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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.10.21 09:55:00 -
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The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value?
This makes the most sense.
- It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley.
- It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done.
- Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar.
- It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players.
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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nicholas73
Glitched Connection
496
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Posted - 2015.10.21 09:56:00 -
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I've spent hundreds of millions of ISK stockpiling officer weapons, removing them isn't right now is it?
Jack of all trades, master of none.
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
267
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:02:00 -
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500 Nothi's NK
About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use..
Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use.
tbh I should have seen this coming and stockpiled more.. 
But a headstart is nice, one flaw with the idea here is no experimental NK to refund me with
As usual it will be NPE and the playerbase that suffer for CCP's mistakes 
Well that was a surprise.
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
226
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:15:00 -
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Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:500 Nothi's NK
About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use..
Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use.
You got these playing within the rules of the game, so nothing personal. But:
That is a disgusting amount of officer gear to have, and I'm sure there's players that have more. CCP knew they were creating OP weapons but their justification was that they would be 'rare'. Now all we're left with are OP weapons that are only 'rare' to those that don't have the ISK or SP for them - that is, new players.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:18:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down
You can stop there.
Trading is not being shut down.
Farming officer gear from the warbarge is being shut down.
There is a HUGE difference.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:37:00 -
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The old bait and switch lol. Won't effect the officer stomps since newbs will still sell what they get in salvage and never have them, and the elites have thousands stockpiled. It's actually hilarious. |
Foo Fighting
Blank Application
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:45:00 -
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It was only weeks ago Ratatti said he was surprised not much is being fielded - more fickle than my missus! |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.10.21 11:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down You can stop there. Trading is not being shut down. Farming officer gear from the warbarge is being shut down. There is a HUGE difference.
You kill the supply of an item, you kill the trade of that item.
RNG key drops are not a reliable supply. There is no reason to trade any officer gear I have in the hopes that maybe todays sinlge decryptor key will restock my supply. Frankly it wont. You are far more likely to recieve advanced or complex modules.
Just go the distance, remove all officer gear that was "farmed" as you put it.
The CPM made the argument that officer is too prevalent, but if you dont remove its prevalance, then you killed the officer trade for no reason. Leaving massive officer stockpiles in the hands of some players is the same as dfoing nothing at all.
Refund players for the items true isk value. Remove officer gear from everyone. Restart the officer trade economy from scratch.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
270
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Posted - 2015.10.21 11:31:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:500 Nothi's NK
About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use..
Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use.
You got these playing within the rules of the game, so nothing personal. But: That is a disgusting amount of officer gear to have, and I'm sure there's players that have more. CCP knew they were creating OP weapons but their justification was that they would be 'rare'. Now all we're left with are OP weapons that are only 'rare' to those that don't have the ISK or SP for them - that is, new players.
Exactly the amount I was going for
I barely use it, just wanted it so Jara Kumora would notice me 
Note: In the first days of trading, I had well over 1000 already so 1:1 trades got a lot of my stockpile, as a dedicated Minmatar gypsy, buying it at stupid prices is something I avoid.. I use NK/PLC the rest was just gathered for the sake of it.
Market prices are ret*rded.. as it is.. this change will increase them.. meaning only long term players / those that made profits from PC 1.0 will have the luxury of spending on ISK them, so I am glad I got in before this change
Well that was a surprise.
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
270
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Posted - 2015.10.21 11:38:00 -
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As far as reset... Why ??
You think reseting the weapons will change anything ?? For a while maybe.. but it was the ease of gathering ISK that caused some players to have much more than others, while having this ISK, gear can be purchased again..
So you don't change anything.. Other than add a chore for those who want gear.
- I'd support a full ISK+Asset+SP reset, but not an asset change like the one mentioned in OP as it is not the players fault CCP did not see this coming.. you'd think years of mercs crying about imbalance between player funding would have been noticed by now, but no.. CCP will keep beating around the bush, trying to fix the mess that they let happen.
If you truly cared about balance, you would be seeking full resets.
No need to take my stash now that you can't have any  
Well that was a surprise.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.10.21 11:55:00 -
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Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:As far as reset... Why ?? You think reseting the weapons will change anything ?? For a while maybe.. but it was the ease of gathering ISK that caused some players to have much more than others, while having this ISK, gear can be purchased again.. So you don't change anything.. Other than add a chore for those who want gear. - I'd support a full ISK+Asset+SP reset, but not an asset change like the one mentioned in OP as it is not the players fault CCP did not see this coming.. you'd think years of mercs crying about imbalance between player funding would have been noticed by now, but no.. CCP will keep beating around the bush, trying to fix the mess that they let happen. If you truly cared about balance, you would be seeking full resets. No need to take my stash now that you can't have any
We are geting a free SP reset next event.
True isk vallue is something like 2 million per offcer weapon. You can extrapolate from the 10% trade tax how much the true isk value of an item is.
Yeah, i am all for full resets.
If you gathered all 500 officer NKs from the warbarge, the CPM might have a leg to stand on when it comes to ending its generation in the warbarge. But you didnt, it was all meta game. Killing the meta game just leaves massive stockpiles like yours to trade, and as you said, unless you got PC 1.0 isk you are economically locked out of the market.
Just end that imbalance right now. Half measures are not enough.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
445
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:00:00 -
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Rare items should be rare...... end of story.
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
906
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:01:00 -
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I have over 500 viks.
Problem is, I paid trade prices for these. 250-400k depending on the day.
There is no way to remove these amounts of stockpiles that won't severely tick people off. 95% of us were just grinding and buying what we could.
Boxes are still a crazy source seeing how many one receives constantly. Most of my current empire is from opening like 2000 boxes.. But 99% of that crap I don't use, so it went to jara. To make isk. To buy more viks.
Remove officer from lab, totally fine.
Remove officer from our inventory, I'm done.
There's a time~value there. Removal from lab will already skyrocket prices. Making the rich richer, and suffer the daily grinders.
This is very thin and crispy ice we tread on now.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:03:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
You want a level playing field, so make one.
When I'm not playing DUST, I farm
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:03:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:Rare items should be rare...... end of story.
So lets make them rare. Remove them all + isk refund. Reintroduce them only via strongboxes.
Otherwise they are just wildly plentiful for some, and extremley rare for others.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:03:00 -
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Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:500 Nothi's NK
About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use..
Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use.
You got these playing within the rules of the game, so nothing personal. But: That is a disgusting amount of officer gear to have, and I'm sure there's players that have more. CCP knew they were creating OP weapons but their justification was that they would be 'rare'. Now all we're left with are OP weapons that are only 'rare' to those that don't have the ISK or SP for them - that is, new players. Exactly the amount I was going for I barely use it, just wanted it so Jara Kumora would notice me Note: In the first days of trading, I had well over 1000 already so 1:1 trades got a lot of my stockpile, as a dedicated Minmatar gypsy, buying it at stupid prices is something I avoid.. I use NK/PLC the rest was just gathered for the sake of it. Market prices are ret*rded.. as it is.. this change will increase them.. meaning only long term players / those that made profits from PC 1.0 will have the luxury of spending on ISK them, so I am glad I got in before this change
I wonder how many thing in Dust that seem so completely broken would be fixed by a big old delete of all the PC 1.0 ISK?
Something is killing new player retention.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
907
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:14:00 -
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To clarify:
I was never part of pc1.0.
Never part of a giant corp.
Never had taxes on my corp.
Never scammed anyone.
Never ran exploits.
Had 900m pre-trading.
I am now worth 2.2b.
I have made my isk the hard way.
And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too.
I work for my money.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:18:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value?
This makes the most sense.
- It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley.
- It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done.
- Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar.
- It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players.
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one.
So, how long until you want experimental gear removed as well?
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:20:00 -
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Devadander wrote:To clarify:
I was never part of pc1.0.
Never part of a giant corp.
Never had taxes on my corp.
Never scammed anyone.
Never ran exploits.
Had 900m pre-trading.
I am now worth 2.2b.
I have made my isk the hard way.
And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too.
I work for my money.
And I'm sure there are others like you. Do you think having earned your own ISK changes your attitude towards stuff like running your officer gear in pubs?
edit: I should clairfy that is a real question, not rhetorical.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Chocol Mcdonnel
Dead Man's Game
84
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:21:00 -
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Inbefore refund for each officer weapon is 100k isk |
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
908
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:30:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Devadander wrote:To clarify:
I was never part of pc1.0.
Never part of a giant corp.
Never had taxes on my corp.
Never scammed anyone.
Never ran exploits.
Had 900m pre-trading.
I am now worth 2.2b.
I have made my isk the hard way.
And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too.
I work for my money.
And I'm sure there are others like you. Do you think having earned your own ISK changes your attitude towards stuff like running your officer gear in pubs? edit: I should clairfy that is a real question, not rhetorical.
Yes. I only pull a vik in fw. I have a one tank lost a day limit. I'm 99% of the time in my std bpo fits. I rarely loan isk. I only restock to 30 on most fits. I never use pro on std, modules or otherwise.
This way, when a nation or corporation needs me, I can go full potato till the job is done.
Basically dusts cheapest cheapa$$ lowl
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:30:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value?
This makes the most sense.
- It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley.
- It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done.
- Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar.
- It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players.
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one. So, how long until you want experimental gear removed as well?
I dont want restrictions on either. I argued in favor of Officer gear for warbarge components. Since that argument failed, then i am just going along to the next logical step. CCP want officer gear to be rare, then this is the only way to actually make it happen. Otherwise its just window dressing. Rare for most, but common for some is really poor way to think about it.
On experimental gear: I am positive that soon there are going to be threads about "too much experimental gear, its killling me, remove them from pubs" in the same vien as the complaints about officer weapons. I would not be surprised if the response is " lets change/reduce how many exp. weapons you can collect from the warbarge"
When players complained about 6 man squads and got them nerfed, they were'nt satisfied and have moved on to complaining about 4 man squads and want pubs to be solo players only.
The same guys complained about officer gear, will move on to complaining about exp gear.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:31:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in their ISK value?
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing access to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one. To begin with, CCP has not "killed officer trade". They have ripped the bandaid off of passive generation; thus making officer weapons rare again. Experimental weapons will replace them on the battlefield and that is a good thing for veterans and newbies.
The people who currently own stockpiles of officer gear will have them destroyed in battle. This problem corrects itself over time with every officer toy that gets destroyed. Asset loss is one of the unique things about New Eden. Let asset loss do its job.
"I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:32:00 -
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I don't really care too much about it since I rarely use officer gear and stock piled a few (though, not as much as other players).
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:32:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Devadander wrote:To clarify:
I was never part of pc1.0.
Never part of a giant corp.
Never had taxes on my corp.
Never scammed anyone.
Never ran exploits.
Had 900m pre-trading.
I am now worth 2.2b.
I have made my isk the hard way.
And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too.
I work for my money.
And I'm sure there are others like you. Do you think having earned your own ISK changes your attitude towards stuff like running your officer gear in pubs? edit: I should clairfy that is a real question, not rhetorical.
I wasn't in PC 1.0
I've only ever been in FA and a handful of other small corps.
LOL Taxes
Never scammed
Never exploited
I got all my ISK through playing PC and ringing in PC. Compared to a lot of people I know in PC, I'm also very poor only ever having at most 300 mil ISK in my wallet. I've known people with literal BILLIONS of ISK in PC.
Keeping that in mind, I still think that people can run whatever the hell they want. It's a freaking sandbox game.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:34:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in their ISK value?
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing access to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one. To begin with, CCP has not "killed officer trade". They have ripped the bandaid off of passive generation; thus making officer weapons rare again. Experimental weapons will replace them on the battlefield and that is a good thing for veterans and newbies. The people who currently own stockpiles of officer gear will have them destroyed in battle. This problem corrects itself over time with every officer toy that gets destroyed. Asset loss is one of the unique things about New Eden. Let asset loss do its job.
I've been running my stockpile of aurum basic suits into the ground for a month. I havent even used 100 yet.
You think that guys with 1000 officer weapons are going to finish them anytime soon?
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:36:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:I've been running my stockpile of aurum basic suits into the ground for a month. I haven't even used 100 yet. You think that guys with 1000 officer weapons are going to finish them anytime soon? Depends on play time and how risk averse each player is.
Also, last time I checked, basic AUR gear wasn't heavily in demand by PC corps
"I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
908
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:36:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in their ISK value?
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing access to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one. To begin with, CCP has not "killed officer trade". They have ripped the bandaid off of passive generation; thus making officer weapons rare again. Experimental weapons will replace them on the battlefield and that is a good thing for veterans and newbies. The people who currently own stockpiles of officer gear will have them destroyed in battle. This problem corrects itself over time with every officer toy that gets destroyed. Asset loss is one of the unique things about New Eden. Let asset loss do its job.
The exp ARR.
I would rather use this than the ghalags.
Before we flood the market with exp, lets consider lab only making 1 at default. Then +1 per level.
This could nip future nerfs in the bud.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:38:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value?
This makes the most sense.
- It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley.
- It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done.
- Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar.
- It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players.
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one. So, how long until you want experimental gear removed as well? I dont want restrictions on either. I argued in favor of Officer gear for warbarge components. Since that argument failed, then i am just going along to the next logical step. CCP want officer gear to be rare, then this is the only way to actually make it happen. Otherwise its just window dressing. Rare for most, but common for some is really poor way to think about it. On experimental gear: I am positive that soon there are going to be threads about "too much experimental gear, its killling me, remove them from pubs" in the same vien as the complaints about officer weapons. I would not be surprised if the response is " lets change/reduce how many exp. weapons you can collect from the warbarge" When players complained about 6 man squads and got them nerfed, they were'nt satisfied and have moved on to complaining about 4 man squads and want pubs to be solo players only. The same guys complained about officer gear, will move on to complaining about exp gear.
Believe me, I know.
People whining like this will slowly, but surely, destroy this game.
They will whine until officer is removed completely, then prototype, then advanced.
Because they can't seem to get it through their mind that the problem exists between the controller and the chair, not in the game.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:I've been running my stockpile of aurum basic suits into the ground for a month. I haven't even used 100 yet. You think that guys with 1000 officer weapons are going to finish them anytime soon? Depends on play time and how risk averse each player is. Also, last time I checked, basic AUR gear wasn't heavily in demand by PC corps
Running basic aur gear with and against randoms in pubs your going to lose far more suits than your 1 PC match a day.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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