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Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.17 23:39:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:He essentially watch people die while milking their bodies for points?!
Now I know a lot of logis will somehow justify how he was helping, but seriously in this battle everyone he was repping died tons!
Because they could get back into battle quicker? You don't understand the value of a rep tool and I weep for you. Go play 100 games of trying to win through logi and you might start to understand.
Bradric Banewolf wrote:What about that reptool is so isk producing? How come the actual fighters don't get paid more for actually winning the fight?
Action is inherently more gratifying than logistics. High WP return is both a reward and a reflection, of the fact that you act as a force multiplier, and how well you performed said role. The fact that you think killers are the only thing that win the game shows that you have no appreciation for how a team wins a game.
Which team do you think is more likely to win:
- The team made up of 16 assaults and heavies all competing for kills, constantly running out of ammo and grenades, waiting 30s for their HP to regen, and with 15s spawn timers at uplinks that're practically in the redline
- The team with a proper tanker+repper combo playing point defense somewhere important, scouts running around the back lines picking off stragglers and uplinks, assaults to keep back the horde, and logi to ensurse speedy reinforcements and keep their teams ammo and HP topped up.
Bradric Banewolf wrote:I always argue that the needle is more tactically beneficial than the rep tool, and logis argue that the rep tool is worth more "for keeping guys up"?! No it's not?! I kill heavy/logi tandems all the time!
Being alone with 3+ plates and a compact nanohive... you appreciate start to appreciate just how much time a rep tool saves you. All the different kinds of equipment have a use, all of them are useful to run, especially on a logi, depending on the situation.
I can understand why you think a rep tool isn't useful. I prefer to run a needle or a nanohive on my assault suits, pretty much the only equipment I wouldn't consider is a rep tool: having a rep out means not being able to shoot; repping involves switching your mindset from hunter-killer to hide-and-cower; in a combat suit you're tankier and closer to the front line where all the corpses are; and mostly trying to play both the logistics and combat games at once splits your attention, making you about -¡-+ as effective at either
Bradric Banewolf wrote:This, to me, has bred a group of players more concerned with their own personal wallets than winning the battle?
I could say the same thing about people more concerned about their KD than winning the battle. But seriously, that statement is equivalent to "Other people should waste their money so that I can feel like I've won, because my enjoyment is more important than theirs". Srsly. I'm as self-centered as you are, I get it, but please stop shitting on other people just because you lost. It's unattractive.
Bradric Banewolf wrote:Essentially the match was a loss for me
Because you ran a ******* Prototype Tank. You've got nobody to blame but yourself for losing the isk war.
TL;DR Most kills doesn't automatically make you MVP
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Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.18 01:16:00 -
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Compact hives do at least rep you up to full before popping, which is nice
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Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.18 01:49:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Only 7,050 isk,
That's less than the price of an advanced gun!
So, people. Please. Next time you complete a daily mission for an isk reward, buy a few dozen Wiyrkomi injectors, and replace the sharpened bit of PVC pipe you call a militia needle with them.
- Isk efficiency doesn't work that way
- That pushes the cost of suits well above what I'm comfortable losing
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Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.18 04:51:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!
- Implying that a good assault is more important than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault does more work than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault has more impact on the outcome than a good logi
- implying that a good assault deserves better rewards than a good logi
- Implying that logi is not a force multiplier
- Implying that your K:D is more important than keeping your team effective
Do you see why people might be taking issue with that fact that you think n+1 > 2n ?
Is sticking your rep tool up the arse of a good heavy ludicrously easy? Sure
Does it always help your team? Not necessarily
Can it help your team a great deal, and do you get more WP when it does? You bet your Paridae
Is just this enough reason to change the WP gain of reps? No. Stop whining.
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Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.18 09:56:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Veg Hegirin wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!
- Implying that a good assault is more important than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault does more work than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault has more impact on the outcome than a good logi
- implying that a good assault deserves better rewards than a good logi
- Implying that logi is not a force multiplier
- Implying that your K:D is more important than keeping your team effective
Do you see why people might be taking issue with that fact that you think n+1 > 2n ? Is sticking your rep tool up the arse of a good heavy ludicrously easy? Sure Does it always help your team? Not necessarily Can it help your team a great deal, and do you get more WP when it does? You bet your Paridae Is just this enough reason to change the WP gain of reps? No. Stop whining. The entire basis of your rebuttal is based on the fact that you assume he is talking about a good logi vs a rep hooker. Not. The. Same.
No, at most half my rebuttal is about rep-up-the-arse logi, which incidentally is what he is trying to reduce his friends logi efforts to:
Bradric Banewolf wrote:Now I know a lot of logis will somehow justify how he was helping, but seriously in this battle everyone he was repping died tons!
The first half of my argument is about good logi, and the fact that, frankly, they get more WP because they contribute more.
He is literally saying that, being equally skilled and contributing, a slayer should get more WP than a logi which is whiny entitled bullshit.
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