The thing about games that have lower playercounts than mainstream games is that the community is smaller, most people know each other and the people who are seem as top competition get to know each other and run into each other often... This means that anyone who claims to be good because of pubstomping will not last long before facing someone who DOES have a good gun game then that match will show that they are not good. Especially if people are highly competitive about it like I remember in chromosome, then you have a bad game and everyone there recognizes it; especially the opposing good players who know you have a reputation.

Long story short... The bad players who claim to be good are weeded out by getting stomped by other good players.

I said this back then and still say it now, pubstomping means little to nothing. Competitive matches are where skill is shown. Getting high kill games can be achieved just by being above average and playing enough, eventually you will encounter the perfect circumstance: your random team sucks, the other random team sucks even more but are invested enough to keep pushing instead of rage quitting or sitting back behind their red line.

You put a pub stomper in a match against other competition and they don't know what to do or how to react. In competitive matches your hunting prey that knows better than randoms, they think ahead, move together, cover each other, actually use spots that give good vantage points and cover, the list can go on and on. That's why most people who are known as being good back then, are known for doing well in corporation battles against other good groups. Hard to fake being good at that point.

As for who would be better... I could care less, but honestly we also didn't just run around in proto suits all the time. Actually played a lot of games where I got STUPID amounts of isk from running near basic suits against bad players splurging in protos so they can compete (think I remember getting over 1 mil isk without blowing up tanks in one lol, idk how that translates in todays Dust). So.. it's funny to see people claim that it's all proto stomping. Though you technically could run protosuits as long as you could do really well and only die once or twice a match.

Someone said I used to ring with protoman xD Nope never happened, the closest thing that happened was joining his group around the time I decided to quit Dust because I wanted to stay competitive after PFB had it's internal issues and shortly after lost interest after a patch hit that ruined most things I liked and put in aim assist. Whichever one that was.

I can understand people not appreciating being told that they aren't better than someone who doesn't play anymore. I didn't play Dust has much as most good people, same as I treated MAG, kind of quit 4 times and took month long breaks and eventually got bored and came back. Not into games enough to keep my attention span on it, especially when CCP kept changing things for the worst.

For someone who has been around aslong as i have, i know where you're coming from. the one person i remember was 13ear.
He ran boosters 24/7 so he had proto before most of the playerbase. bit once the playerbase caught up, he realised he actually sucked and left.

When i was in my Cal scout i had about 7 pure 1v1's with him and they would last about a minute, he was in a cal assault. They where probably the best 1v1's ive had cos we thought so alike.

Beta vets have to be adaptable because of all of the updates, this means they are very good at everything, whereas newer 'Legends' are usually 1 playstyle.

I used to be a Tanker so i wasnt really recognised tbh. VAYU Enforcer Pilot 4 Life!

Exactly what he said, New legends tend to stick with one fit and dont have as broad of a playing strategy where as older vets/legends are seen in every fit playing all styles, types and strategies.

Aside from the obvious experience advantage vets also had more sp and gear than other players... I don't think they would get those same results during this era of dust. we have respecs and we have the same **** they do just because they have been around longer doesn't mean they are "better" it simply means they had more advantages. also I've heard so many stories of horrendously over powered gear during their era that anyone who didn't know what was going on would be outgunned and out geared. This game is a lot more balanced so choose your weapon and come get your ass handed to you by the new age dusters....

I am not a beta vet I came late at the end of 1.8 but I have come across some "legends" and have given them ass whoopins heck I even went 30/1 vs the "melee legend" Romulus with melee! so no you "legends" aren't **** in my opinion you were just here when there was a plethora of noobs to stomp with no match making and no weapon balance congrats come back to dust and watch as your ratio plummets lmfao

I am not a beta vet I came late at the end of 1.8 but I have come across some "legends" and have given them ass whoopins heck I even went 30/1 vs the "melee legend" Romulus with melee! so no you "legends" aren't **** in my opinion you were just here when there was a plethora of noobs to stomp with no match making and no weapon balance congrats come back to dust and watch as your ratio plummets lmfao

Aside from the obvious experience advantage vets also had more sp and gear than other players... I don't think they would get those same results during this era of dust. we have respecs and we have the same **** they do just because they have been around longer doesn't mean they are "better" it simply means they had more advantages. also I've heard so many stories of horrendously over powered gear during their era that anyone who didn't know what was going on would be outgunned and out geared. This game is a lot more balanced so choose your weapon and come get your ass handed to you by the new age dusters....

I am not a beta vet I came late at the end of 1.8 but I have come across some "legends" and have given them ass whoopins heck I even went 30/1 vs the "melee legend" Romulus with melee! so no you "legends" aren't **** in my opinion you were just here when there was a plethora of noobs to stomp with no match making and no weapon balance congrats come back to dust and watch as your ratio plummets lmfao

You expect beta vets to believe that this game suddenly has no noobs in it to farm? That it's actually balanced now? Funny, first page of the forums (and friends of mine that still play) show that people believe otherwise. You can't expect old beta players to come back to a dead game just to prove that they were good at it lol.

I've seen this play out on 3-4 games before this one. The game releases, it's in it's prime, highest playercounts, people get competitive and have clan vs clan battles. People build reps for being good at it, they eventually get bored or fed up of the game and leave. A year or two later all of a sudden those who couldn't compete at the time can now start to rise up because of the lack of competition, grow and ego and challenge those who have already moved on and try to belittle their reputations.

Honestly, you just seem salty to me. If you want to go prove something to them then go play planetside 2 where a decent amount of them are and hunt them down lol.

And... who's Romulus? You do well against a "legend" (a melee one at that? that's a thing?) and suddenly you're a top dog?

Yeah okay, same song and dance, same old crap as the last couple of games. Enjoy playing at the bottom of the toilet bowl.

I just had to reply because your post seemed so ridiculous lol, acting like Dust is all of a sudden full of so much skill. Now back to Dragon Age.

Romulus is a melee legend because he owned people with it before it was cool to run myofibs,something that nobody used , back when you probably only had starter fits.
Because you chase the fotm , you will never be a legend.

So long cousin.

You expect beta vets to believe that this game suddenly has no noobs in it to farm? That it's actually balanced now? Funny, first page of the forums (and friends of mine that still play) show that people believe otherwise. You can't expect old beta players to come back to a dead game just to prove that they were good at it lol.

I've seen this play out on 3-4 games before this one. The game releases, it's in it's prime, highest playercounts, people get competitive and have clan vs clan battles. People build reps for being good at it, they eventually get bored or fed up of the game and leave. A year or two later all of a sudden those who couldn't compete at the time can now start to rise up because of the lack of competition, grow and ego and challenge those who have already moved on and try to belittle their reputations.

Honestly, you just seem salty to me. If you want to go prove something to them then go play planetside 2 where a decent amount of them are and hunt them down lol.

And... who's Romulus? You do well against a "legend" (a melee one at that? that's a thing?) and suddenly you're a top dog?

Yeah okay, same song and dance, same old crap as the last couple of games. Enjoy playing at the bottom of the toilet bowl.

I just had to reply because your post seemed so ridiculous lol, acting like Dust is all of a sudden full of so much skill. Now back to Dragon Age.

To be fair to Gucci, he was using the Amarr Assault before it was FOTM.

First off, it's hardly about me. Hell, you have no idea how many times I've TOLD people that I wasn't that good. People just boost my ego because they believe it, so don't get pissy with me because others think I'm good. When you make the idiotic assumption that any "legend" that would come back and play would get beat by "new age dusters" you aren't just insulting me; but a lot of people I have respect for, friends and old foes. That's why I say something, go ahead and try and tarnish my reputation and have fun, I don't care.

Keep on making excuses as to why everyone else was good, acting like everyone before you was bad. I already earned my stripes in the competitive matches I played. Pubs are irrelevant.

5/18 against randoms? Hell, went against IMP in a corp vs corp when they were like 2 months into having a flawless record and pulled a 2.0 or very close to it against them and we caused them their first loss. Good luck convincing me or anyone else that randoms in Dust are going to give me a harder time than Reg, Proto, both zitros, san and Two while being sandwiched constantly by 2 proto tanks lol. TTK, SP, no aim assist, all things that don't matter at all when playing against people who have the same tier gear and are good FPS players. Like I said, I already earned my stripes on multiple occasions, and in games before Dust. If I try and brag about a pub match then w/e, you can say everyone around me sucked and I would agree. However, if you try to tell me that protoman and reg are bad they you're clearly delusional.

I'm not the one who feels the need to compare myself to others, or act like I'm great. If you ask anyone I play with I'm one of the most humble people you'll meet because I've left competitive gaming years ago, it's all for the fun now.

*sigh* we have come to the same conclusion, you say you do not care about a game you have apparently mastered yet here you are still typing up paragraphs trying to convince everyone that you don't care. True lmao I don't know if you know this but you are contradicting yourself. Completely disregarding the context and saying you are the best no matter what changes have been made to this game just makes you look even more like a fool lmao. like I said this isn't the same game you were running around stomping noobs who didn't have auto aim, long range weaponry and scans.(combine these three and any noob can kill a vet) this is a whole new ball park so please come through get perma scanned and stomped then post about how great you used to be lmao

The only reason that I'm replying is simply because you've been claiming things that aren't true. Like me apparently saying I'm the best. I haven't said that, you're just seeing what you want to see. Please show me where I've claimed to be the best? I've simply stated that I've earned my stripes and provided one occasion. You're simply putting words into my mouth, and I'm the fool?

Yeah okay sure bud. Work on your reading comprehension before trying to go back and fourth with someone on the forums, please.

*last words, #FeelsSoSalty*

This is like a senior home reunion. Alot of wheelchairs, oxygen tanks and ben-gay.

just my take but...

while Arirana wasn't a Djinn Hellsreaper or Kalante or Kono game changing cornerstone...but he was on AE's team and he was on my radar as a great player even in beta.

Kalante was a well known beast in beta with Unreal.

Was he not considered Hellstorm a-team going into PC?

Reg and Dia were superstars long before Uprising ever dropped.

Reg has been the face of Dust's skilled players since he posted his strafing video and his hilariously comical war room propaganda posts for Imps/TP

Reg is literally the answer to the theoretical question: "Say the first thing that pops into your head...best dust player"

Only the OG vets who really know wtfcuk we're talking about remember James5955. It's just been the last year where the dust community has begun to heal from the emotional scars Protoman inflicted before he hung up his controller.

Think of the best KDR in the game you can think of that's not sitting in a vehicle or sniping...Reg had a KDR of 21.87...Protoman a 22.46

And this was in beta when no one had a protosuit until the nerds in Imps finally started obtaining their first one in late april (and really <150 or so people had protosuits before Uprising hit and the SP refunds)

Tibs is the only name on that list that is remotely close to applicable imo...and Tibs was a well known beast about 4 months after Uprising...and he was a beta vet. Tibs had obtained widespread notoriety maybe 2 months after Arirana lit the world up with his '10,000 fists in the air' routine.

Anything pre december...that's like the 2nd wave of OG. (maybe they are just 'og' not 'OG' )

At this point I consider all players like Roner or CatDog og.

yeah yeah thats right baby

lol doing inner clan scrims is always fun, makes for good stories. The many fond memories of Laz and his LAVs. It's fun to recall the good times had on this game. Been playing casually on PS2 with some of the old group which has been fun, and seeing a few familiar names from MAG/Dust. Kind of got into it for a little bit but got quickly uninterested, kind of feels like either too much of a cluster **** or too boring ghost capping, good even battles being too far and inbetween. Really digging the looks of rainbow six siege though. Many of our guys seem to be looking at battlefront but the fact that EA is involved has me in doubt, but worth a shot.

I appreciate shout outs and all but seems it's spreading some jellyness. Just felt like explaining that bit because I've watched it happen in so many other lower playercount games. MAG was a pubstomp fest but the community was still able to recognize who were good and who were the "pubstars". It just seems like a natural thing that happens in all lower count games.

Slap and myself are getting Battlefront. I am also going to jump into the Metal Gear waters with Shade and Laz although, I suspect I will be a complete noob since I have never played a Metal Gear. However, Planetside 2, while still fun at times, is becoming more of a chore. There are so few of us on NC that have a clue. Yesterday, was like pulling teeth. Atlas and myself, can not defend a base with just the two of us and a bunch of blueberries while being attacked by 60 freaking purple dildos at once.

As for me, I will always be a lucky prick riding the coattails of my more talented comrades. PFBHz and Vot only keep me around for my entertaining perspectives on life.

Tomorrow YO!

Metal Gear's gonna be the ****, gonna be streaming it for sure!

hurry up and get a ps4, laz misses your concerts and MLP Friendship is magic quotes

Aside from the obvious experience advantage vets also had more sp and gear than other players... I don't think they would get those same results during this era of dust. we have respecs and we have the same **** they do just because they have been around longer doesn't mean they are "better" it simply means they had more advantages. also I've heard so many stories of horrendously over powered gear during their era that anyone who didn't know what was going on would be outgunned and out geared. This game is a lot more balanced so choose your weapon and come get your ass handed to you by the new age dusters....

I am not a beta vet I came late at the end of 1.8 but I have come across some "legends" and have given them ass whoopins heck I even went 30/1 vs the "melee legend" Romulus with melee! so no you "legends" aren't **** in my opinion you were just here when there was a plethora of noobs to stomp with no match making and no weapon balance congrats come back to dust and watch as your ratio plummets lmfao

Please don't ever call me a legend either.. or bring up my name in these garbage threads.


Thank you.