If we're actually going to nerf the Myos, hear me out for a second.

They're working as designed. The initial design was three complex myos being able to get you on top of a large crate and they do just that. Now, obviously Mass Drivers and what not are a pain to deal with but nerfing the jump height isn't going to stop that and it certainly isn't going to stop anyone from taking a dropship and perching up on a roof (which myos sort of counter in certain places like the Biomass outpost socket if you know a little parkour).

So, that being said, here's my proposals:

a) Separate Myo's melee and jump height. They should be separate modules. Having that much melee power -and- jump height is a little ridiculous.
b) Add a stamina total or stamina regen penalty. This would make total sense (greater cost of the myo biotic effects) and might even encourage some players to run Cardiac Regulators, further adding to the cost of running a biotic build.

I'd like for myos to maintain their functionality but perhaps come with a bit more cost so that they're more situational for cover busting and not spammed for easy splash damage kills.

lol gun game????

if half the players using these trash tactics had gun game they wouldnt need run right in your face then jump way faster than anyone can aim up and blast you with a flaylock or MD. they would NOT use jump mods and actually fight on the ground.....if they had GUN GAME.

edit, i can aim and hit these guys no problem from if i have the distance. its just annoying af when they run right up to you then jump.

They work jack ****,anyone who came up with that idea is probably 15 year old screaming maggot.No separation,no regen penalty just remove that **** from the game and anyone who mention it again should get IP banned for life. I'm tired of that **** and that means newbies are more tired of that ****. I REFUSE to use jumping mods because it's not fair against any player in this game.But if this continues I hope you will lost 80% of players so those 20% can jump on each other heads.

If we're actually going to nerf the Myos, hear me out for a second.

They're working as designed. The initial design was three complex myos being able to get you on top of a large crate and they do just that. Now, obviously Mass Drivers and what not are a pain to deal with but nerfing the jump height isn't going to stop that and it certainly isn't going to stop anyone from taking a dropship and perching up on a roof (which myos sort of counter in certain places like the Biomass outpost socket if you know a little parkour).

So, that being said, here's my proposals:

a) Separate Myo's melee and jump height. They should be separate modules. Having that much melee power -and- jump height is a little ridiculous.
b) Add a stamina total or stamina regen penalty. This would make total sense (greater cost of the myo biotic effects) and might even encourage some players to run Cardiac Regulators, further adding to the cost of running a biotic build.

I'd like for myos to maintain their functionality but perhaps come with a bit more cost so that they're more situational for cover busting and not spammed for easy splash damage kills.

Jumping is fun, and its practitioners are as easy to kill with firearms as those kids in that one elementary school.

You jump building....not crates...so no they are not working as designed. Come on man, the issue is I see you shot gunning a lot wearing them. So, you know they are much more powerful than "jumping on a crate". WTF

How about you be a CPM and actually listen to the 90% of the community who say they want these gone. People are tired of it and leaving the game. Honestly, even if they were actually Ok, but 90% of the community is not enjoying having it in the game it needs to go.

They work jack ****,anyone who came up with that idea is probably 15 year old screaming maggot.No separation,no regen penalty just remove that **** from the game and anyone who mention it again should get IP banned for life. I'm tired of that **** and that means newbies are more tired of that ****. I REFUSE to use jumping mods because it's not fair against any player in this game.But if this continues I hope you will lost 80% of players so those 20% can jump on each other heads.

I don't even have a shotgun fitted to -any- of my suits. That is a certifiable fact I can back up with consistent and continuous video recordings of my gameplay and livestreams. You have me mistaken with someone else in your haste to rant, repeatedly, and the feedback isn't even constructive in the slightest. You want them removed. That, I can almost guarantee, I will always fight -against-.

You can't jump buildings - you could with five of them but three (the max, btw) will just -barely- get you on top of the balcony of the bunkers in the entry way to the Gallente Research Facility. They will just -barely- get you on top of the tow-vehicles and large container crates. I know this because I use them religiously (with an AR, btw, and if you're going to start talking how OP ARs are then I know you're off your rocker) on my Gallente Assault suit. That was the height they were supposed to make, that is the height they go to.

I was also the guy that posted the video with accompanying trigonometry (that's a mathematical term dealing with the relations of the sides and angles of triangles) spreadsheets to outline that five myros was -way- too powerful and that helped institute the current maximum of three. It is still on my channel if you don't believe me and a quick google search of 'Aeon Dust Jump Trigonometry' will land you right where you need to be with the first result.



Pull me some metrics and statistics stating clearly and concisely that 90% of the community wants them gone and I'll certainly advocate for it. But because I know that the vocal majority is -NOT- the majority (as previously stated, you and the other guy are literally the only ones being outright unreasonable here, you're just posting a lot) I'm just going to let that one slide and let you try again.

Here's my advice as a CPM: Contribute to a meaningful discussion in how to balance them, within reason, or HTFU, STFU, and GTFO.



The irony, hilarity, and hypocrisy of this knows no bounds.

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Here is some data for you, stack three myos and go to the mushroom map....You can jump every single build and wall on it, except the mushroom itself, and that only takes two jumps to get on top of. Do you play this game anymore? Triple myos clear entire buildings, a single myo on a nonheavy gets onto boxes.

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For the love of all things good and holy, please stop the MD jumpers. They are trash.

The MD itself isn't bad, really. The Myos are the real problem. Players should not be able to jump about 15-20 ft or more. This is absurd. Can we please do something about this?!

For the love of all things good and holy, please get some gun game. You are trash.

The myos themselves aren't bad, really. These players are the real problem. Players should be able to aim at jumping targets, even if they jump 15-20 ft or more. This is absurd. Can you please do something about this?

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If we're actually going to nerf the Myos, hear me out for a second.

They're working as designed. The initial design was three complex myos being able to get you on top of a large crate and they do just that. Now, obviously Mass Drivers and what not are a pain to deal with but nerfing the jump height isn't going to stop that and it certainly isn't going to stop anyone from taking a dropship and perching up on a roof (which myos sort of counter in certain places like the Biomass outpost socket if you know a little parkour).

So, that being said, here's my proposals:

a) Separate Myo's melee and jump height. They should be separate modules. Having that much melee power -and- jump height is a little ridiculous.
b) Add a stamina total or stamina regen penalty. This would make total sense (greater cost of the myo biotic effects) and might even encourage some players to run Cardiac Regulators, further adding to the cost of running a biotic build.

I'd like for myos to maintain their functionality but perhaps come with a bit more cost so that they're more situational for cover busting and not spammed for easy splash damage kills.

Aeon man I just seen you a couple ******* weeks ago in a shotgun fit.. WTF. Guess someone impersonates you. You're a terrible CPM if you can't read that most people want them fixed. Here is some data for you, stack three myos and go to the mushroom map....You can jump every single build and wall on it, except the mushroom itself, and that only takes two jumps to get on top of. Do you play this game anymore? Triple myos clear entire buildings, a single myo on a nonheavy gets onto boxes. The issue here is that you are a myo scrub. You don't want to do what you were elected to do because you crutch the myos on pretty much every suit you wear. Seriously, do you not think we can't put them on as well, or see others kid jumping around? JUMP ON A CRATE>>>HAHAHA. I am still laughing about this.

Well, I don't need to use my engineering degree to tell you (without any Trig) they are not adding anything to game that most people enjoy. Squad with some randoms other that your buddies and ask them what they think. All I have seen so far from you as CPM has been really bad reasoning to defend your personal bias. Look at this thread alone. Vast majority of VOCAL (AKA active and money spending) customer's are saying fix it. Sorry if your personal play style suffers...

Think you need to check your maths there Bara; 3x proto myo on ak.0 assault, 4x feroscale plates and a rep, you can just get on top of a crate. speed with max skills is 6.98m (weirdly enough a slightly faster fit of the same suit but armour plates instead of feroscale means you can't jump onto the same box)

Myos are fine...The *ONLY* change needed to stop the scrubbery is to add a much harsher accuracy penalty when trying to jump AND shoot...That way players can shoot or they can jump -- But they will not be effective trying to do both at the same time...

Yeah, no, mass plays a pretty significant factor in jump height.

Whether or not the suit itself does is for another test that I don't have time for at the moment (should be studying right now) but I'm fairly certain jump height is also determined by base movement speed so there is likely a correlation between lighter suits and higher jump height.

EDIT: Bear in mind my Gallente Assault fit uses Ferroscales, not vanilla plates, so there is no modifier to movement speed.

Yeah, no, mass plays a pretty significant factor in jump height.

Whether or not the suit itself does is for another test that I don't have time for at the moment (should be studying right now) but I'm fairly certain jump height is also determined by base movement speed so there is likely a correlation between lighter suits and higher jump height.

EDIT: Bear in mind my Gallente Assault fit uses Ferroscales, not vanilla plates, so there is no modifier to movement speed.

For the love of all things good and holy, please get some gun game. You are trash.

The myos themselves aren't bad, really. These players are the real problem. Players should be able to aim at jumping targets, even if they jump 15-20 ft or more. This is absurd. Can you please do something about this?

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Defending admittedly broken mechanics that have been called such by those who released them does nothing but paint you as someone who's simply looking for an excuse to argue a long settled debate.

Who settled the debate as broken, exactly?

As was plainly explained with the Myofibril mods, we wanted to increase the jumping height so that stacking 3 would allow to get on top of the large containers. The plan was for stacking penalties to take care of the rest, as the 4th and 5th module under stacking penalties add incrementally almost zero improvement under normal circumstances. However, the stacking penalty does not work currently, and we havenGÇÖt found the cause. Until the cause has been found and a fix deployed, we will be limiting Myofibrils to 3 per loadout which is almost the same effect. It was silly fun while it lasted, but, ultimately not the designed intent.

If a mechanic's stacking penalty isn't applying properly, it's broken. By reducing the number you can stack you drop the jump height, but you also don't fix the issues within the module. The fact that they are broken is to the best of my knowledge a forgone discussion. They are not as broken as they once were, but still broken as alluded to by CCP Rattati in the Warlords 1.1 hotfix notes:



Except it isn't the same effect. Almost, but not really the same thing. You were meant to at max jump height be able to reach those heights mentioned in the quote, however since you only need 3 to do so (and be able to reach slightly more honestly) that leaves you with the opportunity to have free slots open while still maintaining the desired effect of the jump modules at maximum efficiency. I was thinking the broken status was obvious since the 4th and 5th module should have been negligible because of the reduction to the 2nd and 3rd which as far as I know do not occur. Please let me know if I am mistaken in this, I've been in and out of here for very large swaths of time and may have missed something, but to the best of my knowledge (and forum search abilities) this is the state of things: 3 mods stack without penalty providing somewhat more than the intended jump height. Which leads me to the other issues.

As for the hit detection issues with it being broken, please correct me if I'm wrong because I have been a bit lax in actually breaking down and testing it, I had assumed it was a generally accepted fact except for those who defend the modules. It appears obvious to me and many others I've seen post about them that quite often hit detection suffers about as much (though perhaps not quite as often) as when shooting at the strafing jiggle.

Not only this, but it allows for certain gunplay mechanics that were never intended in the game and throw off the regular basics of a fight, which I see as obvious since the jump height wasn't even a consideration in gunplay until it was pushed for long enough and hard enough to recieve attention.

Lastly allow me to say that I am not against the idea of being able to get a jump bonus for suits that need it at the cost of a module slot that could be used for more survivability. I'm also not against even an equipment that would give you a jump boost. However the purpose for jump mods was origionally to increase players ability to traverse the map. The result was a very abuseable (and widely abused) ability that breaks the basic gunfight mechanics that the game was built around.

When you put all of these together, or even any one of them on their own; whether or not anyone has said the exact words 'This is broken', I cannot help but see it as having been settled long ago that it was and is broken. And it has been said as quoted above (though I admit to a bit of a bending of phrasing) that as it is now is not how it was intended to be.

Pretty certain Rattati was insinuating that until the cause for why stacking penalties aren't applying correctly that the fourth and fifth mods wouldn't be allowed to be fit, not that the stacking penalties aren't applying and thusly they are broken as a module. Remember that strafe speeds post-Uprising 1.5 were broken but this wound up being a beloved feature up until it became an issue and was brought back down in Warlords.

"As was plainly explained with the Myofibril mods, we wanted to increase the jumping height so that stacking 3 would allow to get on top of the large containers. The plan was for stacking penalties to take care of the rest, as the 4th and 5th module under stacking penalties add incrementally almost zero improvement under normal circumstances." ~ CCP Rattati

Stacking three currently allows players to get on top of the large containers, and only some suits as the size of frame (and perhaps even amount of armor plates) affects the jump height. That in mind, they are working exactly as designed as they just barely allow for that to happen, even with stacking penalties being broken. If the stacking penalties were fixed then the Myo's would likely have to be buffed to accomodate the previous design.

But again, there are other options that can be implemented without directly attacking the myos themselves. It is important to think outside of the box when balancing, especially if a part of the whole is working as intended. We can separate jump mods from melee mods, we can increase the dispersion of weapons when jumping, etc. Going straight for the myos is a knee jerk reaction.

How does it hurt gunplay, exactly, for any reason other than hit detection which has been a persistent issue since day one

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...taking off like a bottle rocket when in a face to face gunfight with an opponent

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...easy means of escaping regular gunplay while simultaneously placing the opponent out of view and giving them easy access to headshots...

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...you can still drop MD rounds all around their feet or spray a constant stream of rounds directly down on them causing most impacts to be headshots...

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Pretty sure a CPM shouldn't say htfu, stfu or gtfo. You sgoukd argue both sides. In other words, be neutral. You, sir, are extremely bias. Not very good for a CPM. But what do I know. I just whine because people use bs exploits. But whatever. Have fun jumping.

Pretty sure a CPM shouldn't say htfu, stfu or gtfo. You sgoukd argue both sides. In other words, be neutral. You, sir, are extremely bias. Not very good for a CPM. But what do I know. I just whine because people use bs exploits. But whatever. Have fun jumping.

You're absolutely right. Next time I won't say anything and just skip straight to ignoring the people that don't want to discuss, they just want to complain.

That post was made because I'm not going to argue with people that want it just their way: Outright removal of a module. Dust 514 has seen enough things removed that have never come back (see Marauders, LLAVs, Logi Dropships, etc etc). So if a person wants to talk balance, sure, I'll talk with them about balance. But if they don't want balance and just want the module removed? I'm not going to waste my time.

Consider that a warning. You can call me bias all you want but it doesn't change the fact that I'm just not going to hear it. CCP has the ban hammer as their "going nuclear" tactic, I have outright dismissal and will use it to the fullest extent of my capability. If you want the module balanced, hit me up but if you want the module removed, talk to the other CPM (though I supremely doubt they'll hear it any more than I will; I'm just going to tell you upfront that I'm not going to hear you out)

For the love of all things good and holy, please get some gun game. You are trash.