O.o; no, you don't get ISK payout for FW. You get ISK reimbursement of your losses and if we're seriously advocating BPOs and cheap-fits in what is supposed to be a more competitive game mode, we're doing something seriously wrong. Again, what is the incentive to run better gear and go for that win if you're starkly losing? There isn't any, you just downgrade cheaper and cheaper to save ISK and decrease your own performance while the enemy increases their's.

This is one of those times I'm seriously considering the plausibility of making Squad-less game modes and meta-level lockouts as a fallback to this sort of behavior. Which is, in and of itself, contrary to the New Eden theme.

And who is he impressing when he stays and loses anyhow..?

My record speaks for itself.

No need to elaborate on a matter that has been on public display for all to see.

Usher in a new age of honor and vote Tesfa.

yup, this wanker thinks that everyone has something to prove or some values to uphold and that you should spend your free time how somebody else expects you to spend your free time!

I prefer to be a bad ass taking on the whole enemy team and trying my best, rather then running like an infant in need of it's mothers milk.

Clearly it's my preference of how to play and my opinion as well. You go ahead and leave 10 battles to find one that in your favor, don't complain when it makes you soft though.

Exactly.

People don't like when there team is at a disadvantage. Though, they are very happy when their team has the advantage. The ironic thing is that people who only stick around when they are winning will never be able to increase their skills to turn around a losing match. They are basically being carried by their team and don't even realize it.

Then run Proto and get a 20% reimbursement for your loss. Regardless leaving a match because things aren't in your favor is just absurd and you are just contributing to the broken matchmaking. Your team's MCC could be down to 3/4 armor and still turn the game around. Hell, even half armor. It's a matter of approach. Do you want to clone the enemy team if there's no way of getting and holding objectives, or do you want to actually attempt to hold objectives.

In reality, the way to combat a team or squad of people is to have one of your own unless you are a super slayer star that there are so few of in this game to begin with. I don't know how many times it has to be reiterated that Dust514 is built on the premise of working together with team-mates. That is essentially one of the many things that sets it apart from other FPS games.

If you honestly expect players to work as a team you need to give them more ways to -ACT- like a team. This means actually being able to form and join squads mid-battle, being able to communicate with your team outside of unreliable voice commands (seriously, Battlefield has us completely trumped on this), and encouraging/incentivizing that behavior. If you want me to lead my team to victory, I'll do it, but it's next to impossible when I can't even communicate with them. Am I supposed to rally my team with tactical shooting of my pistol?

Honestly though, what kind of a CPM candidate are you to sit here and say that you refuse to play matches where you don't win? How can you sit there and be mad because you don't have the advantage. I understand not wanting to play if you are getting beaten to a pulp every single match, but that sounds more like a personal performance issue than a problem with the game.

Point being, you are not making the game any better by being one of those that leaves because you can't pat yourself on the back with a sure win. No one ever wins everything. So what if your free time is limited? Maybe this isn't the game for you and maybe with having such limited time you shouldn't even be running for CPM. How will you deliver to the community as a voice without having the time to dedicate to it?

Let's take a look at this objectively real quick. When I get into a match I look at a few things:

1) Did I get in at the start of the match or am I being thrown in as filler for someone else that already left? (players usually don't leave battles they are winning)
2) How badly are we outnumbered? (this should never be a factor in the start of a match)
3.a) What does the other team look like; are they mostly comprised of squads?
3.b) What does my team look like; are they mostly comprised of academy freshies? (I can't be expected to lead people to victory as a veteran when I have no way of communicating with them)
5) What is the state of the map when I join; are most of the objectives red? (why should I be expected to fight an uphill battle and/or pickup the slack for the rest of my team?)

Truth be told there are some matches that just aren't worth the trouble. There is no incentive to fighting a losing battle except for some e-bushido and kudos. Pub matches are a little different because you still get an ISK reward for it in the end, so you can maybe run BPO suits and come out with a profit but it's probably going to be a grueling experience due to the lack of performance from your gear. Faction Warfare is a completely different story as there is very little incentive to fighting those losing battles - the lack of a matchmaker (note that I don't think this should change) means that a bunch of academy freshies can join in and not have a freaggin clue of what they're doing. I just left a match in which a player was trying to shoot me with a Swarm Launcher.

So when you get into an FW match in which your team is pulled randomly from the que, you're sometimes subject to one-sided fights. But what benefit is there to stay? You get dramatically less LP, no standings gains, and 40% of your ISK loss. With the time you'd spend doing that you'd be better off waiting for another match that might be in your favor, and thusly people leave early. This isn't even touching on the fact that it is just a horrible experience to spend the majority of the match spawning/walking around without getting anything accomplished.

Punishing players for leaving is -NOT- going to solve these problems, it'll just make them turn off the PS3 and go do something else. If I have to throw out a collateral for a battle that I get screwed in, or if I have to sit and wait for a timer to expire before I get into another match, you can bet your ass I'm not going to be playing this game much anymore - I'll go find something better to do. There needs to be more incentive to stick with the battle from beginning to end, more value in actually fighting. Give players a -REASON- to stick around, don't give them -MORE REASONS NOT TO-.

What it comes down to is a simple question: WHY should I stay in the battles I know aren't going to be in my favor?

Instead of trying to fix the match maker (which has had a negative effect if the forums are any clue) maybe we should be looking at what incentives there are to actually staying in a match that is primarily affecting the things that are important to us: Stats, wallets, time, enjoyability, and personal feeling of accomplishment.

Honestly though, what kind of a CPM candidate are you to sit here and say that you refuse to play matches where you don't win? How can you sit there and be mad because you don't have the advantage. I understand not wanting to play if you are getting beaten to a pulp every single match, but that sounds more like a personal performance issue than a problem with the game.

Point being, you are not making the game any better by being one of those that leaves because you can't pat yourself on the back with a sure win. No one ever wins everything. So what if your free time is limited? Maybe this isn't the game for you and maybe with having such limited time you shouldn't even be running for CPM. How will you deliver to the community as a voice without having the time to dedicate to it?

And this is why you should vote Dust User for CPM 2.

This is a sickining attitude.

Whine whine whine leave battle.

Your one of those reason why matches sucks.

Fight to the bitter end thats what we should be doing.

The only good reason to leave battle is when you get disconnected.

.... Why?

That's the question I can't seem to get an answer to.

.... Why?

That's the question I can't seem to get an answer to.

And who is he impressing when he stays and loses anyhow..?

You want a sure win easy money easy time and good old fun dont look for battle look for those.

You want a sure win easy money easy time and good old fun dont look for battle look for those.

You want a sure win easy money easy time and good old fun dont look for battle look for those.

You are making a valid point despite the ad hominem attacks of those that quite simply don't seem to grasp that the concept is more general than specific.

Simply put there is no reason beyond one you give yourself.

I never leave battle because the match is skewed in terms of numbers, skill level or current progress of the match. These are my reasons:
- I enjoy a challenge and get bored quickly by easy games
- Getting kills on or creating trouble for superior opposition is worth a hundredfold more than easy kills, and therefore allows me to achieve personal victories even if my team can't win
- Leaving matches ruins it for everybody, and basically ensures the game will continue to deliver sub-par matchmaking/team balancing

Every single one of the above points is a good enough reason for me to stay in hard matches. Put together, they make it a no-brainer.

Your words are depressing.

Yes, vote Dust User and his 'public history' of honor which is completely vapid.

Tell me, Dust User, how would -you- go about players leaving battle?