I can't really understand what your point is.

Personally, I don't like logi's who do nothing but carry around a rep tool the entire game, because I think they are pussies, but that's really the only reason that I don't like them. Somewhere in this mess of a post it seems like you are blaming them for the loss of an entire team, and that just isn't true.

He essentially watch people die while milking their bodies for points?!
Now I know a lot of logis will somehow justify how he was helping, but seriously in this battle everyone he was repping died tons!

What about that reptool is so isk producing? How come the actual fighters don't get paid more for actually winning the fight?

I always argue that the needle is more tactically beneficial than the rep tool, and logis argue that the rep tool is worth more "for keeping guys up"?! No it's not?! I kill heavy/logi tandems all the time!

This, to me, has bred a group of players more concerned with their own personal wallets than winning the battle?

Essentially the match was a loss for me

I will use a rep tool occasionally when I logi. It is "better money" to use a basic/standard one than a proto because the longer you rep, the more WP you get.

If they want to fix rep tools, just change the WP they give based on the equipment

Proto: 25
Adv: 15
Std/Mlt: 5

See if more people don't break out proto rep tools if they want to rep. They will repair faster so less WP gained per and there is an excuse to do something OTHER than just rep the whole time and milk points off teammates.

Tell me what any guy repping the entire match on dying mercs did to deserve 750k?

Incorrect. The rate of triage WP gain is based on the amount of armor repaired, not the amount of time repairing.

So you're the kid who got presents too when it was your sibling's birthday party huh?

Rep tools generate way too much WP, that I agree with. My record is 1,119,000 ISK in a public Skirmish.

Otherwise, your unveiled bias and lack of understanding is not proving anything. It's easy to say "they just hold R1 the whole match", but do tell what slayers do. That's right, I could say the same thing.

There's a lot of positioning and awareness that goes into healing allies that are under fire. You have to work around their movements and not get in their way. There's a considerable amount of thought that goes into being a logi, just like being a slayer.

And for the record; I fight just like everyone else and pull out the rep tool whenever someone needs it. That's what logis should be.

^ this
Spoil't

Really? Oh, well hell, good to know. I just see the +25's rolling in. I never took the time to figure out what they were coming from. Thanks for the clarificatino Sarge!

Slayers just hold R1....? Seriously?

Unveiled bias is funny since I am a logo lol! Ask anyone who has fought me in PC what I'm likely to be running mostly. The fit I run in my tank is a logi.

You guys give "reppers" the credit "logies" deserve smh?!

Nope. The guys who remain locked-on to allies endlessly even when their HP is full are what we call "tourist logis". They're the guys who do it for the broken amount of WP that triage gives, not because they actually want to be a support unit.

Yes. You tried to dumb down the other side to further your own argument. I'm throwing it back at you to show you how illogical it is.


That's not being a logi. That's hopping out to drop links or a scan, then doing tank stuff, correct?


Nope. The guys who remain locked-on to allies endlessly even when their HP is full are what we call "tourist logis". They're the guys who do it for the broken amount of WP that triage gives, not because they actually want to be a support unit.

To be fair it's a valid tactic in a tight defensive location when you know dmg will be incoming. You don't want to run around the map attached to some guys back but it has it's uses. You can hide out of the line of fire while giving that heavy/assault an extra second or two of life. 60-100ish HP per sec will make a huge difference. But it has to be done before the person is hurt. If you wait till they are already getting shot then it's to late. Their dead before you switched to your rep tool and locked on to them. Never mind how hard it is to lock on to target in a crowded area with people always stepping in the way. It's easier to stay locked on to your squad mate most of the time.

As a purely out of combat tool the rep tool is kind of lame. Most people barely have enough armor to give you one tick of the WP, nor do they even need it. If you have less than 400 armor you'll repair on your own in under 30 seconds most of the time. Which means if the logi is not already there, your good on your own by the time they move over to you. Which again if you remove pro active healing from logi's you might as well not have a rep tool and just go with other equipment. You can go the whole match without some one being noticeably hurt.

In many fights you can just carry a needle and forget the rep tool if your honest. A lot of suits like scouts have nothing between alive and dead so the rep tool barely helps.

So what I'm doing is flawed, but "tourist logis" get the pass of the century lol! About to go hold R1, and get these kills in my logi lol!

Incorrect. The rate of triage WP gain is based on the amount of armor repaired, not the amount of time repairing.

Only 7,050 isk,

That's less than the price of an advanced gun!

So, people. Please. Next time you complete a daily mission for an isk reward, buy a few dozen Wiyrkomi injectors, and replace the sharpened bit of PVC pipe you call a militia needle with them.

Another popular logi misconception, building on this: many think that stabbing someone with a **** 30% needle for 30wp and repping is worth the most points... except no

**** that noise. Most suits when revived at 30% might give 2, maybe 3 hits of triage points, time a bad logi is probably wasting with a crap basic rep tool (for "more" points!). If the downed friendly is a scout, caldari, or militia, good luck even getting one triage reward. So for all that wrangling with different tools, the logi gets 30WP revive and +25-50WP repair.

Meanwhile, a proto needle will give you a guaranteed +90WP every time, even if you revive a militia caldari light. You don't have to **** around with a repair tool, he's ready for action right away. Most suits will regenerate that last 20% before seeing another enemy, a sentinel picked up in the heat of combat with a proto needle is ready to **** up everything threatening you like an angry grizzly bear waking from hibernation.

Surely something so awesome must cost 30k isk?

Nope

For only 7,050 isk, you too can be surrounded by cool people in proto suits who want you to plunge your thick black pro needle into their prone forms

That's less than the price of an advanced gun!

So, people. Please. Next time you complete a daily mission for an isk reward, buy a few dozen Wiyrkomi injectors, and replace the sharpened bit of PVC pipe you call a militia needle with them. Everyone will thank you.



Or at least some KIN-012s ffs, they give 60wp, barely take any more fitting resources than militia, and I KNOW you have dozens sitting there in your inventory from strongbox drops, ones that don't even require skill level 3

ready to **** up everything threatening you like an angry grizzly bear waking from hibernation.

Only 7,050 isk,

That's less than the price of an advanced gun!

So, people. Please. Next time you complete a daily mission for an isk reward, buy a few dozen Wiyrkomi injectors, and replace the sharpened bit of PVC pipe you call a militia needle with them.

Maybe we rep because we don't have a gun game.
Maybe we rep because we WANT our squad to have ammo, links that aren't 15 second timers, or a proto scanner to keep them aware.
Maybe Im thankful I get that payout when I die 10 times in a suit carrying proto scan, hives, links and my favorite FW repper.
Sprinting around in a scout suit sounds fun.
Shooting the Jump fit Officer MD fits sounds fun too,

I cannot.
I die.
I come back and still help my squad however I can and that huge payout SOMETIMES helps me break even.

Ill work on that running away (not getting shot) thing, but I cant leave my squad behind.
Have fun with your tanks.

Half rep wp payment, buff other equipment payouts to encourage diversity. Done.

I want to respond to this in a constructive way.

to agree with you on some points, and show you the error of your ways in others, but unfortunately for you, you seem to have a vendetta.

Regardless, I am here to say a few simple things;

First - All self-respecting logis mid game should have a needle on their suit. its how it is, needles are arguably the most important piece of equipment you can carry, so do so.

Second - Rep Tool, love it, hate it, it has a purpose - to prepare your team for an assault, and to keep them alive through it. There is a reason it gives so much points - because it works. imagine that, something that helps the the team, and gives them the chance to survive against heavier fire power gives out a ton of points. hmm wonder why -_-.

Third, and Final - So what are you complaining about exactly? Because all I read was a bunch of tears on the fact that you only got 400k isk, and a guy you were running with got 700k. Are you jealous? Is that what this is about? virtual currency that has no effect on the real world? Really? Man grow a pair, and have fun once in a while, don't complain on how some one who used a piece of equipment rather than a gun got more WP than you.

Sned T. Dead.



Post Script - also a good logi knows when to shoot, and if you don't, its before your buddy dies. shoot first, rep after. It just makes sense. And if you do not carry a needle, for shame, for shame.

I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!

I agreed with you at first about someone who was only going logi to make bank being detrimental to the team. But then you started whining and saying things should be done based entirely off your opinion. Like removing the rep tool. And you know very ******* well that, in the army, if they had some sort of tool that could heal their soldiers as they were getting shot they would use the f*ck out of it, and there would be several dedicated healers in every troupe. Don't give us this bull **** about how in the army you guys do it differently than a futuristic sci-fi game does. Of course you f*cking do. You don't have nearly the same capabilities as this imaginary future army does.

Go stick a needle up your ass if you want one so bad, and don't compare video game logistics priorities to actual people who actually get hurt and actually die.