DUST Search - Of Course People Are Going to Leave Battle

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Alcina Nektaria wrote:

Your points are well made. However, staying in the match to fight can prove to be fun. I know I've been in terribly losing matches before, but I stayed just for the lols of killing people.

What few realize is that people follow patterns. If you figure out a way to counter those patterns in the long run it will make you a better player. Besides, there is nothing wrong with switching to an Apex or other free suit and just going to town. Go take a dropship somewhere high and start blasting out installations with AV fits or focus on enemy vehicles. Regardless, you are losing out on SP and ISK to be gained by leaving the battle.

Do I care when I get put on a team against a Qsync of 0.H.? No, I stay and fight and try my hardest to get on their level.

That isn't often the case in FW as you get no ISK reward and the LP payouts for losing are sub-optimal unless you're using boosters or have a very high rank. Since you don't get standings for losing... You're likely not going to increase in rank after consistent losses.

In Pubs, yes, absolutely you will get ISK - but not as much as winning it seems and players shouldn't be expected to escalate when they're going ISK negative in doing so. This creates a negative feedback loop in which the losing team, which dies more often, will either have to escalate the gear used and pay out of pocket for it in the end... or start running BPO's and lower their performance. Whereas the winning team can freely escalate (dying less) to high end gear without worrying too much about going ISK negative. They -also- get access to more orbitals due to the higher WP gains from their winning.


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Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 96	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:40:00 - [1] - Quote Your points are well made. However, staying in the match to fight can prove to be fun. I know I've been in terribly losing matches before, but I stayed just for the lols of killing people. What few realize is that people follow patterns. If you figure out a way to counter those patterns in the long run it will make you a better player. Besides, there is nothing wrong with switching to an Apex or other free suit and just going to town. Go take a dropship somewhere high and start blasting out installations with AV fits or focus on enemy vehicles. Regardless, you are losing out on SP and ISK to be gained by leaving the battle. Do I care when I get put on a team against a Qsync of 0.H.? No, I stay and fight and try my hardest to get on their level. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 96	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:13:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: Your points are well made. However, staying in the match to fight can prove to be fun. I know I've been in terribly losing matches before, but I stayed just for the lols of killing people. What few realize is that people follow patterns. If you figure out a way to counter those patterns in the long run it will make you a better player. Besides, there is nothing wrong with switching to an Apex or other free suit and just going to town. Go take a dropship somewhere high and start blasting out installations with AV fits or focus on enemy vehicles. Regardless, you are losing out on SP and ISK to be gained by leaving the battle. Do I care when I get put on a team against a Qsync of 0.H.? No, I stay and fight and try my hardest to get on their level. That isn't often the case in FW as you get no ISK reward and the LP payouts for losing are sub-optimal unless you're using boosters or have a very high rank. Since you don't get standings for losing... You're likely not going to increase in rank after consistent losses. In Pubs, yes, absolutely you will get ISK - but not as much as winning it seems and players shouldn't be expected to escalate when they're going ISK negative in doing so. This creates a negative feedback loop in which the losing team, which dies more often, will either have to escalate the gear used and pay out of pocket for it in the end... or start running BPO's and lower their performance. Whereas the winning team can freely escalate (dying less) to high end gear without worrying too much about going ISK negative. They -also- get access to more orbitals due to the higher WP gains from their winning. Higher WP isn't always the case. You could actually just pull out a rep tool or keep dropping uplinks and gain massive amounts of wp. Yeah that falls under the taboo of "WP Farming" but it's a necessary case where it is acceptable. WP are also the reason squadding up is adventageous, you have the potential to make a ton of WP to drop them obs. Or just find a factional Eve Pilot to drop OBs for you. There's many ways to be productive instead of leaving a battle. And you still get ISK payout for factionals even if you lose. Winning team gets less isk if they don't lose as many suits. You still get, what 20% of your losses? That still applies to using BPOs and cheap suits I believe. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 100	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:36:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: Higher WP isn't always the case. You could actually just pull out a rep tool or keep dropping uplinks and gain massive amounts of wp. Yeah that falls under the taboo of "WP Farming" but it's a necessary case where it is acceptable. WP are also the reason squadding up is adventageous, you have the potential to make a ton of WP to drop them obs. Or just find a factional Eve Pilot to drop OBs for you. There's many ways to be productive instead of leaving a battle. And you still get ISK payout for factionals even if you lose. Winning team gets less isk if they don't lose as many suits. You still get, what 20% of your losses? That still applies to using BPOs and cheap suits I believe. O.o; no, you don't get ISK payout for FW. You get ISK reimbursement of your losses and if we're seriously advocating BPOs and cheap-fits in what is supposed to be a more competitive game mode, we're doing something seriously wrong. Again, what is the incentive to run better gear and go for that win if you're starkly losing? There isn't any, you just downgrade cheaper and cheaper to save ISK and decrease your own performance while the enemy increases their's. This is one of those times I'm seriously considering the plausibility of making Squad-less game modes and meta-level lockouts as a fallback to this sort of behavior. Which is, in and of itself, contrary to the New Eden theme. Then run Proto and get a 20% reimbursement for your loss. Regardless leaving a match because things aren't in your favor is just absurd and you are just contributing to the broken matchmaking. Your team's MCC could be down to 3/4 armor and still turn the game around. Hell, even half armor. It's a matter of approach. Do you want to clone the enemy team if there's no way of getting and holding objectives, or do you want to actually attempt to hold objectives. In reality, the way to combat a team or squad of people is to have one of your own unless you are a super slayer star that there are so few of in this game to begin with. I don't know how many times it has to be reiterated that Dust514 is built on the premise of working together with team-mates. That is essentially one of the many things that sets it apart from other FPS games. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 100	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:03:00 - [4] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: If you honestly expect players to work as a team you need to give them more ways to -ACT- like a team. This means actually being able to form and join squads mid-battle, being able to communicate with your team outside of unreliable voice commands (seriously, Battlefield has us completely trumped on this), and encouraging/incentivizing that behavior. If you want me to lead my team to victory, I'll do it, but it's next to impossible when I can't even communicate with them. Am I supposed to rally my team with tactical shooting of my pistol? I won't keep bashing my head on a wall about how yes it is hard to turn a game around, but it's not impossible..... You say you need more ways to act like a team? Stay in the match then and do just that. Nuff said. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 100	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:10:00 - [5] - Quote Honestly though, what kind of a CPM candidate are you to sit here and say that you refuse to play matches where you don't win? How can you sit there and be mad because you don't have the advantage. I understand not wanting to play if you are getting beaten to a pulp every single match, but that sounds more like a personal performance issue than a problem with the game. Point being, you are not making the game any better by being one of those that leaves because you can't pat yourself on the back with a sure win. No one ever wins everything. So what if your free time is limited? Maybe this isn't the game for you and maybe with having such limited time you shouldn't even be running for CPM. How will you deliver to the community as a voice without having the time to dedicate to it? *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.