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Bradric Banewolf wrote:

No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:

I agreed with you at first about someone who was only going logi to make bank being detrimental to the team. But then you started whining and saying things should be done based entirely off your opinion. Like removing the rep tool. And you know very ******* well that, in the army, if they had some sort of tool that could heal their soldiers as they were getting shot they would use the f*ck out of it, and there would be several dedicated healers in every troupe. Don't give us this bull **** about how in the army you guys do it differently than a futuristic sci-fi game does. Of course you f*cking do. You don't have nearly the same capabilities as this imaginary future army does.

Go stick a needle up your ass if you want one so bad, and don't compare video game logistics priorities to actual people who actually get hurt and actually die.

My reference to military tactics was to point out that, under no circumstance, will a soldier perform buddy aid while under fire! What he will do is pull his buddy to safely quickly (pick him up) if possible, ask him to perform self aid if he is capable (self reps), and help him after the firefight!

As much as we like to seperate game from reality when it is convenient, the fact that tactics on a tactical shooter video game are remarkably similar!

The fact that one prefers watching you take dmg while they make points like the slots, over helping you engage targets is the problem. How many matches do you see where some logi on the enemy team gets 4000+ wp on a loss at the top of the leaderboard with no kills? Then this far sack gets more isk payout over the guys who were actually trying to win?

Yeah, even on a video game that backwards.

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Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:41:00 - [1] - Quote So, I start a pub match off in my scout sprinting like a bat out of hades to give my team a edge.... hack 1 and rush to enemy point.... die, after killing 2. Cool now we got 2 out of 4 points, fight on! So now I step into defense of blue objective in an assault! 4 kills in, and the zerg comes?! No worries! I got that zerg fix! Now at this point there's 6 enemy on a blinking home point, two shield tanks roving, and a dropship?! Enter Madruger Gv.0! I rush the first shield tank, one hardener and heat sink on, and boom! Start deterring troops from friendly point, and two friendlies spawn in tank guns blazing as they jump out! We retake the point, and here comes another shield tank! We battle it out, and I win, barely, and retreat to the red line burning?! I recover mods and health, only to see 3 more tanks on the field. I ask for assistance on the tanks, and my buddy screams "I'm down at B, AV on the way bro!" We roll up, after he spawns in the tank, and bang 2 of 3 tanks with turrets! Third tank gets me as we bail out?! I jump out gal logi dropping links, scans, and shooting, and my buddy gets the tank in a dying effort with swarms! As the match winds down we win by clones and 2 ticks on mcc! Great match, and well fought on both sides! We start talking about payouts, and reveling in the battle.... a small voice whispers.... 749,000 isk whoo hoo! Wow bro what were you doing? Logi! He was repping the entire match! He went 0/15, no assist, and 6500+ war points for a payout of 750k! What in the actual **** CCP! He essentially watch people die while milking their bodies for points?! Now I know a lot of logis will somehow justify how he was helping, but seriously in this battle everyone he was repping died tons! I heard him say he didn't have a needle, only rep tool, ammo, and links. He didn't pick up anyone in that case and setup, which would've been much more viable. We were down to 22 clones so yes, needle please! I manage to blow up 4 tanks, go 17/14/10, and dropped links, scans, and used a needle for a total of 473k??? What about that reptool is so isk producing? How come the actual fighters don't get paid more for actually winning the fight? This, to me, has bred a group of players more concerned with their own personal wallets than winning the battle?! If they win they get paid, and if they lose they still get paid.... and in most cases more than some of the winning members?! I always argue that the needle is more tactically beneficial than the rep tool, and logis argue that the rep tool is worth more "for keeping guys up"?! No it's not?! I kill heavy/logi tandems all the time! So they usually put more than one reptool on one heavy?! I see 3 sometimes 4 logis repping multiple heavies. This is part of the problem, I believe, as to why so many fights end up in red line stomps before the losing team loses shield on the mcc. So many players are just counting their wallets, and saying "nope, it's a loss". It's worth more to them to lose, and not die, than to push to win. Essentially the match was a loss for me, and my logi "friend" made bank?! On my upgrades skill tree section I have literally everything but shields and reptool. I'm Gallente everything so no shields right now. We can debate that later. I find it more useful for me, as a gal logi, to finish targets first then apply buddy aid with a needle.... ya know, like we do in the army shrugs common sense and all. Now the glitchy issues with reviving players with a needle needs to be looked at so the tool is more desirable. The bonus points for using better needles is nice, but is no comparison to the point whring capabilities of the the reptool. I would move for complete removal of the reptool, but you know this community and their crutches. As it stands the cal sentinel, and all caldari, need no reptool. My favorite kind of sentinel! If he falls pick him up with the 80% needle, and that's a fresh heavy again. The caldari got this right! Sense it won't be removed, which would give CCP more room for stuff we actually need, can we curtail the amount of isk you receive for essentially waiting for the match to be over and holding R1?? A fighter humbly ask for consideration so the fight in dust can come back to the pubs. Also, the next logi I catch repping my gal scout for points when I only have 200+ armor, I'll kill you myself! Shoot something you ****! Your faster than an assault, with more tank than a scout, and 4 equipment slots! Come on man! Curious to hear from actual logis (who fight and use equipment) and fighters! Also, to other roles on the field, how do you feel? https://youtu.be/CK5iYkTGJZs Good video of logis at work! https://youtu.be/OAA60D8g_28 Aother great video of a true logi at work, and this was before the buff! o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 896	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:45:00 - [2] - Quote So you're the kid who got presents too when it was your sibling's birthday party huh? Saying what's on people's minds
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:52:00 - [3] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: So you're the kid who got presents too when it was your sibling's birthday party huh? Defuse my argument, or move on. Usually when most mercs have no argument they instead make light of the issue in hopes that no one notices the problem. Tell me what any guy repping the entire match on dying mercy did o deserve 750k? Not you, but the merc in the match above? "Anybody order chaos?"
Golden Day Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:08:00 - [4] - Quote I'm pretty sure the 6500+ WP and the win helped out in his payout..... Im just a glorified blueberry
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:13:00 - [5] - Quote Golden Day wrote: I'm pretty sure the 6500+ WP and the win helped out in his payout..... His squad dropped one OB, and he missed...... "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:14:00 - [6] - Quote Anyone not scared to **** off logis? "Anybody order chaos?"
Vitharr Foebane 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:20:00 - [7] - Quote you wanna know why most logis dont pack needles anymore? KD whores(like yourself im sure) whined and whined and whined that logis were ruining their precious KD and made it so you cant pick someone up unless they ask for it. By the way next to noone requests a revive. Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V My faith is in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:24:00 - [8] - Quote I can't really understand what your point is. Personally, I don't like logi's who do nothing but carry around a rep tool the entire game, because I think they are pussies, but that's really the only reason that I don't like them. Somewhere in this mess of a post it seems like you are blaming them for the loss of an entire team, and that just isn't true. SP Sinks? Fixed.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 307	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:25:00 - [9] - Quote I agreed with you at first about someone who was only going logi to make bank being detrimental to the team. But then you started whining and saying things should be done based entirely off your opinion. Like removing the rep tool. And you know very ******* well that, in the army, if they had some sort of tool that could heal their soldiers as they were getting shot they would use the fck* out of it, and there would be several dedicated healers in every troupe. Don't give us this bull **** about how in the army you guys do it differently than a futuristic sci-fi game does. Of course you f*cking do. You don't have nearly the same capabilities as this imaginary future army does. Go stick a needle up your ass if you want one so bad, and don't compare video game logistics priorities to actual people who actually get hurt and actually die.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:47:00 - [10] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I agreed with you at first about someone who was only going logi to make bank being detrimental to the team. But then you started whining and saying things should be done based entirely off your opinion. Like removing the rep tool. And you know very ******* well that, in the army, if they had some sort of tool that could heal their soldiers as they were getting shot they would use the fck* out of it, and there would be several dedicated healers in every troupe. Don't give us this bull **** about how in the army you guys do it differently than a futuristic sci-fi game does. Of course you fcking do. You don't have nearly the same capabilities as this imaginary future army does. Go stick a needle up your ass if you want one so bad, and don't compare video game logistics priorities to actual people who actually get hurt and actually die. This escalated quickly Official CPM Platform*

Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 965	Posted - 2015.07.17 20:12:00 - [11] - Quote Repping gives you 25wp. It should be 15. Maybe 10. If not enough, I'm ok with 5. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0/Rattati and Scotsman GK.0 OFF/EXP GEAR
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 901	Posted - 2015.07.17 20:19:00 - [12] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: So you're the kid who got presents too when it was your sibling's birthday party huh? Defuse my argument, or move on. Usually when most mercs have no argument they instead make light of the issue in hopes that no one notices the problem. Tell me what any guy repping the entire match on dying mercs did to deserve 750k? Not you, but the merc in the match above? Dude. Its not that serious. Your argument is silly. You asking why the most defenseless mercenary on the field, putting his life on the line supporting the team, is getting more money than others who are not. The argument is childish dude. Saying what's on people's minds
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 20:24:00 - [13] - Quote 0-15 isnt really helping, but based on the current payout system 6500 wp is how you get paid. I still feel that rep tools, while already having a wp threshold, should also have a capacitor or overheat function to prevent spam, as well as a sort of diminishing return based on how many rep tools ar3 active on a single target. To counter your argument, smart reps, coupled with players who know when to stop getting shot, is a valuable asset to the way the game is currently played. You cant fault players for using this system any more than you can fault players for using the strongest fotm fit rather than using elevated skill to augment their playing. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 426	Posted - 2015.07.17 20:45:00 - [14] - Quote Wait....... There are no "MLT Logi" Suits.. Standard and ADV have the same as their proto... if he was in an amarr logi he could only have 3 slots... Also amarr are pretty much suppress fire logis... Since they have a light and sidearm... if he had any std logi there is no reason for him not to carry a needle... you can have reps hive links and a needle... also wut Gaston said... Also Gaston if our modern Military had "The equipment like dust" Wouldn't you think they would carry our needle? But still you can't compare sci-fi to our Military but if our Military had our sci-fi items they would abuse the hell out of the needles whilst getting shot at just as much as abusing our rep tools... Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals Join Logi Heaven! Chat: "Triage Ward" Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 20:47:00 - [15] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I can't really understand what your point is. Personally, I don't like logi's who do nothing but carry around a rep tool the entire game, because I think they are pussies, but that's really the only reason that I don't like them. Somewhere in this mess of a post it seems like you are blaming them for the loss of an entire team, and that just isn't true. We won "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 20:56:00 - [16] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: So you're the kid who got presents too when it was your sibling's birthday party huh? Defuse my argument, or move on. Usually when most mercs have no argument they instead make light of the issue in hopes that no one notices the problem. Tell me what any guy repping the entire match on dying mercs did to deserve 750k? Not you, but the merc in the match above? Dude. Its not that serious. Your argument is silly. You asking why the most defenseless mercenary on the field, putting his life on the line supporting the team, is getting more money than others who are not. The argument is childish dude. I was in a gal logi when I got seven of those 17 kills.... "Anybody order chaos?"
IceShifter Childhaspawn Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance 721	Posted - 2015.07.17 21:40:00 - [17] - Quote Maybe we rep because we don't have a gun game. Maybe we rep because we WANT our squad to have ammo, links that aren't 15 second timers, or a proto scanner to keep them aware. Maybe Im thankful I get that payout when I die 10 times in a suit carrying proto scan, hives, links and my favorite FW repper. Sprinting around in a scout suit sounds fun. Shooting the Jump fit Officer MD fits sounds fun too, I cannot. I die. I come back and still help my squad however I can and that huge payout SOMETIMES helps me break even. Ill work on that running away (not getting shot) thing, but I cant leave my squad behind. Have fun with your tanks. It's hard to beat up hundreds of armor piercing bullets using only your face...
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 21:47:00 - [18] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I agreed with you at first about someone who was only going logi to make bank being detrimental to the team. But then you started whining and saying things should be done based entirely off your opinion. Like removing the rep tool. And you know very ******* well that, in the army, if they had some sort of tool that could heal their soldiers as they were getting shot they would use the fck* out of it, and there would be several dedicated healers in every troupe. Don't give us this bull **** about how in the army you guys do it differently than a futuristic sci-fi game does. Of course you f*cking do. You don't have nearly the same capabilities as this imaginary future army does. Go stick a needle up your ass if you want one so bad, and don't compare video game logistics priorities to actual people who actually get hurt and actually die. My reference to military tactics was to point out that, under no circumstance, will a soldier perform buddy aid while under fire! What he will do is pull his buddy to safely quickly (pick him up) if possible, ask him to perform self aid if he is capable (self reps), and help him after the firefight! As much as we like to seperate game from reality when it is convenient, the fact that tactics on a tactical shooter video game are remarkably similar! The fact that one prefers watching you take dmg while they make points like the slots, over helping you engage targets is the problem. How many matches do you see where some logi on the enemy team gets 4000+ wp on a loss at the top of the leaderboard with no kills? Then this far sack gets more isk payout over the guys who were actually trying to win? Yeah, even on a video game that backwards. "Anybody order chaos?"
Darken-Sol Intruder Excluder 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 21:51:00 - [19] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Anyone not scared to **** off logis? Get a job. Quit hatin. You should find more useful ways to contribute. Crush them
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 21:54:00 - [20] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: Maybe we rep because we don't have a gun game. Maybe we rep because we WANT our squad to have ammo, links that aren't 15 second timers, or a proto scanner to keep them aware. Maybe Im thankful I get that payout when I die 10 times in a suit carrying proto scan, hives, links and my favorite FW repper. Sprinting around in a scout suit sounds fun. Shooting the Jump fit Officer MD fits sounds fun too, I cannot. I die. I come back and still help my squad however I can and that huge payout SOMETIMES helps me break even. Ill work on that running away (not getting shot) thing, but I cant leave my squad behind. Have fun with your tanks. That's fine, but if you drop links, use needles, scan, and drop ammo at the same time to support the fight, the scrub who just reps will get paid more without any of those! That's the problem! I am a gal logi, and do all of those things. Lucky for me I know how to shoot too, but even if you don't, support can be rendered through equipment and support fire.... but your payout would be less?! However, if you rep, without doing any off the other 4, you'll be paid more? Why? Because points on the rep tools rack up! Even with advanced rep tools. The logi that's actually helping the team, for real, will get paid less because the other tools yield less points consistantly. Put a rep tool on an assault, and see if you don't get paid more lol! The thing is a 900k SP jackpot lol! My tank at proto cost more isk and SP, but I'll get paid less than someone with that tool? Really? "Anybody order chaos?"

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 21:55:00 - [21] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Anyone not scared to **** off logis? Get a job. Quit hatin. You should find more useful ways to contribute. Apparently I just need a rep tool, and no spine lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 22:01:00 - [22] - Quote I somewhat agree with what you're saying, and I've actually addressed it in some detail on this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2831241#post2831241 Official CPM Platform
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 22:07:00 - [23] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: I somewhat agree with what you're saying, and I've actually addressed it in some detail on this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2831241#post2831241 This makes all the sense in the world! However, most war point "gathererers" won't agree?! Remember, watching everyone else work is hard. "Anybody order chaos?"
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 22:32:00 - [24] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: I somewhat agree with what you're saying, and I've actually addressed it in some detail on this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2831241#post2831241 This makes all the sense in the world! However, most war point "gathererers" won't agree?! Remember, watching everyone else work is hard. Well the good news there is that I'm Primarily a Logi myself, so I have some insight on this topic. I just feel the WP can be more representative of how much you actually contribute to your team. Not to nitpick though, impossible to say precisely what a WP should be worth in all instances, but some of it is noticeably off. Official CPM Platform
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 311	Posted - 2015.07.17 22:37:00 - [25] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I agreed with you at first about someone who was only going logi to make bank being detrimental to the team. But then you started whining and saying things should be done based entirely off your opinion. Like removing the rep tool. And you know very ******* well that, in the army, if they had some sort of tool that could heal their soldiers as they were getting shot they would use the fck* out of it, and there would be several dedicated healers in every troupe. Don't give us this bull **** about how in the army you guys do it differently than a futuristic sci-fi game does. Of course you fcking do. You don't have nearly the same capabilities as this imaginary future army does. Go stick a needle up your ass if you want one so bad, and don't compare video game logistics priorities to actual people who actually get hurt and actually die. My reference to military tactics was to point out that, under no circumstance, will a soldier perform buddy aid while under fire! What he will do is pull his buddy to safely quickly (pick him up) if possible, ask him to perform self aid if he is capable (self reps), and help him after the firefight! As much as we like to seperate game from reality when it is convenient, the fact that tactics on a tactical shooter video game are remarkably similar! The fact that one prefers watching you take dmg while they make points like the slots, over helping you engage targets is the problem. How many matches do you see where some logi on the enemy team gets 4000+ wp on a loss at the top of the leaderboard with no kills? Then this far sack gets more isk payout over the guys who were actually trying to win? Yeah, even on a video game that backwards. Under no circumstances at present date with present technology**should* a soldier perform medical aid in the midst of combat, but it very likely does happen at least sometimes if the soldier is in dire need and the threat isn't too large. But are you seriously trying to say that if we had access to a magical heal-me gun that could perfectly patch up wounds as they were being inflicted that the army would not try to have at least one dedicated healer to every two or three combatant soldiers just because, at present with present technology, we drag them out of danger and ask them to tend to themselves? When, if we had the magical heal-me guns, we could just point it at him for a few seconds and he'd be right back up on his feet? Reviving someone is incredibly important, yes. But keeping guns in the fight actually is more important than putting a gun back into the fight. And I will explain it to you. You are healing your allies who are guarding the doorway and keeping enemy troops from infiltrating. A few stray bullets get through and catch the guy next to you, who was firing out the doorway to keep enemies back. He falls. You have two options here. You can keep repping the guys who are in immediate danger and making sure everyone inside the building stays alive and the point is secure until you have the time to get your fallen comrade and hope you're in time, OR you can stop for just a meager three, four, maybe five seconds while you stop healing, turn around, put the rep tool away, pull out your needle, stab the guy back into conciousness, turn back around, pull your rep tool back out a- whoops, one of the guys guarding the door got shot too much while you were busy and he is down. You're now being rushed. You can't revive the guy who got downed in the doorway without being killed, yourself, leaving the rest of your team down a vital asset and ensuring loss. You, as a logi, are literally the holding point. When you die, match over. Your only option is to pull back and hold them in the halls, but the enemy has now gained entrance to the building. How long do you think that's going to last? Even here in Dust when there's literally no risk except a point added to your KD/R, there will be small lulls in combat that are the opportune time to stick the needle to someone. And when, in Dust, there's a spawn point just a few meters away, you're probably fine with letting the guy sit for a second or two. Real life is different, though, and if you can manage to keep someone from falling in the first place, that is vastly more important. Now, I'm not saying that repping is the most defining factor in a victory. I'm not saying that people who only rep should get a free pass because 'they're helping their team'. I'm not saying not to bother with a needle because the rep tool is more important. Every logi should have a needle. A tanked commando carrying a needle would be damn amazing. Taking the hits and covering the body while he picks up a guy. Even better if he's got someone to rep him while he's under fire doing it. Hell, I'd like it if scouts who had a spare equipment slot would carry at least a basic needle if they pass by someone who needs it and wasn't double tapped. Reviving someone should only be done when it's safe for both parties. You should not rep or revive people unless you're both under cover or there are multiple allies around to draw away fire. Tagging behind someone with a rep tool for the sole purpose of letting them get hit is a ** thing to do. But it's sheer stupidity to say the rep tool should be removed just because some ***** is using it to farm your teammates for ISK and SP and he's... making more than you.
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 368	Posted - 2015.07.17 22:41:00 - [26] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: So, He was repping the entire match! He went 0/15, no assist, and 6500+ war points for a payout of 750k! What in the actual ** CCP! He essentially watch people die while milking their bodies for points?! The was a nerf the rep tool post and I agreed with the consensus that the warpoint bonus should be reduced from 25 to 15, I do get more war points than slayers and that is unfair However I would suggest you reduce the emotion in your complaints in this forum, People will just mock you for a being a whiny ***
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 313	Posted - 2015.07.17 22:43:00 - [27] - Quote Now, I get what you're saying. The payout for being a 'dedicated' repper is tremendous. And generally more than the people who actually work for their pay get. But you need to work on how you phrase things, because you're mostly coming off as whining.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 22:47:00 - [28] - Quote I will use a rep tool occasionally when I logi. It is "better money" to use a basic/standard one than a proto because the longer you rep, the more WP you get. If they want to fix rep tools, just change the WP they give based on the equipment Proto: 25 Adv: 15 Std/Mlt: 5 See if more people don't break out proto rep tools if they want to rep. They will repair faster so less WP gained per and there is an excuse to do something OTHER than just rep the whole time and milk points off teammates. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 818	Posted - 2015.07.17 23:11:00 - [29] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I can't really understand what your point is. Personally, I don't like logi's who do nothing but carry around a rep tool the entire game, because I think they are pussies. wait a second... And bradic I don't understand what your trying to prove. You want to Nerf logins? Improve reward system? Or tell us about a past event that doesn't matter or happens often enough to matter? Meh don't care. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) No.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 886	Posted - 2015.07.17 23:15:00 - [30] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Stuff Thats peanuts, brother. Ive made 1.5 million and some change from a public match as a logi before. Everyone knows repair tool and uplinks give way too many points (and nanohives give way too few).



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