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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:33:00 -
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Posting in a topic regarding Officer weapon removal, I commented that I'd support a full reset instead of that.
IamDuncanIdaho agreed with me, so that makes 2 of us I am wondering how many more would?
So I am opening this post to source player opinions of full resets (ISK+SP+Assets) I would also like to hear from CCP/CPM regarding what could be done ^^ (Is it even allowed? do Aur purchases cause issue here? Booster usage? etc.)
I have 100mil SP+ 1000's of Officer weapons + $$$
So inb4 "I earned my shiznit, no way they are taking it"
Story time
I began this game, as clueless as any blueberry unfortunate enough to download Dust, my initial research was getting shot in the face repeatedly and along with some friends we gamed for the first few months oblivious to the forum community, CCP or anything else outside of a Pub/FW match.. DMG began as a group of casual gamers wanting to try an FPS, at this stage recruitment was pretty open, using the finest requirements in New Eden which I stand by today "Don't be a D1CK". There was no interest in community/competition as the game felt like a test demo.. our early goal was just to see what CCP could do with it, *sigh* the good ole' days when the team actually did something during server downtime most days, and players used to get excited before updates/changes..
It wasn't until an in-game event, months into playing that I ever checked the Forum
It wasn't until FF when promise of expansion died that I ever took interest in PC..
In my recent gaming, PC's are the only highlight of Dust.. In public matches..I mostly feel guilty lol as 80% of the players are so far behind they get REKT by a scrub like me.. can/should I claim "skill" here ?? I know most would.. who cares how you went 20/0 as long as you look good.. but I can't enjoy this gameplay at all.. and when I compare it to the old days.. derping about in my militia fits stubbornly going 4/20 as I kept trying to 1v1 that proto scrub (worth it) I have to say, it was more fun back then.. the enitre l33t mentality Dust has been infected with.. is not fun..
ffs, you're an immortal clone.. who cares if you went 20/0.. you realise you can respawn don't you ??
But players don't, they play each battle with risk averse tactics, trying to save dem dolla bills yo.. and with the sheer advantage I have as a bad player with too much ISK+SP.. I have to lol when gamers here act like they are the best.. when in reality.. they are just exploiting a bad system. So it comes down to this.. do we stay comfortable and keep our stuff...
OR, do we save CCP the hassle of cleaning up after a failed DEV team ?? = FULL RESET.
Never, in my time on Dust has there been a level playing field, another thing overdue fixing
Well that was a surprise.
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
275
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:36:00 -
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Inb4 Hawkings Greenback's smart comments about my short story forum posts
For the rest of you, join DMG!! then I may give a damn about your trouble reading
Well that was a surprise.
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
512
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:37:00 -
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-1 If you'd like to give up your time, money and assets go ahead. Me, I've put an immense amount of time and money into suits, Aur, and boosters.
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DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
563
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:40:00 -
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No I wasted too much time and money just to be reset..I had enough of that in closed beta..now after dust is ported then yeah I'm game but I'd like us to get something out of it at least..
CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69
Imps>NS>NF
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:45:00 -
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2 defenders of the.. crappiest system imaginable leading to some of the worst results in gameplay balance..
I was thinking of one perk to sooth the butthurt. - Add Suit/Weapon SKINS for each L5 item you have skilled.
Boosters are a major issue.. as handing them back will allow vets to earn over 2mil SP in a week easily.. harsh as it may be.. I dont see an option on refunding these.. it would defeat the purpose of resetting at all. Apart from that.. I have spent over 500 euro and more time on Dust than any game I've played before..
I'd sacrifice all of it to be able to play a "gg"
Well that was a surprise.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:56:00 -
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Full reset? **** no. **** off with that silliness. I want to keep my progression.
Now, if/when we ever get a port, an ISK reset would be nice to have. This would flush the massive ISK wallets created by PC.
"I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
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steve0809
Glitched Connection
77
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:01:00 -
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I have been Playing since Feb 2013 and agree that the struggle when I started (got excited if I managed a single kill!) was preferable to the game now. Its either stomp or be stomped and is no fun at all either way. I have a few hundred officer weapons and a couple of suits and would gladly give them all up if we could get some decent matches again.
I have invested both time and money into this game and would like to get back to enjoying it again even if that means "leveling the playing field" |
Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:02:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Full reset? **** no. **** off with that silliness. I want to keep my progression. Now, if/when we ever get a port, an ISK reset would be nice to have. This would flush the massive ISK wallets created by PC.
You know during the first SP events.. players were able to cap out in 1 PC battle.. and a lot of vet district holders would not be strangers to hugging a depot and farming WP, so they made SP out of it also, and if we are going to fix the mistakes of old Devs..
= Remove ALL the mistakes of old Devs.
Well that was a surprise.
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dzizur
Nos Nothi
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:03:00 -
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+1 |
KGB Sleep
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:04:00 -
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Helllllllllllll no. I like having multiple roles. The only way I'd do a reset is if Dust moved to a new platform.
Because beer, that's why.
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:05:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Helllllllllllll no. I like having multiple roles. The only way I'd do a reset is if Dust moved to a new platform.
Yeah.. why not leave this version as bad as possible.. just to put it off until Dust 2.0
Well that was a surprise.
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KGB Sleep
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:07:00 -
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Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:Helllllllllllll no. I like having multiple roles. The only way I'd do a reset is if Dust moved to a new platform. Yeah.. why not leave this version as bad as possible.. just to put it off until Dust 2.0
Tell your mom to bake me a pie, I'm coming over to play Dust, not whine about it.
Because beer, that's why.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:07:00 -
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Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:You know during the first SP events.. players were able to cap out in 1 PC battle.. and a lot of vet district holders would not be strangers to hugging a depot and farming WP, so they made SP out of it also, and if we are going to fix the mistakes of old Devs..
= Remove ALL the mistakes of old Devs. Too much collateral damage in that case. What about the players who have only been playing for a matter of weeks, still skilling into cores and their first dropsuit/weapon? They would be told, "Okay, all of that progress you made? It's gone. Start over."
Our already poor NPE would be terrifically insulting. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say what you are proposing would cause thousands of players who are 6 months or less old to quit Dust entirely. The small population of new players we have would be cut in half or more.
So, yeah, this is a terrible idea.
"I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:09:00 -
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I'll be back to check on this later.
A reset is possible when this is ported, and anything in the game is subject to change
Full reset solves a number of the games major issues in one quick move. Like anyone, I will miss what I had before it but it's an easy sacrifice if it improves the quality of the game for all players. I would like to hear what CCP think of this.
Well that was a surprise.
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University Ivy League
235
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:12:00 -
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At least we all now know how important it is to scrutinize ANY mechanic that CCP comes up with that might give players an advantage just for being in the game longer. Really messes things up down the track and gets out of control very easily.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:You know during the first SP events.. players were able to cap out in 1 PC battle.. and a lot of vet district holders would not be strangers to hugging a depot and farming WP, so they made SP out of it also, and if we are going to fix the mistakes of old Devs..
= Remove ALL the mistakes of old Devs. Too much collateral damage in that case. What about the players who have only been playing for a matter of weeks, still skilling into cores and their first dropsuit/weapon? They would be told, "Okay, all of that progress you made? It's gone. Start over." Our already poor NPE would be terrifically insulting. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say what you are proposing would cause thousands of players who are 6 months or less old to quit Dust entirely. The small population of new players we have would be cut in half or more. So, yeah, this is a terrible idea.
LOL
Every stomper gets reduced to their level.. and you think they will all quit ??? hardly. It's much more likely a few more weeks of crappy stomps will have a worse effect....
I actually hunt and squad with newbies from time to time, very few will quit over levelling the playing field.
Well that was a surprise.
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KGB Sleep
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:16:00 -
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Yeah we should all make way for the new players and give them everything they ask for. Hell let's reset EVE too bc I want to play it but there are ppl with more ISK and assets than I can make mining for a solid month!
Because beer, that's why.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:18:00 -
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Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:I actually hunt and squad with newbies from time to time, very few will quit over leveling the playing field. I know human nature. Having weeks worth of work undone in an instant is going to sting, I don't care how you spin it to the new players. You will cause many to quit.
You personally can save a few new players by squading with them, but a couple squads of new players who stick around pales in comparison to the hundreds who quit outright.
"I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:21:00 -
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Idk if it would fix anything to be honest. 1) it'll probably make a lot of people quit. 2) the same try hard types will still stack boosters and with the currently weekly skill cap they'd be running proto in no time at all while casual players get left in the dust... Again.
The amount of potential SP you can earn in a week is at its highest ever. When we were noobs it took forever to grind out a proto suit, now it's a different story. Point being is newbs have every opportunity to get competitive levels of sp and as vets, earned sp means less and less. Now is the game fun enough for them to stick around that long, probably not. I think a better idea than resetting and seeing what happens is to fix current issues that drives people away. Such as...
NPE in terms of tutorials and education Matchmaking Bugs Roof camping / map design
Perhaps if we increase player retention we will have a better influx of new proto wearing scrubs to compete with. |
Regnier Feros
Dead Man's Game
950
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:23:00 -
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MY MIC IS BROKEN SO YOU HAVE TO FC OKAY? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?
I LIKE PIE
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
283
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:26:00 -
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lol, I'm off in about 20mins.. will check timers when I get home.
Good to know your opinion on my latest rambling idea, now go grab a slice of that pie my momma is baking for KGB
Well that was a surprise.
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
283
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:30:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Idk if it would fix anything to be honest. 1) it'll probably make a lot of people quit. 2) the same try hard types will still stack boosters and with the currently weekly skill cap they'd be running proto in no time at all while casual players get left in the dust... Again.
The amount of potential SP you can earn in a week is at its highest ever. When we were noobs it took forever to grind out a proto suit, now it's a different story. Point being is newbs have every opportunity to get competitive levels of sp and as vets, earned sp means less and less. Now is the game fun enough for them to stick around that long, probably not. I think a better idea than resetting and seeing what happens is to fix current issues that drives people away. Such as...
NPE in terms of tutorials and education Matchmaking Bugs Roof camping / map design
Perhaps if we increase player retention we will have a better influx of new proto wearing scrubs to compete with.
Now that's a good reply, not just falling back on "QQ don't take my stuff"
That's why I mentioned in OP about AUR purchases and boosters.. it throws a spanner in the works.. and the SP cap + 3x boosters add another.. tryhards.. will try pretty hard to get back to tryharding
Still, there is no denying.. the biggest issue in-game is the SP/ISK difference between players.
Well that was a surprise.
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Regnier Feros
Dead Man's Game
950
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:30:00 -
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Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:lol, I'm off in about 20mins.. will check timers when I get home.
Good to know your opinion on my latest rambling idea, now go grab a slice of that pie my momma is baking for KGB ALSO I'M TYPING IN CAPS FOR A REASON Seriously though I don't want to lose the items I worked hard for
I LIKE PIE
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
283
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:34:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:lol, I'm off in about 20mins.. will check timers when I get home.
Good to know your opinion on my latest rambling idea, now go grab a slice of that pie my momma is baking for KGB ALSO I'M TYPING IN CAPS FOR A REASON Seriously though I don't want to lose the items I worked hard for
OK, GOOD TO KNOW.
I agree.. not an ideal option.. but how long are we going to watch CCP mess up as they try to fix a mess that ... They could just wipe out completely ..
Since the initial mistakes.. it's an endless cycle of cleaning up .. where does it end ??
Well that was a surprise.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:40:00 -
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This is a good topic, we should stick with it until we produces some answers.
There's a core game design problem we need to solve. I like to call it the buckets of ISK problem, bISK for short.
The game design problem is bISK. Forget PC 1.0 - we all agree it was foolish, destructive, irresponsible and slovenly for CCP to allow things to go on as they did for so long. Whatever. There's been stupidity in the past, there'll be other stupidities in the future, that doesn't change our collective game-design problem, bISK.
I'm gonna say something now, you gotta promise not to laugh out loud until i'm done: one day this game will be fully integrated with EVE. If not this game, some other shooter set in New Eden. Point is, once economic integration happens, the peeps who have bISK now will be pretty much the same peeps who have bISK then, because the big EVE alliances will take good care of their elite ground forces - very good care.
So, given that the top-end PvP corps will always be dripping with bISK, how do we design DUST Pubs & FW such that the bISK doesn't destroy the gameplay for the rest of the playerbase, especially the noobs?
I would say the other design criteria are:
- Don't break up the playerbase, a single shard is New Eden's greatest strength.
- Discourage passive behavior, AFKing, etc.
- Encourage engaging the enemy and contributing to the team regardless of the odds.
If we can solve the bISK problem(and a few others), a full reset would be unnecessary and serve the needs of the game far into the future. But burn it down or not, the bISK problem has not been solved yet, by the devs or the playerbase.
PSN: RationalSpark
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DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
564
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:55:00 -
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As I said before for a port yes..in its current state hell no..dust is dying on PS3 you won't get new players it's just a way to punish vets..probably realize all the good players won't come back so for a change you'll be top dawg
Port=yes PS3=go punch your nuts
CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69
Imps>NS>NF
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.21 15:02:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:This is a good topic, we should stick with it until we produces some answers. There's a core game design problem we need to solve. I like to call it the buckets of ISK problem, bISK for short. The game design problem is bISK. Forget PC 1.0 - we all agree it was foolish, destructive, irresponsible and slovenly for CCP to allow things to go on as they did for so long. Whatever. There's been stupidity in the past, there'll be other stupidities in the future, that doesn't change our collective game-design problem, bISK. I'm gonna say something now, you gotta promise not to laugh out loud until i'm done: one day this game will be fully integrated with EVE. If not this game, some other shooter set in New Eden. Point is, once economic integration happens, the peeps who have bISK now will be pretty much the same peeps who have bISK then, because the big EVE alliances will take good care of their elite ground forces - very good care. So, given that the top-end PvP corps will always be dripping with bISK, how do we design DUST Pubs & FW such that the bISK doesn't destroy the gameplay for the rest of the playerbase, especially the noobs? I would say the other design criteria are:
- Don't break up the playerbase, a single shard is New Eden's greatest strength.
- Discourage passive behavior, AFKing, etc.
- Encourage engaging the enemy and contributing to the team regardless of the odds.
If we can solve the bISK problem(and a few others), a full reset would be unnecessary and serve the needs of the game far into the future. But burn it down or not, the bISK problem has not been solved yet, by the devs or the playerbase.
Honest questions here.
Does the bISK problem exist in Eve? If so how is it mitigated?
My experience with eve consisted of flying around killing worthless pirates and shooting lasers at rocks. I always needed more isk but honestly I did not find it very entertaining to play. The lore and universe is super cool but... Yeah boring. I like dust because it's good classic video game fps fun.
Perhaps we can take some notes from eve... |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
17
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Posted - 2015.10.21 15:10:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:-1 If you'd like to give up your time, money and assets go ahead. Me, I've put an immense amount of time and money into suits, Aur, and boosters.
^ Same.
I've supported CCP and DUST's development over the years by buying active & passive boosters. I don't need the SP (just shy of 100M), but I do it anyway. A RESET would be a slap in the face for my financial support. I would not spend another dime on DUST.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 15:18:00 -
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Variation between rich and poor, low sp and high sp, is integral to the game i feel. Not really any point resetting it. Though if they reset it for a new game it would get a nice fresh feeling.
Better to focus on reducing the advantage provided by all that isk and sp.
SP: reduce passive skill bonuses. Make people pay isk for their advantages.
ISK: more tricky. Encourage rich players to blow their isk on expensive stuff to fight other rich players. Allow poorer players the ability to fight amongst themselves without getting crushed by the rich.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
17
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Posted - 2015.10.21 15:19:00 -
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Not to say that I agree with the idea, but an asset wipe & refund (like the one we had following open beta) would be different. It'd likely PO those who've stockpiled officer gear, but it'd be far less offensive than a full reset.
A reset would kill DUST. All the time and money we've invested, down the drain ... this is a terrible and dangerous idea.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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