Is it a scout or assault? Really ccp, it's more effective than a scout at shotgun in the city because of shield survivability, and don't bring up Ewar when seeing him doesn't give you an advantage at all! I still have to stop him! Stopping him is the problem! He's going to shotgun you before you can stop him every time.

The suit's encroachment into other roles is a bit annoying! The min assault is now used often as a sprint deployment fit that can beat scouts into to city, while having superior survivability?

Ewar means squat when he'll just survive every attack?! It's movement speed and sprint speed is still insane even after the 20% nerf to overall speed. This is a heaping advantage that helps it survive an insane amount of attacks!

To be fair, I do agree with it being the fastest assault suit in comparison to other assaults. Especially with the ACR receiving a range nerf. However, that fast? The assault speed should not blur the lines with scout speed?!

The slot layout on the min assault just allows it to basically be a tanked scout with less Ewar?!

Do you intend to look at this?

my scout runs at 11.12 a mIn assault cant get that fast

Your scout is also paper thin and will be obliterated in under a second due to aim assist.

So you say the Minmatar Assault is encroaching into the role of scouts?

Why do we never here the same argument when Gallente Assault's use stealth, when Amarr Assault's brick tank with Logi's, when the Amarr Scout is used as an Assault, when scouts play as logistics, when Commandos are better at assaulting than Assaults, when logistics play as assaults or when heavies biotic tank? Why ostracize the Minmatar Assault when just about any suit can "encroach" into the realm of other suits?

What's the point of having all modules available to all suits if players cannot modify suits to their needs?

Alot of suit's can do this you point out, but none so abusively as the min assault.

Show me a scout that can stop him....

Scouts as assaults cripple the team in Ewar, and often can't perform this garbage in PC unless they're modding or using a glitch. Certain names of scrubs come to mind lol!

The min assault will survive an engagement with a scout SG v SG every time often one shotting the scout. He's so fast that even if you're behind him he'll shirk of the first shot with his higher shield defense, jump turn, and 1 shot the scout?!

He often carries a shotgun or MD. Both weapons are capable of obliterating scouts while the min assault has a deadly combo of speed and shield.

There's a ton of weapon and dropsuit mix and match that is cool to play, but most don't completely destroy other roles in their primary zone like the min assault v scout.

Gallente assaults use stealth because their primary weapon sucks lol! Amarr Assault's brick tank with Logi's because lolscrub lol! Try that bs in PC if you dare lol!

So....fluxing him first is out of the question? Speedstacks go shield heavy so wipe the shield and gg. Flux, plc, **** even timing the flux obs will work.

If anything, the last year+ of complaint threads regarding "run n gun" playstyles leads me to think that maybe DUST should add trapping elements, placable weaponry that are AoE and activated by disruption of a field of contact by the enemy. Whatever the flavor type, armor damage (claymore mines) shield damage (flux mines) mass attraction (magnetic/sticky mines) EWAR (sensor mines) , something. New Content.

Let me just say that while personnel mines could be easily implemented given that we already have vehicle proximity mines they would almost certainly be universally hated by everyone.

How annoying would it be if every time you walked through a doorway there was a 50/50 chance of being automatically blown up. There's enough complaints as it is, and this would basically necessitate that everyone scan every door way before entering.

If everyone of your argument ends the same as that of a teenage girl it's hard to take you seriously.

My problem with nerfing Minmatar Assaults is that they were already nerfed seemingly at a whim, and a new nerf is so spontaneous it doesn't make sense. The Minmatar Assault might be out of line when compared to the Caldari Assault, but just about everyone agrees that the Caldari Assault needs a buff in several areas.

I find it difficult to believe that as a scout you are being severely out maneuvered in CQC. If you are playing stealthy then you should be finding them not the other way around. If your playstyle is more of a dueling/one-v.-one style of engagement then you should drop the dampeners and use your scout as more of a light assault.

Scouts are fine though. They are at their most popular, and just about everyone that considers themselves scout centric tend to see themselves as the strongest foot unit. I just don't see how a Minmatar Assault with a shotgun is any worse than a Gallente Assault with dampeners and triple Complex Damage Modifers and a Prototype Tactical AR.

Chances are that if the Minmatar Assaults were nerfed enough to be as slow as the Gallente and Caldari Assault's you, and people who support your original post would go on to attack the racial strengths of other suits.

when the Amarr Scout is used

Your argument is that of someone who plays pubs against moronic blues/reds more than someone who runs in a PC team.

When the enemy is daft and still learning what a buttstock is, then all this stealth and tactics works. However, when you'reup against a team of hardened veterans who specialize in killing 250 clones in 15 mins! Things are a little different!

Alot of people base their arguments on pub experiences when they say that something is or isn't broken, or imbalanced. You know how many galmando with SG you will see in PC? None! Why? Because it's impractical as all hell! So is tanked scouts of any kind, and while they may serve a singular purpose, they aren't the fit to run the entire match?! Pub "fun fits" are highly impractical in PC!

Just because it's fun doesn't mean it's balanced, and if you're truly a skilled player certain changes shouldn't effect your gameplay all that much. When they do effect the outcome of engagements a large percentage of the time is where I take issue, and in what world does the min assault need a buff?

Fastest stamina regen, speed to equal scouts, high shield regen, 4/4 slot layout, Combat rifles, MD, sub, flaylock, can fit any combo of mods, best jumpy fit, etc. Are you kidding? It's arguably the best assault fit, and I'm sure the stats show it!

In PC you're not dealing with a bunch of guys that don't have an understanding of Ewar, tactics, avenues of approach, and weapon stats. If you are whoo hoo free check lol! Most of the time you're dealing with a full very aware 16 in areas where splash is flying, hmgs are firing, and shotguns are firing! There's an ads dropping death, a tank patrolling, and you've got very little hp to do a huge role with!

I've been playing scout in PC for an extremely long time, and hiding all match isn't very useful to the team! It's all fine and dandy to know where the enemy is, but killing him is different! It's a struggle to kill a min assault in any suit, but the scout lacks any real advantage with the current min assault stats.

So you say the Minmatar Assault is encroaching into the role of scouts?

Why do we never here the same argument when Gallente Assault's use stealth, when Amarr Assault's brick tank with Logi's, when the Amarr Scout is used as an Assault, when scouts play as logistics, when Commandos are better at assaulting than Assaults, when logistics play as assaults or when heavies biotic tank? Why ostracize the Minmatar Assault when just about any suit can "encroach" into the realm of other suits?

What's the point of having all modules available to all suits if players cannot modify suits to their needs?

So....fluxing him first is out of the question? Speedstacks go shield heavy so wipe the shield and gg. Flux, plc, **** even timing the flux obs will work.

If anything, the last year+ of complaint threads regarding "run n gun" playstyles leads me to think that maybe DUST should add trapping elements, placable weaponry that are AoE and activated by disruption of a field of contact by the enemy. Whatever the flavor type, armor damage (claymore mines) shield damage (flux mines) mass attraction (magnetic/sticky mines) EWAR (sensor mines) , something. New Content.

The suit's encroachment into other roles is a bit annoying! The min assault is now used often as a sprint deployment fit that can beat scouts into to city, while having superior survivability?

Scouts can easily beat the min assault into the city except for maybe the amarr assault (though I think it has a stamina advantage and would win anyway).

The rest of your posts are about EWAR, which really does shut down min assaults if they are speed tanking. If you cant utilize wall hacks to stop someone from flanking or getting into shotgun range, you need to get good.

This complaint is equal to complaining about tanked scouts, or complaining about myofibril fits, these fits just dont work against a competent enemy, because they are very easily countered with some situational awareness and with some aim.

I use a shotgun min assault fitting quite a bit, and if there is a scan spammer on the other team, the fitting is done. You have to switch to scout or to some rifle fitting, or you wont be able to accomplish anything.

In my experience, Commandos do a number on shotgun Minassaults.

Especially galmando or minmando.

speed tanked fastballs rocking damage mods tend to be extremely fragile when you hit 'em with a mass driver.

Honestly though, I'm surprised anyone decided to cuss about it.

Minmatar have always been the speed race. their dropsuits are pretty much optimized for one of three things.

1: Speed tanked damage mods for fast glass cannon

2: Speed/Shields for fast mover with durability (scramblers eat them alive)

3: Armor/ Damage mods.

Minmatar also pay for this by having the lowest base HP in the game.


One of these days take a galmando, tank it solidly, and put a shotgun and a BAR/AR/yourfavoriteriflehere and when the minassault bombs in and shoots you, shoot 'em back with your shotgun. Odds are you live through more shots than he does.

gangups are supposed to be extremely lethal.

Suits should ONLY be balanced on a 1v1 scenario.

There is at no point a situation where I feel that anything but your own skill and ability to whip yer wang out and slap all comers should be your saving grace when you have two enemies attacking you whether at the same time or in rapid succession.

So please "But there's TWO OF THEM" isn't something I consider valid argument.