:43:00 - [34] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: ...snip... Honest questions here. Does the bISK problem exist in Eve? If so how is it mitigated? My experience with eve consisted of flying around killing worthless pirates and shooting lasers at rocks. I always needed more isk but honestly I did not find it very entertaining to play. The lore and universe is super cool but... Yeah boring. I like dust because it's good classic video game fps fun. Perhaps we can take some notes from eve... bISK exists in EVE, for for several reasons it's not the problem it is here. The sandbox is divided by security rating - doesn't make noobs 100% safe from vets but there's several mechanisms(insurance, pilot security standing) that make the logistics of farming noobs considerably more of a PITA. In DUST with our lobby-shooter structure vets and noobs are crammed into the same matches together. If we had an open world structure like EVE this would be a very different conversation. Not a possibility atm, however. There are no game balance mechanisms to stop vets from preying on noobs - this is why we have officer stomp squads and vets squadding with noobs to get into the lower matchmaking tier. EVE has multiple forms of PvE, some of which is largely boring and repetitive in and of itself, but is spiced up by the potential PvP aspect and the cat-and-mouse game that always exists. Most importantly it's an activity where noobs can learn more about the game while making some ISK without facing the old gods in PvP all day long. The primary thing about the vet-noob balance question and bISK in DUST is that we have to make it all work inside of a lobby shooter match structure. I would argue that to serve New Eden and the playerbase, we need to do this without breaking players up into segregated communities. PSN: RationalSpark
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 14	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:47:00 - [35] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: This is a good topic, we should stick with it until we produces some answers. There's a core game design problem we need to solve. I like to call it the buckets of ISK problem, bISK for short. The game design problem is bISK. Forget PC 1.0 - we all agree it was foolish, destructive, irresponsible and slovenly for CCP to allow things to go on as they did for so long. Whatever. There's been stupidity in the past, there'll be other stupidities in the future, that doesn't change our collective game-design problem, bISK. I'm gonna say something now, you gotta promise not to laugh out loud until i'm done: one day this game will be fully integrated with EVE. If not this game, some other shooter set in New Eden. Point is, once economic integration happens, the peeps who have bISK now will be pretty much the same peeps who have bISK then, because the big EVE alliances will take good care of their elite ground forces - very good care. So, given that the top-end PvP corps will always be dripping with bISK, how do we design DUST Pubs & FW such that the bISK doesn't destroy the gameplay for the rest of the playerbase, especially the noobs? I would say the other design criteria are: Don't break up the playerbase, a single shard is New Eden's greatest strength. Discourage passive behavior, AFKing, etc. Encourage engaging the enemy and contributing to the team regardless of the odds. If we can solve the bISK problem(and a few others), a full reset would be unnecessary and serve the needs of the game far into the future. But burn it down or not, the bISK problem has not been solved yet, by the devs or the playerbase. Honest questions here. Does the bISK problem exist in Eve? If so how is it mitigated? My experience with eve consisted of flying around killing worthless pirates and shooting lasers at rocks. I always needed more isk but honestly I did not find it very entertaining to play. The lore and universe is super cool but... Yeah boring. I like dust because it's good classic video game fps fun. Perhaps we can take some notes from eve... That's completely your fault for choosing the two most mindless activities in EVE. Make some ISK, grab a frigate and go PvP. Join Horde, they'll teach you how to play. Get dank frags Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:48:00 - [36] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: ... how do we do that ? Like this: * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2817081#post2817081 Support this strongly. Noobs might still get turned to paste, but they'll be progress faster and be rewarded if they stand up to the wolf packs and would them a little bit. PSN: RationalSpark
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:22:00 - [37] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: Helllllllllllll no. I like having multiple roles. The only way I'd do a reset is if Dust moved to a new platform. Yeah.. why not leave this version as bad as possible.. just to put it off until Dust 2.0 What exactly is wrong with the current Skill Tree progression system?
Unholy HateGore highland marines 75	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:31:00 - [38] - Quote steve0809 wrote: I have been Playing since Feb 2013 and agree that the struggle when I started (got excited if I managed a single kill!) was preferable to the game now. Its either stomp or be stomped and is no fun at all either way. I have a few hundred officer weapons and a couple of suits and would gladly give them all up if we could get some decent matches again. I have invested both time and money into this game and would like to get back to enjoying it again even if that means "leveling the playing field" Yes I totally agree
Foo Fighting Blank Application 561	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:34:00 - [39] - Quote This suggestion is like communism - sounds good in theory but unworkable in practice. We would lose too many players. It would be like taking everyones house off them and redistributing the wealth to cure homelessness - 5 years later the bums are back on the street and the hard workers are back in the houses, but everyone has suffered along the way. Also how invested could you ever feel, knowing it had happened before and is likely to hapen again. Would you start again knowing if you tried too hard that big brother would take your stuff and give it to a hippy? I wouldn't.
byte modal 253	Posted - 2015.10.21 17:16:00 - [40] - Quote Don't forget that EvE BPO's are not perma-objects that you can simply fit and forget. It's just a recipe list that still requires resources to create the fitted object. Resources cost time to collect and/or ISK to purchase in order to make a completely destructible item. The argument of how DUST decided to handle BPOs goes way back, but now that they're part of every day use it doesn't come up much anymore. There's been a lot of wonky decisions made over the course of development. To be honest, I'm not sure anything but a clean port correcting the mistakes learned (hopefully?) during this pseudo beta game's life. Shame really, but that's the only way I see balance. The player base is currently too small, fragile, and territorial to survive most of the changes needed to make right what is wrong. New life comes with a port and a new player base, building the game the way it should have been done to begin with. Most vets will probably p!ss and moan and as much as I hate to admit it, they're right to do so---only in so much that CCP created the environment of player entitlement in which that attitude thrives. Just my 0.02ISK though. YMMV. idunno anymore. I'm actually sad that I don't know anymore, and getting to a point where I'm not sure I care anymore either. This is the first post in a while that I've not been trolling of goofing. That in and of itself says a lot to me. hm.... kitten bacon taco (nom)

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 17:44:00 - [41] - Quote byte modal wrote: Don't forget that EvE BPO's are not perma-objects that you can simply fit and forget. It's just a recipe list that still requires resources to create the fitted object. Resources cost time to collect and/or ISK to purchase in order to make a completely destructible item. The argument of how DUST decided to handle BPOs goes way back, but now that they're part of every day use it doesn't come up much anymore. There's been a lot of wonky decisions made over the course of development. To be honest, I'm not sure anything but a clean port correcting the mistakes learned (hopefully?) during this pseudo beta game's life. Shame really, but that's the only way I see balance. The player base is currently too small, fragile, and territorial to survive most of the changes needed to make right what is wrong. New life comes with a port and a new player base, building the game the way it should have been done to begin with. Most vets will probably p!ss and moan and as much as I hate to admit it, they're right to do so---only in so much that CCP created the environment of player entitlement in which that attitude thrives. Just my 0.02ISK though. YMMV. idunno anymore. I'm actually sad that I don't know anymore, and getting to a point where I'm not sure I care anymore either. This is the first post in a while that I've not been trolling of goofing. That in and of itself says a lot to me. hm.... Also agree re BPO: 'This isn't EVE' doesn't make the decision for BPOs to have absolutely no cost any less senseless - it's another design decision that removes meaning from the game and its gameplay. Wrong way to go, imo - if we want to reflect New Eden without all the overhead(bpo, bpc, mineral & resource inputs, research and manufacturing costs, etc.) we could just say BPOs reduce the cost of a suit by 2/3. Easy. Still helps out helps out players, adds meaning to decisions and gameplay, reflects the values of New Eden, aligns the economy and expectations of the playerbase for eventual integration with EVE. PSN: RationalSpark
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.21 17:53:00 - [42] - Quote If we ever got a full reset, I'd quit the game and be freed from this madness. I don't mind an isk/asset wipe, however (as long as we get to keep our BPOs/SKINs/exclusive BPCs (Quafe Scout gk.0, Hellmar Sentinel ak.0, etc.)). If we lose years of progress, in terms of SP, you'd lose the majority of the player base. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 513	Posted - 2015.10.21 18:32:00 - [43] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: 2 defenders of the.. crappiest system imaginable leading to some of the worst results in gameplay balance.. I was thinking of one perk to sooth the butthurt. - Add unique Suit+Weapon SKINS for each L5 item you have skilled. Boosters are a major issue.. as handing them back will allow vets to earn over 2mil SP in a week easily.. harsh as it may be.. I dont see an option on refunding these.. it would defeat the purpose of resetting at all. Apart from that.. I have spent over 500 euro and more time on Dust than any game I've played before.. I'd sacrifice all of it to be able to play a "gg" I've definitely spent over that and I'm not willing to give up my stuff. If you feel selling boosters or Aurum is a bad business practice bring that to CCP's attention. Don't chastise the player base for being sold on those items and for getting upset about being downwind of the idea that their time (irreplaceable resource) and money (fruits of their labors) should be taken away because some feel it's unfair. A basic Suit/weapon BPO is not an unfair advantage. What saving 800 isk per death is too much of an advantage?
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 513	Posted - 2015.10.21 18:33:00 - [44] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: OP Full reset? ** no. ** off with that silliness. I want to keep my progression. Now, if/when we ever get a port, an ISK reset would be nice to have. This would flush the massive ISK wallets created by PC. Totally agree Ripley. An isk reset isn't a major loss.
The Eristic Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 19:55:00 - [45] - Quote I would lol pretty hard, then celebrate my newfound freedom. Reality is the original Rorschach.
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 567	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:15:00 - [46] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: 2 defenders of the.. crappiest system imaginable leading to some of the worst results in gameplay balance.. I was thinking of one perk to sooth the butthurt. - Add unique Suit+Weapon SKINS for each L5 item you have skilled. Boosters are a major issue.. as handing them back will allow vets to earn over 2mil SP in a week easily.. harsh as it may be.. I dont see an option on refunding these.. it would defeat the purpose of resetting at all. Apart from that.. I have spent over 500 euro and more time on Dust than any game I've played before.. I'd sacrifice all of it to be able to play a "gg" I've definitely spent over that and I'm not willing to give up my stuff. If you feel selling boosters or Aurum is a bad business practice bring that to CCP's attention. Don't chastise the player base for being sold on those items and for getting upset about being downwind of the idea that their time (irreplaceable resource) and money (fruits of their labors) should be taken away because some feel it's unfair. A basic Suit/weapon BPO is not an unfair advantage. What saving 800 isk per death is too much of an advantage? People like him don't understand that when the actually skilled players played I still kicked ass..nothing would change other than I wouldn't have my ads or Wut I spent the last 2 years getting..either way the good players will remain good CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Imps>NS>NF
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:15:00 - [47] - Quote Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: I'd sacrifice all of it to be able to play a "gg" Would you be willing to sacrifice HP Pools / Slow TTK for the same result? As a newbro, I killed vets and protobears regularly in Chromosome. Don't get me wrong; I'd lose more often than I'd win, but they'd go down reliably when I managed to get the drop 'em. The same doesn't happen today, and I suspect power creep is to blame. We've voted for ourselves too many free passes in the forms + Slots and HP buffs ... and it seems more likely than not that CPM2 is pushing us further in the wrong direction. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Yeeeuuuupppp Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:37:00 - [48] - Quote no no *I'll boop you with a plasma Cannon* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 366	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:10:00 - [49] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: You know during the first SP events.. players were able to cap out in 1 PC battle.. and a lot of vet district holders would not be strangers to hugging a depot and farming WP, so they made SP out of it also, and if we are going to fix the mistakes of old Devs.. = Remove ALL the mistakes of old Devs. Too much collateral damage in that case. What about the players who have only been playing for a matter of weeks, still skilling into cores and their first dropsuit/weapon? They would be told, "Okay, all of that progress you made? It's gone. Start over." Our already poor NPE would be terrifically insulting. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say what you are proposing would cause thousands of players who are 6 months or less old to quit Dust entirely. The small population of new players we have would be cut in half or more. So, yeah, this is a terrible idea. No way Ripley....you know better so don't blow smoke up people's asses. I work with new players practically every day and I'll tell you THEY WOULD STAY AFTER A RESET!!! The reality is it has to come at some point. The game is a Beta test that went horribly wrong. It has proven the concept works, but the implementation was flawed. We all have mountains of ISK/SP, but its useless if the game dies. If there was ever the fairy tale of a port there would be a reset anyway. You can't release a game where new players are 3 years behind, so why fight it now? I understand personal feeling, but the NPE would jump all over this. Hell, most guys here a year or less would kill for it. So don't speak about what you obviously don't know. The new players want this BAD!!! I understand you are too myopic and would rather the game die than loss YOUR stuff, but in reality a reset is one of the few ideas that may keep this game from hemorrhaging players. I like my "stuff" as well, but I like playing more. It is a game, and not real life. I would like to keep playing the game, but the 7v12 games are a sign of much worse days to come. The new player queue does not have that issue. It develops in our MU. So, if we expect people to all play on the same field then we need to even it in some way.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:18:00 - [50] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: I would like to keep playing the game, but the 7v12 games are a sign of much worse days to come. 7v12 games have little to do with the existence of veterans or wealth. Veterans and wealth have existed since Beta; the "Leave Battle" problem and the resulting lopsided matches are a relatively new development. We can solve these problems without going full Spkr. Dropsuit Usage Rates

BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 366	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:19:00 - [51] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: byte modal wrote: Don't forget that EvE BPO's are not perma-objects that you can simply fit and forget. It's just a recipe list that still requires resources to create the fitted object. Resources cost time to collect and/or ISK to purchase in order to make a completely destructible item. The argument of how DUST decided to handle BPOs goes way back, but now that they're part of every day use it doesn't come up much anymore. There's been a lot of wonky decisions made over the course of development. To be honest, I'm not sure anything but a clean port correcting the mistakes learned (hopefully?) during this pseudo beta game's life. Shame really, but that's the only way I see balance. The player base is currently too small, fragile, and territorial to survive most of the changes needed to make right what is wrong. New life comes with a port and a new player base, building the game the way it should have been done to begin with. Most vets will probably p!ss and moan and as much as I hate to admit it, they're right to do so---only in so much that CCP created the environment of player entitlement in which that attitude thrives. Just my 0.02ISK though. YMMV. idunno anymore. I'm actually sad that I don't know anymore, and getting to a point where I'm not sure I care anymore either. This is the first post in a while that I've not been trolling of goofing. That in and of itself says a lot to me. hm.... Also agree re BPO: 'This isn't EVE' doesn't make the decision for BPOs to have absolutely no cost any less senseless - it's another design decision that removes meaning from the game and its gameplay. Wrong way to go, imo - if we want to reflect New Eden without all the overhead(bpo, bpc, mineral & resource inputs, research and manufacturing costs, etc.) we could just say BPOs reduce the cost of a suit by 2/3. Easy. Still helps out helps out players, adds meaning to decisions and gameplay, reflects the values of New Eden, aligns the economy and expectations of the playerbase for eventual integration with EVE. BPOs are not the issue....mountains of PC ISK are the issue. BPOs keep a lot of players playing as they can actually be semi competitive (never OP), but the PC ISK funds hordes of terrible players going 15/4 in pubs and losing a half million ISK per game. See it every day on here and so most of you. No one can afford to lose 5 million ISK a day for long without corp ISK. So, BPOs are not breaking the game. I am not the biggest fan of the BPO system either, but they ARE NOT the economy issue. If you really want good games then stop tracking K/D. People stay in matches then. Even if they do just run those BPOs.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 287	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:23:00 - [52] - Quote On, and here comes baragamos with his K/D is the problem crap. Keep blaming PC players for your lack of ability. They are the terrible ones lol. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 366	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:28:00 - [53] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: I would like to keep playing the game, but the 7v12 games are a sign of much worse days to come. 7v12 games have little to do with the existence of veterans or wealth. Veterans and wealth have both existed since Beta; the "Leave Battle" problem (and the resulting lopsided matches) are a relatively new development. We can solve these problems without going full Spkr. There's no reason to risk doing more harm when more sensible, lower risk measures are available. You don't see the NPE do you? They are 16v16 all game. We start a match in high MU and immediately 4 guys drop almost every game. They see guys of equal or better SP/Gear and boom the vanish like smoke. Most are these same guys whining about an even playing field. Veterans and wealth (outside of Technical issues) are the only problems with the game. WE ARE KILLING THE GAME!!! We kill any new growth as soon as it starts in order to protect our position in a fantasy GAME. We leave the games. We proto/officer stomp. We have mountains of gear. We have bundles of ISK. We have SP out the ears. It is obvious that the majority of players on here will not self police, so your only real option is the nuclear one. You can try meta limits, but all that will mean is nobody in the upper tiers. As they will choose to play down because it is cheaper and a chance to play lesser SP players. Look at PC now...90% of the matches scheduled never really happen. The entire upper tier of competition in this game is perpetually locked...... I would love to keep my SP and gear as well, but I would as the OP put it rather have some good games.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 912	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:33:00 - [54] - Quote No. I have unique, irreplaceable items, that losing would be unacceptable. You sadsack, nolifers, want to take my shite away cause somebody can't HTFU? These are the last days my brothers..... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 367	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:34:00 - [55] - Quote Press Attache wrote: On, and here comes baragamos with his K/D is the problem crap. Keep blaming PC players for your lack of ability. They are the terrible ones lol. Your main still padding in the starter fit matches like I seen him last week press? Considering I was #53 on the boards last week and Attorney was not even listed. I would probably just stay quite. Then I won't reveal that you habitually squad with three guys and go proto tank on starter fits. You are sad kid. Grow some balls instead of that vagina you have for a mouth. Because the truth is your K/D is padded like a mattress. So, get legitimate or STFU because after I seen you there in multiple games last week you should not even mention K/D kid.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:36:00 - [56] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: If you really want good games then stop tracking K/D. How does hiding our eyes from problems resolve any problems? Asinine Ideas * Obscuring Leaderboards * Hiding Player Names * Removing KDR * Resetting SP Better Ideas * Finding healthy ways to incentivize participation * Further improving class and weapon balance * Addressing officer spam Check! * Narrowing the TTK gap which separates noobs from vets * Improving NPE and building the playerbase * Working the kumbaya kinks out of end-game play Dropsuit Usage Rates
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 367	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:38:00 - [57] - Quote Devadander wrote: No. I have unique, irreplaceable items, that losing would be unacceptable. You sadsack, nolifers, want to take my shite away cause somebody can't HTFU? These are the last days my brothers..... By that you mean you can't HTFU...... Obviously you need your crutches because that's what that post says..... We never had the HTFU, so why should they have to? The reality is this game is dead...a reset is probably never going to happen without a port. If it did it would be a good thing for the game. Not necessarily for every player, but for most.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 367	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:47:00 - [58] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: If you really want good games then stop tracking K/D. How does hiding our eyes from problems resolve any problems? Asinine Ideas * Obscuring Leaderboards * Hiding Player Names * Removing KDR * Resetting SP Better Ideas * Finding better ways to incentivize participation * Further improving class and weapon balance * Addressing officer spam Check! * Improving NPE and building the playerbase * Working the kumbaya kinks out of end-game play * Narrowing the TTK gap which separates noobs from vets You realize those guys leave because they care about their K/D right? You want more participation then give them a reason stay not a reason to leave battles. If they feel like it affects a number other people can see they will behave appropriately. You make a list that is solved by both the suggestions made, but since you don't like how they affect you personally you discount them.....That is asinine kid. The reality is there will be no reset unless there is a port or even tracking of stats that matter, but that does not make them any less the right answer.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 289	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:49:00 - [59] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: On, and here comes baragamos with his K/D is the problem crap. Keep blaming PC players for your lack of ability. They are the terrible ones lol. Your main still padding in the starter fit matches like I seen him last week press? Considering I was #53 on the boards last week and Attorney was not even listed. I would probably just stay quite. Then I won't reveal that you habitually squad with three guys and go proto tank on starter fits. You are sad kid. Grow some balls instead of that vagina you have for a mouth. Because the truth is your K/D is padded like a mattress. So, get legitimate or STFU because after I seen you there in multiple games last week you should not even mention K/D kid. Wow, not only can you not defend your arguments you need to make up seeing me in starter matches. Bro, that has never and will never happen. Thanks for the laugh scrub, keep blaming everyone else for you being horrible. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 569	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:51:00 - [60] - Quote You lump all PC players in one category..farmers..I never farmed I earned my isk from ringing and pubs..I have ran officer twice my entire dust career soo..get over yourself, the farmers don't even play anymore but you'd lump all PC players in with them just to make yourself feel better.. CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Imps>NS>NF

Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 289	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:56:00 - [61] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: You lump all PC players in one category..farmers..I never farmed I earned my isk from ringing and pubs..I have ran officer twice my entire dust career soo..get over yourself, the farmers don't even play anymore but you'd lump all PC players in with them just to make yourself feel better.. Never forget that scrubs can never accept that they need to improve. It is easier for them to lie, cry, or scream about everyone else than ever admit they could get better with some work. As for them accepting that some people are just better, that is completely unthinkable to them. Everyone who is better than them is either a proto stomper, a squad stomper, or "cheap". And that is why they will always be basement dwellers. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:56:00 - [62] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: You realize those guys leave because they care about their K/D right? You want more participation then give them a reason stay not a reason to leave battles. If they feel like it affects a number other people can see they will behave appropriately. You make a list that is solved by both the suggestions made, but since you don't like how they affect you personally you discount them.....That is asinine kid. The reality is there will be no reset unless there is a port or even tracking of stats that matter, but that does not make them any less the right answer. I realize that there are a number of potential paths to consider which range in quality from highly effective to might work to fantastically stupid. Hiding our eyes from symptoms with high hopes that doing so will resolve underlying issues ... that falls into the latter category. There are smart options available to us. Why not consider them? Dropsuit Usage Rates
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 289	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:59:00 - [63] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: On, and here comes baragamos with his K/D is the problem crap. Keep blaming PC players for your lack of ability. They are the terrible ones lol. Your main still padding in the starter fit matches like I seen him last week press? Considering I was #53 on the boards last week and Attorney was not even listed. I would probably just stay quite. Then I won't reveal that you habitually squad with three guys and go proto tank on starter fits. You are sad kid. Grow some balls instead of that vagina you have for a mouth. Because the truth is your K/D is padded like a mattress. So, get legitimate or STFU because after I seen you there in multiple games last week you should not even mention K/D kid. What's really funny about this post is that you admit to pulling yourself into academy matches, even though you probably have 60 million SP, and you still don't win, and you still cry. That shows how horrible you are. Biomass yourself(in game ofc) Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 367	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:13:00 - [64] - Quote Press Attache wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: On, and here comes baragamos with his K/D is the problem crap. Keep blaming PC players for your lack of ability. They are the terrible ones lol. Your main still padding in the starter fit matches like I seen him last week press? Considering I was #53 on the boards last week and Attorney was not even listed. I would probably just stay quite. Then I won't reveal that you habitually squad with three guys and go proto tank on starter fits. You are sad kid. Grow some balls instead of that vagina you have for a mouth. Because the truth is your K/D is padded like a mattress. So, get legitimate or STFU because after I seen you there in multiple games last week you should not even mention K/D kid. What's really funny about this post is that you admit to pulling yourself into academy matches, even though you probably have 60 million SP, and you still don't win, and you still cry. That shows how horrible you are. Biomass yourself(in game ofc) Unlike you, I have friends in real life and get to watch over their shoulders. Ironic that you would post about some players being better just before you get outed as a stat padding scrub yourself. Again I did not see your main on the leader boards (Attorney General), but I was there....I'll be there again this week. Maybe if you spend enough time with your three friends in those starter matches again you too can get there. At this point I am done arguing with you kid. Like I said, grow some balls and play real matches. Because you certainly were not last week. And every post you put up, I'll be sure to remind you that you a are a scrub wannabe, and obviously not better than anyone. Just a sad loudmouth that can't hack it in the upper MU.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 367	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:16:00 - [65] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: You realize those guys leave because they care about their K/D right? You want more participation then give them a reason stay not a reason to leave battles. If they feel like it affects a number other people can see they will behave appropriately. You make a list that is solved by both the suggestions made, but since you don't like how they affect you personally you discount them.....That is asinine kid. The reality is there will be no reset unless there is a port or even tracking of stats that matter, but that does not make them any less the right answer. This "kid" realizes that there is a spectrum of options available which range in nature from highly effective to fantastically stupid. Hiding our eyes from symptoms with high hopes that doing so will resolve underlying issues ... with all due respect, I believe that one falls closer to latter category than the former. If there are smarter options available, why not consider them? That's what we are all saying...consider all options. The reality though is that both are really fast and simple (AKA very little development time needed) ways to fix the game. I am open to other options, but those two fix every issue except technical bugs.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 289	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:28:00 - [66] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: On, and here comes baragamos with his K/D is the problem crap. Keep blaming PC players for your lack of ability. They are the terrible ones lol. Your main still padding in the starter fit matches like I seen him last week press? Considering I was #53 on the boards last week and Attorney was not even listed. I would probably just stay quite. Then I won't reveal that you habitually squad with three guys and go proto tank on starter fits. You are sad kid. Grow some balls instead of that vagina you have for a mouth. Because the truth is your K/D is padded like a mattress. So, get legitimate or STFU because after I seen you there in multiple games last week you should not even mention K/D kid. What's really funny about this post is that you admit to pulling yourself into academy matches, even though you probably have 60 million SP, and you still don't win, and you still cry. That shows how horrible you are. Biomass yourself(in game ofc) Unlike you, I have friends in real life and get to watch over their shoulders. Ironic that you would post about some players being better just before you get outed as a stat padding scrub yourself. Again I did not see your main on the leader boards (Attorney General), but I was there....I'll be there again this week. Maybe if you spend enough time with your three friends in those starter matches again you too can get there. At this point I am done arguing with you kid. Like I said, grow some balls and play real matches. Because you certainly were not last week. And every post you put up, I'll be sure to remind you that you a are a scrub wannabe, and obviously not better than anyone. Just a sad loudmouth that can't hack it in the upper MU. I love the complete lack of logic in this post. You play starter matches because you can't handle pubs. I play FW and PC. I might play a couple of matches in pubs, but always solo, so there is a zero percent chance that you saw me an academy match. But on, how I am going to laugh my ass off when I log in a check your stats for the week, that you got farming in the academy. If you don't have a phat K/D from taking your proto into the academy like a scrub, it will be so sad. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 373	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:39:00 - [67] - Quote Press Attache wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: On, and here comes baragamos with his K/D is the problem crap. Keep blaming PC players for your lack of ability. They are the terrible ones lol. Your main still padding in the starter fit matches like I seen him last week press? Considering I was #53 on the boards last week and Attorney was not even listed. I would probably just stay quite. Then I won't reveal that you habitually squad with three guys and go proto tank on starter fits. You are sad kid. Grow some balls instead of that vagina you have for a mouth. Because the truth is your K/D is padded like a mattress. So, get legitimate or STFU because after I seen you there in multiple games last week you should not even mention K/D kid. What's really funny about this post is that you admit to pulling yourself into academy matches, even though you probably have 60 million SP, and you still don't win, and you still cry. That shows how horrible you are. Biomass yourself(in game ofc) Unlike you, I have friends in real life and get to watch over their shoulders. Ironic that you would post about some players being better just before you get outed as a stat padding scrub yourself. Again I did not see your main on the leader boards (Attorney General), but I was there....I'll be there again this week. Maybe if you spend enough time with your three friends in those starter matches again you too can get there. At this point I am done arguing with you kid. Like I said, grow some balls and play real matches. Because you certainly were not last week. And every post you put up, I'll be sure to remind you that you a are a scrub wannabe, and obviously not better than anyone. Just a sad loudmouth that can't hack it in the upper MU. I love the complete lack of logic in this post. You play starter matches because you can't handle pubs. I play FW and PC. I might play a couple of matches in pubs, but always solo, so there is a zero percent chance that you saw me an academy match. But on, how I am going to laugh my ass off when I log in a check your stats for the week, that you got farming in the academy. If you don't have a phat K/D from taking your proto into the academy like a scrub, it will be so sad. Illiterate as usual. Try reading the post if you can. Sorry you got caught. Actually I'm not. I'll just start posting the vids every time I see you in the matches with them. It was pretty common last week, so I'll guess you can't resist the allure. Like I said, I SEEN you there myself.. you don't like being called out for the scrub you are so as usual you start running your mouth. The only complete lack of logic here is how you post the BS you post knowing you are a fraud. "HTFU' everyone is a "Scrub", then you get caught padding and you cry. Just 'Get GUD", and you won't have to **** post kid or pad those stats. Like I said, if I see you in their matches again I'll just post the vid here. So think about that every time you try it. Sooner or later with this few players, and guys like you who can't resist the urge to pad the wait won't be long.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 290	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:53:00 - [68] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Illiterate as usual. Try reading the post if you can. Sorry you got caught. Actually I'm not. I'll just start posting the vids every time I see you in the matches with them. It was pretty common last week, so I'll guess you can't resist the allure. Like I said, I SEEN you there myself.. you don't like being called out for the scrub you are so as usual you start running your mouth. The only complete lack of logic here is how you post the BS you post knowing you are a fraud. "HTFU' everyone is a "Scrub", then you get caught padding and you cry. Just 'Get GUD", and you won't have to **** post kid or pad those stats. Like I said, if I see you in their matches again I'll just post the vid here. So think about that every time you try it. Sooner or later with this few players, and guys like you who can't resist the urge to pad the wait won't be long. Wow, so much BS. Please post videos, because this will be the last time we hear you bring that up. Keep lying to make yourself feel better about being garbage at a video game. Also, you didn't seen me anywhere. You claim you saw me. Don't go all caps with your lies when you can't even use the correct tense of a word. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 374	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:59:00 - [69] - Quote Press Attache wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Your main still padding in the starter fit matches like I seen him last week press? Considering I was #53 on the boards last week and Attorney was not even listed. I would probably just stay quite. Then I won't reveal that you habitually squad with three guys and go proto tank on starter fits. You are sad kid. Grow some balls instead of that vagina you have for a mouth. Because the truth is your K/D is padded like a mattress. So, get legitimate or STFU because after I seen you there in multiple games last week you should not even mention K/D kid. What's really funny about this post is that you admit to pulling yourself into academy matches, even though you probably have 60 million SP, and you still don't win, and you still cry. That shows how horrible you are. Biomass yourself(in game ofc) Unlike you, I have friends in real life and get to watch over their shoulders. Ironic that you would post about some players being better just before you get outed as a stat padding scrub yourself. Again I did not see your main on the leader boards (Attorney General), but I was there....I'll be there again this week. Maybe if you spend enough time with your three friends in those starter matches again you too can get there. At this point I am done arguing with you kid. Like I said, grow some balls and play real matches. Because you certainly were not last week. And every post you put up, I'll be sure to remind you that you a are a scrub wannabe, and obviously not better than anyone. Just a sad loudmouth that can't hack it in the upper MU. I love the complete lack of logic in this post. You play starter matches because you can't handle pubs. I play FW and PC. I might play a couple of matches in pubs, but always solo, so there is a zero percent chance that you saw me an academy match. But on, how I am going to laugh my ass off when I log in a check your stats for the week, that you got farming in the academy. If you don't have a phat K/D from taking your proto into the academy like a scrub, it will be so sad. Illiterate as usual. Try reading the post if you can. Sorry you got caught. Actually I'm not. I'll just start posting the vids every time I see you in the matches with them. It was pretty common last week, so I'll guess you can't resist the allure. Like I said, I SEEN you there myself.. you don't like being called out for the scrub you are so as usual you start running your mouth. The only complete lack of logic here is how you post the BS you post knowing you are a fraud. "HTFU' everyone is a "Scrub", then you get caught padding and you cry. Just 'Get GUD", and you won't have to **** post kid or pad those stats. Like I said, if I see you in their matches again I'll just post the vid here. So think about that every time you try it. Sooner or later with this few players, and guys like you who can't resist the urge to pad the wait won't be long. [/quote] Wow, so much BS. Please post videos, because this will be the last time we hear you bring that up. Keep lying to make yourself feel better about being garbage at a video game. Also, you didn't seen me anywhere. You claim you saw me. Don't go all caps with your lies when you can't even use the correct tense of a word. [/quote] You still crying? Seems from the stats I kicked your main and your alts ass last week, but I would never get the chance to play you since you were busy padding on the starter fits in that proto tank. So, what's that about bad at a video game? Press man are you like 13 or just cancer? Why don't you just "get Gud scrub" and then you won't have to be a fraud.
byte modal 258	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:04:00 - [70] - Quote in my best T.V.s Batman Series Announcer's voice MEANWHILE, back on the original topic.... Seriously, you two. Stfu or take it to a another thread where you can smother butter all over each other and pop corn from the heat of your testosterone-driven love rage. Unless of course your intent is to get this one locked. It's a page now. Move on? On point: no one said BPOs were THE problem. I only mentioned it as one of the forgotten many. Meow. And stuff. kitten bacon taco (nom)

Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 250	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:18:00 - [71] - Quote byte modal wrote: in my best T.V.s Batman Series Announcer's voice MEANWHILE, back on the original topic.... Seriously, you two. Stfu or take it to a another thread where you can smother butter all over each other and pop corn from the heat of your testosterone-driven love rage. Unless of course your intent is to get this one locked. It's a page now. Move on? On point: no one said BPOs were THE problem. I only mentioned it as one of the forgotten many. Meow. And stuff. C'mon that derail is perfectly acceptable for a thread titled BURN IT DOWN. My .02 ISK, if Dust had Killboards we'd be able to see exactly who was farming who. It works pretty well in Eve for exposing scrubs for the scrubs they are. Something something new proxy node maybe? Something is killing new player retention.
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 569	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:27:00 - [72] - Quote Is barweirdo in PC? CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Imps>NS>NF
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 292	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:31:00 - [73] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: You still crying? Seems from the stats I kicked your main and your alts ass last week, but I would never get the chance to play you since you were busy padding on the starter fits in that proto tank. So, what's that about bad at a video game? Press man are you like 13 or just cancer? Why don't you just "get Gud scrub" and then you won't have to be a fraud. Umm, I hate to break this to you AGAIN, but you know people can fact check you right? I am going to assume that instead of this week, where I have an 11 k/d and you a sterling .88, that you meant the week that we can't check anymore, which is of course very convenient for you, except that we can look at monthly and do some reasonable inference. On the monthly numbers, you have a slightly higher than a 1 K/D, and a W/L of about even. I have a K/D over 7, and a W/L over 2.5. Keeping in mind that I play PC, and you play in the academy, that shows the difference in our play. Now, I am sure that you have a laundry list of excuses for why your stats are horrible(proto stompers, squad stompers, Jesus doesn't love you, etc) but it doesn't matter when you can't even conduct a discussion without resorting to groos falsehoods and outright lies. I pity you, that you need to go to such lengths to try and tear me down because you don't like it being pointed out to you that you suck as a player, and based on your need to lie over a game, a pretty meh person. You can call me whatever you like, the FACT remains, I'm better than you. You could even run proto and I could run standard. Go put your isk to work and hire a corp to launch an attack for you, I know my corp would love to stand around and watch you get wrecked by an apex logi suit. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 292	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:32:00 - [74] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: Is barweirdo in PC? Nope. That dude couldn't hack high level play. I suspect he would be a screamer on comms everytime he died. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 292	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:35:00 - [75] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: byte modal wrote: in my best T.V.s Batman Series Announcer's voice MEANWHILE, back on the original topic.... Seriously, you two. Stfu or take it to a another thread where you can smother butter all over each other and pop corn from the heat of your testosterone-driven love rage. Unless of course your intent is to get this one locked. It's a page now. Move on? On point: no one said BPOs were THE problem. I only mentioned it as one of the forgotten many. Meow. And stuff. C'mon that derail is perfectly acceptable for a thread titled BURN IT DOWN. My .02 ISK, if Dust had Killboards we'd be able to see exactly who was farming who. It works pretty well in Eve for exposing scrubs for the scrubs they are. Something something new proxy node maybe? Just look at peoples lifetime versus recent. If there is a huge gap up or down, they are fudging the numbers. My all time versus my monthly is pretty darn consistent. So unless the academy matches I am allegedly sneaking into have some old school, super high skilled players in them, I don't see how I wouldn't be doing much, much better. Honestly, Barturd just can't fathom that people can actually do well in the game, without resorting to those tactics he accuses me off. He needs to get dragged into an academy match to go positive. So he assumes that everyone else does it as well. Kind of sad, but what pity I would have for him went out the window with the lying. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 257	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:08:00 - [76] - Quote As I understand it Rattati made it pretty difficult to recycle alts through the academy, so I'm not jumping in either way. Just sayin' that Killboards are extremely effective at encouraging the community to self police un-sportsman like behavior. Something is killing new player retention.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 295	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:16:00 - [77] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: As I understand it Rattati made it pretty difficult to recycle alts through the academy, so I'm not jumping in either way. Just sayin' that Killboards are extremely effective at encouraging the community to self police un-sportsman like behavior. I don't know about that. Killboards promote all sorts of crap in eve so it isn't necessarily a solution. Curious why you think that kb encourages self policing, because I have not seen that at all. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:16:00 - [78] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Illiterate as usual. Try reading the post if you can. Sorry you got caught. Actually I'm not. I'll just start posting the vids every time I see you in the matches with them. It was pretty common last week, so I'll guess you can't resist the allure. Like I said, I SEEN you there myself.. you don't like being called out for the scrub you are so as usual you start running your mouth. The only complete lack of logic here is how you post the BS you post knowing you are a fraud. "HTFU' everyone is a "Scrub", then you get caught padding and you cry. Just 'Get GUD", and you won't have to **** post kid or pad those stats. Like I said, if I see you in their matches again I'll just post the vid here. So think about that every time you try it. Sooner or later with this few players, and guys like you who can't resist the urge to pad the wait won't be long. What exactly are you doing playing in those Low SP/Low MU newbie-matches? Unless I am mistaken, I believe you have been playing this game long enough not to be joining matches against newberries.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 295	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:19:00 - [79] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Illiterate as usual. Try reading the post if you can. Sorry you got caught. Actually I'm not. I'll just start posting the vids every time I see you in the matches with them. It was pretty common last week, so I'll guess you can't resist the allure. Like I said, I SEEN you there myself.. you don't like being called out for the scrub you are so as usual you start running your mouth. The only complete lack of logic here is how you post the BS you post knowing you are a fraud. "HTFU' everyone is a "Scrub", then you get caught padding and you cry. Just 'Get GUD", and you won't have to **** post kid or pad those stats. Like I said, if I see you in their matches again I'll just post the vid here. So think about that every time you try it. Sooner or later with this few players, and guys like you who can't resist the urge to pad the wait won't be long. What exactly are you doing playing in those Low SP/Low MU newbie-matches? Unless I am mistaken, I believe you have been playing this game long enough not to be joining matches against newberries. Look his stats up, he needs all the help he can get. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 257	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:22:00 - [80] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: As I understand it Rattati made it pretty difficult to recycle alts through the academy, so I'm not jumping in either way. Just sayin' that Killboards are extremely effective at encouraging the community to self police un-sportsman like behavior. I don't know about that. Killboards promote all sorts of crap in eve so it isn't necessarily a solution. Curious why you think that kb encourages self policing, because I have not seen that at all. Sure killboards are just another leaderboard, but they give enough detail to show how the pilot got to the position they're at. The self-policing mostly comes up on /r/eve and in ZuluIRC Something is killing new player retention.

byte modal 261	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:32:00 - [81] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: byte modal wrote: rabble rabble rabble C'mon that derail is perfectly acceptable for a thread titled BURN IT DOWN. snip lol. fair enough. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 915	Posted - 2015.10.22 11:52:00 - [82] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Devadander wrote: No. I have unique, irreplaceable items, that losing would be unacceptable. You sadsack, nolifers, want to take my shite away cause somebody can't HTFU? These are the last days my brothers..... By that you mean you can't HTFU...... Obviously you need your crutches because that's what that post says..... We never had the HTFU, so why should they have to? The reality is this game is dead...a reset is probably never going to happen without a port. If it did it would be a good thing for the game. Not necessarily for every player, but for most. I have had all the HTFU, you don't know me, so don't speak to me like you do. Crutches. Lol. Further proof you don't know me. Oh and that post said "some stuff bara didn't read" The things I will not have removed are things I have 1 of and will not EVER use. I've heard you hiding in the background all rage monster while the girl flies the headset. You have never even considered the fact that, it is you who needs to HTFU. Here is a song i wrote for you. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.10.22 12:10:00 - [83] - Quote God dammit.. you get a short ban from the forum.. and come back to find your jealous alt trying to delete all your hard earned money.. shocking.. I'll make sure he goes back in the cage we cant have these terribad ideas running free Most are against it, I got mobbed just mentioning it in-game The fact stands, the game is horribly balanced and I cannot see a way out, though Adipem makes sense regarding better rewards for newbies killing vets, I think it would help quite a bit, maybe it's overdue that suit types make direct impact on WP in battle. eg. Pro Ck.0, kills Basic C-I = 30wp, kills Adv C/1 = 40wp, kill an opposing Ck.0 = 50wp (20wp for mlt stomps) Adding a reverse so a newbie gets more for killing pro, though I think whats important is reducing the reward for ez kills. eg. YUUKI TERUMI stomping pubs, goes 25/4 chewing up starter fits mostly compared to Arirana stomping PC, goes 25/4 wrecking proto fits.. Bar payout - in terms of WP for kills they did the same.. but in reality Arirana puts in a performance where YUUKI just farms a pub Shouldn't WP rewards reflect what you actually DID in battle??? - Allowing a stomper equal reward (WP/SP) for 1/10 the effort is messed up.. Anywho, time to gtfo.. should probably put that in another post.. this thread ... I may not be able to start a constructive post.. but I sure as hell set the stage for bar fights we need a new post for BARAGMOS V Press. SOONtm


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