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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 12:42:00 - [31] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Running basic aur gear with and against randoms in pubs your going to lose far more suits than your 1 PC match a day. Doesn't matter. During that PC match you could lose a half dozen or more pieces of officer gear. Now spread that out over hundreds of PC players, every day. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 12:54:00 - [32] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Running basic aur gear with and against randoms in pubs your going to lose far more suits than your 1 PC match a day. Doesn't matter. During that PC match you could lose a half dozen or more pieces of officer gear. Now spread that out over hundreds of PC players, every day. Well you have to also multiply those stockpiles across those same hundreds of PC players every day. Let play pure hyperbole, because its a thought experiment that nithier you or i should take seriously. Say across 100 players each player has 100 officer weapons stockpiled but they are losing 6 officer weapons per day and do not recieve any new officer weapons in the mean time. How long to run out? 100 players x100 weapons = 10,000 100 players x 6 lost gear =600 per day. 10,000/600 = 16.66 days. Not bad riley. What about 50 players with a 1,000 weapons? 83 days Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2015.10.21 12:55:00 - [33] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Devadander wrote: To clarify: I was never part of pc1.0. Never part of a giant corp. Never had taxes on my corp. Never scammed anyone. Never ran exploits. Had 900m pre-trading. I am now worth 2.2b. I have made my isk the hard way. And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too. I work for my money. And I'm sure there are others like you. Do you think having earned your own ISK changes your attitude towards stuff like running your officer gear in pubs? edit: I should clairfy that is a real question, not rhetorical. I wasn't in PC 1.0 I've only ever been in FA and a handful of other small corps. LOL Taxes Never scammed Never exploited I got all my ISK through playing PC and ringing in PC. Compared to a lot of people I know in PC, I'm also very poor only ever having at most 300 mil ISK in my wallet. I've known people with literal BILLIONS of ISK in PC. Keeping that in mind, I still think that people can run whatever the hell they want. It's a freaking sandbox game. At first glance it does seem like the game is set up to let people run what they want, but it's not entirely true. For your average player, pubs are going to be their main source of income. At ~250K/match that gives them about 5 ADV suits. 5 deaths is not a bad round? Not great, but not bad. 5 deaths in mid-tier gear just to not lose ISK. So what if that player wants to start running proto? How on earth does a player that generates ISK from pubs make the step up to being able to run proto? Derp around in STD or MLT for five or six matches just so they can run proto for one? Something is killing new player retention.
Dont-be-a-D1CK Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 274	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:02:00 - [34] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: You want a level playing field, so make one. Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: - I'd support a full ISK+Asset+SP reset Like that. I could totally get on board with this. Might be the only thing that kept me playing actually. It would spring new life into the game in an instant.. and overflow Rat-man's cup with tears = WIN. - Award SKINS for suits and weapons @ L5 - Boosters are an issue.. (But which is more important, value for your booster // actually having a playable game) With the setup of PC 2.0, a reset would make interesting changes across the entire game.. But I'll quit dreaming now, and use my ISK advantage along with experience in PC to ruin the game for other players, I may even jump on the Kaisar wagon.. and act like the players without these advantages are the problem Well that was a surprise.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:04:00 - [35] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: 500 Nothi's NK About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use.. Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use. You got these playing within the rules of the game, so nothing personal. But: That is a disgusting amount of officer gear to have, and I'm sure there's players that have more. CCP knew they were creating OP weapons but their justification was that they would be 'rare'. Now all we're left with are OP weapons that are only 'rare' to those that don't have the ISK or SP for them - that is, new players. Exactly the amount I was going for I barely use it, just wanted it so Jara Kumora would notice me Note: In the first days of trading, I had well over 1000 already so 1:1 trades got a lot of my stockpile, as a dedicated Minmatar gypsy, buying it at stupid prices is something I avoid.. I use NK/PLC the rest was just gathered for the sake of it. Market prices are ret*rded.. as it is.. this change will increase them.. meaning only long term players / those that made profits from PC 1.0 will have the luxury of spending on ISK them, so I am glad I got in before this change I wonder how many thing in Dust that seem so completely broken would be fixed by a big old delete of all the PC 1.0 ISK? I know there's a lot of resentment in the community about some people having a whole lot of ISK that seemingly wasn't really earned. With it gone, anyone with a bunch of ISK could only have gotten it through hard work using the same systems we've all got access to. This is why if/when a port comes I'd be happy for a full ISK reset. Maybe not a popular thing to say but the passive ISK generation of PC 1.0 has caused so many problems and is still funding the stockpiling of these weapons. Hopefully switching the passive creation of them to active via EOM salvage and Strongboxes will help burn through them. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:20:00 - [36] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: I wonder how many thing in Dust that seem so completely broken would be fixed by a big old delete of all the PC 1.0 ISK? I know there's a lot of resentment in the community about some people having a whole lot of ISK that seemingly wasn't really earned. With it gone, anyone with a bunch of ISK could only have gotten it through hard work using the same systems we've all got access to. This is why if/when a port comes I'd be happy for a full ISK reset. Maybe not a popular thing to say but the passive ISK generation of PC 1.0 has caused so many problems and is still funding the stockpiling of these weapons. Hopefully switching the passive creation of them to active via EOM salvage and Strongboxes will help burn through them. And what would your stance be on payouts? At the moment CCP seems to be encouraging ADV level gear in pubs with their ~250K/match payout. This would work fine if everyone's ISK came from pubs, but it doesn't. As long as there's much more profitable payouts in PC, the people that play PC are going to be able to out-spend the pub-players and thus jump down into pubs and wreck face. It'll just get to the point again that if you want to be able to spend at a competitive level, you're going to have to play PC. P.S Every time a CPM mentions a Port a kitty dies. Something is killing new player retention.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:28:00 - [37] - Quote Lets strap whiny little blueberries to our chests for more bullet resistance! Now that's what we need :D The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:46:00 - [38] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Devadander wrote: To clarify: I was never part of pc1.0. Never part of a giant corp. Never had taxes on my corp. Never scammed anyone. Never ran exploits. Had 900m pre-trading. I am now worth 2.2b. I have made my isk the hard way. And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too. I work for my money. And I'm sure there are others like you. Do you think having earned your own ISK changes your attitude towards stuff like running your officer gear in pubs? edit: I should clairfy that is a real question, not rhetorical. I wasn't in PC 1.0 I've only ever been in FA and a handful of other small corps. LOL Taxes Never scammed Never exploited I got all my ISK through playing PC and ringing in PC. Compared to a lot of people I know in PC, I'm also very poor only ever having at most 300 mil ISK in my wallet. I've known people with literal BILLIONS of ISK in PC. Keeping that in mind, I still think that people can run whatever the hell they want. It's a freaking sandbox game. At first glance it does seem like the game is set up to let people run what they want, but it's not entirely true. For your average player, pubs are going to be their main source of income. At ~250K/match that gives them about 5 ADV suits. 5 deaths is not a bad round? Not great, but not bad. 5 deaths in mid-tier gear just to not lose ISK. So what if that player wants to start running proto? How on earth does a player that generates ISK from pubs make the step up to being able to run proto? Derp around in STD or MLT for five or six matches just so they can run proto for one? This is a central point of the argument here. I personally don't care what weapons are being used except where it has a huge negative impact on the NPE. I've been the single strongest supporter of an 'unfair' playing field on these forums for the past three years, i don't support meta lock, and i want noobs mixed with vets in pubs to amplify the single-shard shared universe that is New Eden - but there's a limit to power differential beyond which it is insane to tread, and we've passed it. The NPSR(Noob Stomp Power Rating) of a vet has increased dramatically under Rattati's governance from four primary mechanisms: Soft tiericide. I'm hoping the forum has had enough time and experience with soft tiericide to finally realize that this was a buff to vet vs. noob power because we(vets) get more out of the base suit stats and more out of each module. I know the noobs felt it when i started fielding my 700+ ehp Raven C-1 suit for a few measly ISK. Warbarge damage buff. For the tryhards fielding officer weapons/suits in pubs this is doubtless at +5% or +6%. Strongbox officer drops. These amplify vet power, do absolutely nothin' for noob power. Warbarge Experimental Weapons Lab. Noobs can't or can't afford to use this, they're trying to train their weapon damage modifier up. Players spending $250 should not be part of anybody's game-design balance calculations. Now let's multiply these buffs to the NSPR of vets by the multiplier afforded through individual ewar, and then multiply it by the factor for shared ewar. Mwahahaha......gg Rattati, i can now consume noobs like the raspberries they are, cramming double-fisted handfuls of them down my leering vet gob until.....i need to reload...... I hope the devs don't spend a single second thinking about new player retention, that would be a needless waste of time because part of the answer is obvious and comes from changes made by the devs themselves in the recent history of the game. PSN: RationalSpark
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 232	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:55:00 - [39] - Quote The funniest thing is that there are vets around today that actually believe it's easier to be a new player now than it has ever been. As though somehow the playerbase could have been slanted towards veteran players even more than it is now. Something is killing new player retention.
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 426	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:55:00 - [40] - Quote But I love my Officer Laser Rifle \0/

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:01:00 - [41] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: But I love my Officer Laser Rifle I love it too - even when you kill me with it. PSN: RationalSpark
grongle hasworth Endless Hatred 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:14:00 - [42] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value? This makes the most sense. - It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley. - It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done. - Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar. - It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players. CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least. You want a level playing field, so make one. just make it to where no more can be made in the warbarge or make it more rare to get officer gear from the warbarge. I am a director of Endless Haterd
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 14	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:33:00 - [43] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: 500 Nothi's NK About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use.. Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use. You got these playing within the rules of the game, so nothing personal. But: That is a disgusting amount of officer gear to have, and I'm sure there's players that have more. CCP knew they were creating OP weapons but their justification was that they would be 'rare'. Now all we're left with are OP weapons that are only 'rare' to those that don't have the ISK or SP for them - that is, new players. Exactly the amount I was going for I barely use it, just wanted it so Jara Kumora would notice me Note: In the first days of trading, I had well over 1000 already so 1:1 trades got a lot of my stockpile, as a dedicated Minmatar gypsy, buying it at stupid prices is something I avoid.. I use NK/PLC the rest was just gathered for the sake of it. Market prices are ret*rded.. as it is.. this change will increase them.. meaning only long term players / those that made profits from PC 1.0 will have the luxury of spending on ISK them, so I am glad I got in before this change I wonder how many thing in Dust that seem so completely broken would be fixed by a big old delete of all the PC 1.0 ISK? I know there's a lot of resentment in the community about some people having a whole lot of ISK that seemingly wasn't really earned. With it gone, anyone with a bunch of ISK could only have gotten it through hard work using the same systems we've all got access to. This is why if/when a port comes I'd be happy for a full ISK reset. Maybe not a popular thing to say but the passive ISK generation of PC 1.0 has caused so many problems and is still funding the stockpiling of these weapons. Hopefully switching the passive creation of them to active via EOM salvage and Strongboxes will help burn through them. I'm fine with an ISK reset for port. But until then, everything so far has been acquired through valid, in game methods. They got the ISK, they have the right to do whatever they want with it. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 14	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:45:00 - [44] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: The funniest thing is that there are vets around today that actually believe it's easier to be a new player now than it has ever been. As though somehow the playerbase could have been slanted towards veteran players even more than it is now. You have no freaking clue. You want to talk about unfair? SP wasn't reset after beta. Everyone coming in from open were behind. You know that amazing 750k SP cap? Used to be smaller as well. 400k IIRC. TAR and Laser rifles were more broken than anything that used to be in the game. Laser Rifle squads used to be called "The Fingers of Death". Death taxies existed. LAV's that were almost impossible to kill and could kill you if they barely even TOUCHED YOU. You would have matches with one or two of these people driving around playing bumper cars with infantry. BPO's were nowhere near as proliferate. It is so much easier for a new player to get into the game. You don't even need SP boosts anymore to try and catch up, simply playing will get you the SP you need. I remember when I felt like I had to buy the Elite pack for 2 straight months of active and passive boosts just to catch up to the competition (And to have BPO's to not lose too much ISK). Compared to what we had in the past, you guys are so much more blessed. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:22:00 - [45] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: [ You know that amazing 750k SP cap? Used to be smaller as well. 400k IIRC. Thought it was closer to 200k. Dropsuit Usage Rates
shanatak Prima Gallicus 37	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:41:00 - [46] - Quote NO NO NO I want to keep all my officers weapons!!! Officers weapons are the cherry on the cake
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 273	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:44:00 - [47] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote: 500 Nothi's NK About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use.. Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use. You got these playing within the rules of the game, so nothing personal. But: That is a disgusting amount of officer gear to have, and I'm sure there's players that have more. CCP knew they were creating OP weapons but their justification was that they would be 'rare'. Now all we're left with are OP weapons that are only 'rare' to those that don't have the ISK or SP for them - that is, new players. And CCP should have realized that people will break weak systems. So, because you could have three warbages producing gear per account, everyone eventually gets access to three labs, producing. This people who are so obsessed with getting ahead in a dead game and paid out the ass for WB components got there even faster and used that edge to farm items and make mountains of ISK. The warbarge itself was a horrible idea but CCP really wanted that money, and they were willing to break parts of the game to do it. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:44:00 - [48] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: [Good stuff about difficulties vets had to face] Oh, and you can now complete daily missions to earn bonus SP and ISK, accelerating the painful first 2 - 3 weeks of DUST 514 newberry-hood. If you are feeling flushed with cash, you can now triple stack passive and active boosters to rapidly gain SP and bridge that gap between newberry and vet even faster. Oh, and we didn't have the warbarge providing passive ISK and SP generation every day. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
DozersMouse XIII Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:19:00 - [49] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: The funniest thing is that there are vets around today that actually believe it's easier to be a new player now than it has ever been. As though somehow the playerbase could have been slanted towards veteran players even more than it is now. Is it not? The amount of SP you can gain these days compared to back then. It used to take a month to get a million SP and that's grinding the cap with a booster These days it takes a week to get 3m plus SP addicted to the Kubo's GMK-16 banana cannon
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:29:00 - [50] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: The funniest thing is that there are vets around today that actually believe it's easier to be a new player now than it has ever been. As though somehow the playerbase could have been slanted towards veteran players even more than it is now. Is it not? The amount of SP you can gain these days compared to back then. It used to take a month to get a million SP and that's grinding the cap with a booster These days it takes a week to get 3m plus SP Very true. Still want to see in match performance-based bonuses for noobs fighting the good fight against better skilled and better-geared vets. Would like to see fighting as the keystone to fast advancement, modified by AUR-based boosters if the player wants to advance faster. The message from the game mechanics should be 'get out there and fight bro, i got your back'. PSN: RationalSpark

Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:29:00 - [51] - Quote I have almost 100 balacs & Krins that iv got through salvage and the lab, I only have about 40 total rattatis that I got through 2 trades and a lot of lab visits. Your telling me that you gonna take all of that away and make it to where I have to wait another 3 ***** years just to get 1 weapon from a strong box because I can't afford real money to get 5000 keys? I'm sorry but ** you. At the original system before open beta ended, I had over 5 alex smg, 50 balacs, 30 krins, etc I got them once every week maybe and I never used them because I knew I couldn't get more. Now the system does it to where you get in salvage once a day every 10 years and strong boxes every 20 years. I will not submit to that kind of wait when I know there are people getting 100+ù the better luck just because they have money. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C It's not a dick, don't take it so hard bruh- hate mail response
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:33:00 - [52] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value? This makes the most sense. - It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley. - It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done. - Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar. - It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players. CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least. You want a level playing field, so make one. Is this a joke?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 14	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:34:00 - [53] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: [ You know that amazing 750k SP cap? Used to be smaller as well. 400k IIRC. Thought it was closer to 200k. Probably, its been a long time. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 14	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:35:00 - [54] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: [Good stuff about difficulties vets had to face] Oh, and you can now complete daily missions to earn bonus SP and ISK, accelerating the painful first 2 - 3 weeks of DUST 514 newberry-hood. If you are feeling flushed with cash, you can now triple stack passive and active boosters to rapidly gain SP and bridge that gap between newberry and vet even faster. Oh, and we didn't have the warbarge providing passive ISK and SP generation every day. I forgot about those as well. Lets not forget to mention free clone packs for PC so long as you're active. I remember having to donate ISK to the corp just to get fights and make sure our tankers could run tanks for PC. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 276	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:35:00 - [55] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: [ You know that amazing 750k SP cap? Used to be smaller as well. 400k IIRC. Thought it was closer to 200k. Probably, its been a long time. I think the old cap was 273k, so 400k with a booster running. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
argel999 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K The T.H.I.R.D Empire 35	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:36:00 - [56] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value? This makes the most sense. - It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley. - It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done. - Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar. - It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players. CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least. You want a level playing field, so make one. Just kill them. ...SLAYER... Sometimes Pubs are more difficul than PCs, yea Scotty trolls you with a 16 vs 10 and anybody into squad
Z Vatican G0DS AM0NG MEN 48	Posted - 2015.10.21 17:01:00 - [57] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: The reason was given officer trade is being shut down You can stop there. Trading is not being shut down. Farming officer gear from the warbarge is being shut down. There is a HUGE difference. Huge difference indeed. I stock piled 400+ in Officer Light weapons and made almost 100 Mil. Plus I sell low since I feel any officer weapon shouldn't be that much since everyone had it. BUT Now since the value of officer weapons will slowly rise higher with the " Not TOO much" officer gear being provided for free. We can now say they will be rare after lots of people lose them. :D CEO of Hentai Fedeartion / *Caldari is Life- State Peacekeeper- Enemies of the Gallente*
Yoda Boss Dem Durrty Boyz 323	Posted - 2015.10.21 17:16:00 - [58] - Quote Devadander wrote: To clarify: I was never part of pc1.0. Never part of a giant corp. Never had taxes on my corp. Never scammed anyone. Never ran exploits. Had 900m pre-trading. I am now worth 2.2b. I have made my isk the hard way. And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too. I work for my money. Same. I did pay taxes here n there. Whatever. I'm not going to say how much isk I have. No scams and exploits. That's just stupid. I own like 15 apex suits and 1-2 skins per _______. (What's the word?) Body size? I remember a time when random people in squad would offer HUGE bounty on random people. Talk about the amount of isk I made then. Officer weapons. I been buying them up since trading opened up. So I have well over a billion isk worth in just officer items. Best part is I don't use officer gear. Lol. Some people like to play games on hard. Not very easy. I just buy stuff up because I can. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒGû¬.°n+í¤GÿåGùÅ.° GÖñGÖíTrade/saleGÖºGÖñ
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 17:44:00 - [59] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: The funniest thing is that there are vets around today that actually believe it's easier to be a new player now than it has ever been. As though somehow the playerbase could have been slanted towards veteran players even more than it is now. You have no freaking clue. You want to talk about unfair? SP wasn't reset after beta. Everyone coming in from open were behind. You know that amazing 750k SP cap? Used to be smaller as well. 400k IIRC. TAR and Laser rifles were more broken than anything that used to be in the game. Laser Rifle squads used to be called "The Fingers of Death". Death taxies existed. LAV's that were almost impossible to kill and could kill you if they barely even TOUCHED YOU. You would have matches with one or two of these people driving around playing bumper cars with infantry. BPO's were nowhere near as proliferate. It is so much easier for a new player to get into the game. You don't even need SP boosts anymore to try and catch up, simply playing will get you the SP you need. I remember when I felt like I had to buy the Elite pack for 2 straight months of active and passive boosts just to catch up to the competition (And to have BPO's to not lose too much ISK). Compared to what we had in the past, you guys are so much more blessed. All that, and not a mention of the word " fun." When I started back in Chrome... You know what I had even with no knowledge of the game mechanics? Fun. When I started this alt for Uprising, even with knowledge of the game, "fun" was hard to come by as a Minotaur. When I recently started a new character on a different PSN, same story: lack of this "fun" concept. All that crap you mentioned? Doesn't mean shlt. All it does is decrease the time it takes before the new player or whoever can start to have fun. But that means that there is going to be a slog through a time period where they are probably not going to enjoy themselves that much. At that point, why play? DUST should be fun from the get-go. (And all that is not me agreeing with the premise of this thread or other ideas contained therein) I'm the Minotaur You! Yes, you! You are an illiterate little twit.
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 240	Posted - 2015.10.21 18:20:00 - [60] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value? This makes the most sense. - It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley. - It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done. - Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar. - It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players. CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least. You want a level playing field, so make one. OP, I suspect the heart of your post is really more about balance of game play more than anything else. Removing Officer gear might bring about balance but at what cost? Players have been playing the "game" as designed that is to say they are using the market to trade this gear or shooting other mercs with it. You won't see CCP remove this gear without risking a riot. If you want to balance the usage of Officer gear than you might want to acknowledge CCP has taken the appropriate right step in curbing the generation of the gear in the short term. In order to curb the utilization of the weapons I argue the fitting costs need for weapons need to come in line with the rest of the tiers. This would raise the cost and increase the risk of using these weapons. Eventually the glut of Officer weapons will settle out. Officer suits present a different issue and it's one I don't have a good solution for unless there is an additional skill level added above 5 for dropsuits. I don't think that would be downtime patch but something much more involved for CCP Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way with YES!



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