I remember you!

Long time no see! :D

Betamax still lives on though its largely just myself and Nattmordur.

what even constitutes a "current legend"? Players with high KD ratios, who buy up all the officer weapons and wont consider running a build thats less than proto?

Still miss chromosome tanks, won't come back until new tanks arrive with no hit dispersion on blasters (if ever) and input lag from TV already hurts my performance on important fights... no issues on on Xbox1 though.

Smite seems decent over here.

I have seen every page of this thread and it's a joke , all you guys are bromancing all day and for what ?

Who's the best in action movies .?. Bruce Lee or the Expendables .?. Bruce Lee could handle 20 guys by himself and The Expendable's are 20 guys .

It's just not the same , everyone that any of you have mentioned , played in a well known corporation and had help , that's not to say that they wasn't great but who dominates the leaderboards .?. players who are in corps , now that doesn't mean that they are the best , it just means that they were advantageous from the help that they received .

I can run in a squad and bring down someone to the end of their existence only to see someone else come and get the kill and I get the assist , now that's teamwork and I'm all for that but that's not a one on one experience and if you have a coordinated team , you won't find yourself in many one on one's to begin with .

It's like asking who's the best heavy in-game , the one with two or three logistic players repairing them or the one that can kill 4 players alone without any reps being applied ? I mean , how hard is it to be successful when you have others around you functioning like a cohesive unit ?

I could never understand discussions like this because you really can't be honest in your opinions .

To me the best players are the one's who play solo and know what to do and be just as functional as those who play in a squad but solo players get zero respect from the community , hell some want to rid the game of the existence of solo players ... I've seen some of the comments from past threads , where you want to force players into squads .

It's a joke .

How can you be considered so " great " , when you have others helping you and I'm not against help , not at all but a lot of you are hypocritical , I use to see people talking crap about Duna 2002 ( Or however it was spelled , sorry .. no offence ) all day , talking about how scrubby he was and how his tank crew use to help him acquire the kills he received but in the same breath your asking this question and these people that are mentioned are being praised as the best of the best , didn't they receive help as well or did they do this on their own .?. most of you ran in squads with those whom your mentioning so the answer is they had to receive help .

Kills mean nothing because someone else can do all the work and you deliver the finishing blow and get the recorded kill , WP's mean nothing , anyone could stay glued to a heavy with a repairer after laying links and hives and if your in a squad , it's much easier to do these things then it is when your solo .

For this game to be a team based game there is so much squad bias in the forums , it's just sickening at times .

I just couldn't take it anymore reading such dreck , now you can go back to your bromance and enjoy yourselves .

A lot of you would be garbage if you didn't have your squad running with you and hell , some of you don't even play unless you have squad mates on .

I don't hate on squads , I just don't like how their made to be more important then the TEAM or a solo player for that matter .

Bruce Lee was the best , he was the squad and the team all in one and had humility as well .

Hmm the best matches ive ever played have been nyan san bushes, but as for your comment on beta players vs the new guys, im gonna have to disagree in the days of old mayb 20ppl had proto suits with weapons to match and they were lacking major core skills if they did, and a starter fit could easily take them out. Skill point cap was so low you had to plan carefully and they were nowhere near as easy to acquire. Boosters use to be a huge deal, imo things are too easily acquired for new players the joy of getting a proto weapon or suit isnt the same when u can earn it in a week or two.

I wrote out a long response...but people have covered it here for the most part.

This thread is illogical.
But if you want a tangent thought I had while writing out my initial thoughts:

with all certainty...there has been a dearth of players good enough skill wise that possessed enough leadership to create corps that could compete with the 'elite' few that have been here for years now.

Imps
TeamPlayers
AE
NS
FA
OH

These are the short list of the corps that have been number one in the game at any given point in history. Maybe i'm missing one, it's 2 am.

If the new 'christmas noobs' are better...where are the leaders of this influx and their respective corps challenging the legacies of those who have been waiting for a new opponent to shift the entrenched politics of this game's only competitive game mode since time immemorial?

Don't tell me that challenging the existing powers can't be done with a new corp of mostly inexperienced players.

I can tell you with surety that it can be done.

If people are so sure that 'christmas noobs' or w/e other euphemism people have for those who came after the OG vets are better...please demonstrate it by rounding up those people and forming a corporation that can compete for elite status in Planetary Conquest.

P.S.

As an OG vet...the breadth and depth of the long forgotten players who beasted this game from Blamejudges KEQ to Djinn Hellsreaper to Baracka to Spongly to Deranged to CSR Sample to The Black Art to Konohomaru to Protoman to Fizzycandy to Traky to Exmaple to Roner...the twins...Zitro's...and ultimately James5955...There's simply no doubt in my mind that this game has..in the aggregate...lost more talent than it's gained.

For EVERY great player that would now be considered among the top in the game and arrived after...1.8 or Rouge Wedding...I could name 10 others from memory who were just as good...having played against most of them over 2 years ago.

Name me 25 players who arrived around 1.8 and would be consensus beasts...and I'll name you 10 OG vets for each name that would get the nod of superiority in a comparison from those who know/knew them both.

Pilots...Logibro's...Slayers...you name it.

wow fam..you don't know James?

And you can't put Regnyum in that current legend list because he's a beta player. He got his stardom and came of age in the beta. Ask Regnyum, which side he'd play on if this match went down.

Guys like Kallente and Arirana...you could probably place in the current legend section because although they were around before, they didn't come of age until much later.

You're kind of coming off as an arrogant little ****.

Aww man, I'm out of popcorn... I guess I'll go make more. You need some, fire?

First off I have a few things to say before I continue, Apocalyptic Destroyer, just cause you don't have anything proper to say you just decide to hate on other peoples posts, man rethink what you say you hateful ____. Another point, all of you racist ______ that hate on Nyain Chan, man eat a fat ____. I ain't Asian but you guys are proper racist, so maybe you should shut your mouths for once, there ain't nothing wrong with being Asian.

Now to the point, a few people have been saying that the Beta "Legends" are the best players that ever played Dust and only a few good players still remain, I will now explain why this statement is wrong. But for you to understand me I need you to be open minded and understand everything I say. So when a Call of Duty game is released you have lots of people get it and play it for a few months and get really good at it, then there is a second wave of players at Christmas, they are called "Christmas Noobs". In the first year Dust got a small but constant amount of new players and since it is a confusing game it took weeks even months for the players to understand it. And what you guys call the Legends were able to kill these guys super easy as they had proto with good skills. If any of these players comes back now, he'll get slapped across the face with all the proto running around.

Yep, a lot of the old school players named here are comparably night and day better in terms of skill with 99% of today's elites.

As an OG PFB myself, being in the same corp I got to squad with and watch folks like Fizzy (Krayshawn) and James put up numbers on a -REGULAR- basis that you only see from maybe Sax with multiple logi support while using officer weapons.

And these guys did it in C-1 assault suits with less than 450 HP, a GEK/ toxin SMG, no Auto Aim, no cloaks, no perma scans, no warbarge damage bonus, no suit bonus, no innate armor reps, and under 10 mil SP; these guys had nothing like what we have today.

And yet 50-60+ kill games happened every day for these guys. 40~ was the match -standard-.

And there I was counter sniping/ AV sniping, happy when I hit above 30.

Lol back then the skill difference was vast between players I'm sure if some of these "legends" came back we would smash their faces in. until we are allowed to have 1v1 tournaments we will never know if that player was good at stomping noobs or if they actually had gun game.

Quite an achievement I think considering the conundrum that I'm paying tribute to other players and not myself.

Lol back then the skill difference was vast between players I'm sure if some of these "legends" came back we would smash their faces in. until we are allowed to have 1v1 tournaments we will never know if that player was good at stomping noobs or if they actually had gun game.

Lol back then the skill difference was vast between players I'm sure if some of these "legends" came back we would smash their faces in. until we are allowed to have 1v1 tournaments we will never know if that player was good at stomping noobs or if they actually had gun game.

^ This, basically.

I mean, not only was there no matchmaking back in those days, but the game was also vastly different from what it is now.

Until these beta legends actually come back, I won't accept that they're leagues above the top players of today.

1. Slap26
2. James
3. Zitro
4. Annie Oakley / Calamity Jane

These are a few closed beta (ish) players that I would stack against any current player. I'm sure that Kalente and Zaria, and Ari would compete and it would be a good battle. They might even win. But these four are some people who were just unreal.

Yep, a lot of the old school players named here are comparably night and day better in terms of skill with 99% of today's elites.

As an OG PFB myself, being in the same corp I got to squad with and watch folks like Fizzy (Krayshawn) and James put up numbers on a -REGULAR- basis that you only see from maybe Sax with multiple logi support while using officer weapons.

And these guys did it in C-1 assault suits with less than 450 HP, a GEK/ toxin SMG, no Auto Aim, no cloaks, no perma scans, no warbarge damage bonus, no suit bonus, no innate armor reps, and under 10 mil SP; these guys had nothing like what we have today.

And yet 50-60+ kill games happened every day for these guys. 40~ was the match -standard-.

And there I was counter sniping/ AV sniping, happy when I hit above 30.