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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:18:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value?
This makes the most sense.
- It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley.
- It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done.
- Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar.
- It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players.
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one.
So, how long until you want experimental gear removed as well?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:32:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Devadander wrote:To clarify:
I was never part of pc1.0.
Never part of a giant corp.
Never had taxes on my corp.
Never scammed anyone.
Never ran exploits.
Had 900m pre-trading.
I am now worth 2.2b.
I have made my isk the hard way.
And yes, buying aur and selling the items is hard too.
I work for my money.
And I'm sure there are others like you. Do you think having earned your own ISK changes your attitude towards stuff like running your officer gear in pubs? edit: I should clairfy that is a real question, not rhetorical.
I wasn't in PC 1.0
I've only ever been in FA and a handful of other small corps.
LOL Taxes
Never scammed
Never exploited
I got all my ISK through playing PC and ringing in PC. Compared to a lot of people I know in PC, I'm also very poor only ever having at most 300 mil ISK in my wallet. I've known people with literal BILLIONS of ISK in PC.
Keeping that in mind, I still think that people can run whatever the hell they want. It's a freaking sandbox game.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:38:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:The reason was given officer trade is being shut down was too much officer in pubs: Should CCP remove all officer gear, refund the players in thier ISK value?
This makes the most sense.
- It stops all officer gear in pubs immediatley.
- It undos immense damage that the CPM says the passive generation of Officer gear has done.
- Experimental weapons can actually take the place of Officer gear. CCP says they are nearly similar.
- It eliminates stockpiles in the hands of a realtive few players.
CCP have killed officer trade anyway. Just go the distance and restart it all from scratch. Keeping officer gear in the hands of the richest players who stockpiled them just lets them stomp further. Removing acess to players who will have to get officer to fight in PC is damaging to say the least.
You want a level playing field, so make one. So, how long until you want experimental gear removed as well? I dont want restrictions on either. I argued in favor of Officer gear for warbarge components. Since that argument failed, then i am just going along to the next logical step. CCP want officer gear to be rare, then this is the only way to actually make it happen. Otherwise its just window dressing. Rare for most, but common for some is really poor way to think about it. On experimental gear: I am positive that soon there are going to be threads about "too much experimental gear, its killling me, remove them from pubs" in the same vien as the complaints about officer weapons. I would not be surprised if the response is " lets change/reduce how many exp. weapons you can collect from the warbarge" When players complained about 6 man squads and got them nerfed, they were'nt satisfied and have moved on to complaining about 4 man squads and want pubs to be solo players only. The same guys complained about officer gear, will move on to complaining about exp gear.
Believe me, I know.
People whining like this will slowly, but surely, destroy this game.
They will whine until officer is removed completely, then prototype, then advanced.
Because they can't seem to get it through their mind that the problem exists between the controller and the chair, not in the game.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:33:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:500 Nothi's NK
About 1000 more of Officer weapons I use..
Another 1000 more of Officer stuff I don't use.
You got these playing within the rules of the game, so nothing personal. But: That is a disgusting amount of officer gear to have, and I'm sure there's players that have more. CCP knew they were creating OP weapons but their justification was that they would be 'rare'. Now all we're left with are OP weapons that are only 'rare' to those that don't have the ISK or SP for them - that is, new players. Exactly the amount I was going for  I barely use it, just wanted it so Jara Kumora would notice me  Note: In the first days of trading, I had well over 1000 already so 1:1 trades got a lot of my stockpile, as a dedicated Minmatar gypsy, buying it at stupid prices is something I avoid.. I use NK/PLC the rest was just gathered for the sake of it. Market prices are ret*rded.. as it is.. this change will increase them.. meaning only long term players / those that made profits from PC 1.0 will have the luxury of spending on ISK them, so I am glad I got in before this change I wonder how many thing in Dust that seem so completely broken would be fixed by a big old delete of all the PC 1.0 ISK? I know there's a lot of resentment in the community about some people having a whole lot of ISK that seemingly wasn't really earned. With it gone, anyone with a bunch of ISK could only have gotten it through hard work using the same systems we've all got access to. This is why if/when a port comes I'd be happy for a full ISK reset. Maybe not a popular thing to say but the passive ISK generation of PC 1.0 has caused so many problems and is still funding the stockpiling of these weapons. Hopefully switching the passive creation of them to active via EOM salvage and Strongboxes will help burn through them.
I'm fine with an ISK reset for port.
But until then, everything so far has been acquired through valid, in game methods.
They got the ISK, they have the right to do whatever they want with it.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:45:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:The funniest thing is that there are vets around today that actually believe it's easier to be a new player now than it has ever been. As though somehow the playerbase could have been slanted towards veteran players even more than it is now.
You have no freaking clue.
You want to talk about unfair?
SP wasn't reset after beta. Everyone coming in from open were behind.
You know that amazing 750k SP cap? Used to be smaller as well. 400k IIRC.
TAR and Laser rifles were more broken than anything that used to be in the game. Laser Rifle squads used to be called "The Fingers of Death".
Death taxies existed. LAV's that were almost impossible to kill and could kill you if they barely even TOUCHED YOU. You would have matches with one or two of these people driving around playing bumper cars with infantry.
BPO's were nowhere near as proliferate.
It is so much easier for a new player to get into the game. You don't even need SP boosts anymore to try and catch up, simply playing will get you the SP you need. I remember when I felt like I had to buy the Elite pack for 2 straight months of active and passive boosts just to catch up to the competition (And to have BPO's to not lose too much ISK).
Compared to what we had in the past, you guys are so much more blessed.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:34:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:[
You know that amazing 750k SP cap? Used to be smaller as well. 400k IIRC.
Thought it was closer to 200k.
Probably, its been a long time.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:35:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:[Good stuff about difficulties vets had to face] Oh, and you can now complete daily missions to earn bonus SP and ISK, accelerating the painful first 2 - 3 weeks of DUST 514 newberry-hood. If you are feeling flushed with cash, you can now triple stack passive and active boosters to rapidly gain SP and bridge that gap between newberry and vet even faster. Oh, and we didn't have the warbarge providing passive ISK and SP generation every day.
I forgot about those as well.
Lets not forget to mention free clone packs for PC so long as you're active.
I remember having to donate ISK to the corp just to get fights and make sure our tankers could run tanks for PC.
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