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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
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Posted - 2015.07.18 04:04:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:
I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!
Well Logi's are the Vultures of the battlefield. We only do well when our team does badly ;) The more you get hurt, die, spawn in and expend ammo the more points we earn. About the only non negative way a logi can earn Wp (other than normal killing/hacking etc) is scanners. And a mere 15 wp per squad kill while they are light up is kind of weak. Though with 16 man squads in PC I suppose that would happen more often than previously. Pub matches though scanners are worthless for WP. Scanners are definitely one piece of equipment you should praise any logi for using, it's about the worst pay out in terms of points of any thing he could be using.
The main one I use :)
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Veg Hegirin
DUST University Ivy League
103
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Posted - 2015.07.18 04:51:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!
- Implying that a good assault is more important than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault does more work than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault has more impact on the outcome than a good logi
- implying that a good assault deserves better rewards than a good logi
- Implying that logi is not a force multiplier
- Implying that your K:D is more important than keeping your team effective
Do you see why people might be taking issue with that fact that you think n+1 > 2n ?
Is sticking your rep tool up the arse of a good heavy ludicrously easy? Sure Does it always help your team? Not necessarily Can it help your team a great deal, and do you get more WP when it does? You bet your Paridae Is just this enough reason to change the WP gain of reps? No. Stop whining.
Scrub-a-dub-dub
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.18 05:05:00 -
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Veg Hegirin wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!
- Implying that a good assault is more important than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault does more work than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault has more impact on the outcome than a good logi
- implying that a good assault deserves better rewards than a good logi
- Implying that logi is not a force multiplier
- Implying that your K:D is more important than keeping your team effective
Do you see why people might be taking issue with that fact that you think n+1 > 2n ? Is sticking your rep tool up the arse of a good heavy ludicrously easy? Sure Does it always help your team? Not necessarily Can it help your team a great deal, and do you get more WP when it does? You bet your Paridae Is just this enough reason to change the WP gain of reps? No. Stop whining.
The entire basis of your rebuttal is based on the fact that you assume he is talking about a good logi vs a rep hooker. Not. The. Same.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
521
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Posted - 2015.07.18 05:55:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:you wanna know why most logis dont pack needles anymore? KD whores(like yourself im sure) whined and whined and whined that logis were ruining their precious KD and made it so you cant pick someone up unless they ask for it. By the way next to noone requests a revive.
Are you serious? You think KDR whores are the reason for the change in reviving people with needles?
The reason the revive with needles was changed was because of a$$hole Logi's who whored after WPs by forcing one of their teammates into a constant cycle of death. A$$hole Logi's would revive a teammate knowing damn well their teammate was still in the line of fire of the enemy. After the teammate immediately dies the Logi would revive him again just to watch him immediately die again.
I once died 9 times in a row because of that crap.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.07.18 06:45:00 -
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The Combat Logistics of Chromosome are gone. Now nearly all Logis are incompetent minions who drew the short straws.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:45:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Veg Hegirin wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!
- Implying that a good assault is more important than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault does more work than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault has more impact on the outcome than a good logi
- implying that a good assault deserves better rewards than a good logi
- Implying that logi is not a force multiplier
- Implying that your K:D is more important than keeping your team effective
Do you see why people might be taking issue with that fact that you think n+1 > 2n ? Is sticking your rep tool up the arse of a good heavy ludicrously easy? Sure Does it always help your team? Not necessarily Can it help your team a great deal, and do you get more WP when it does? You bet your Paridae Is just this enough reason to change the WP gain of reps? No. Stop whining. The entire basis of your rebuttal is based on the fact that you assume he is talking about a good logi vs a rep hooker. Not. The. Same.
To be fair what I read of the original post, he was talking about a competent logi. The guy broke 6k WP. You can't do that just being an idiot with a rep tool. 2-3k sure, maybe 4k or so if your squad leader or got the defend order on you. But imo 6k takes some serious effort, naho hives, uplinks maybe a few revives and kill assist. Especially since it was a Skirm match I believe. Which would mean less enemies are funneling into a single point for the logi to rep a heavy or two on.
Though WP isn't everything. If your doing your job some times and sticking with the squad and defending an objective that doesn't really see any action your not going to get any WP. |
Veg Hegirin
DUST University Ivy League
104
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Posted - 2015.07.18 09:56:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Veg Hegirin wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?!
- Implying that a good assault is more important than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault does more work than a good logi
- Implying that a good assault has more impact on the outcome than a good logi
- implying that a good assault deserves better rewards than a good logi
- Implying that logi is not a force multiplier
- Implying that your K:D is more important than keeping your team effective
Do you see why people might be taking issue with that fact that you think n+1 > 2n ? Is sticking your rep tool up the arse of a good heavy ludicrously easy? Sure Does it always help your team? Not necessarily Can it help your team a great deal, and do you get more WP when it does? You bet your Paridae Is just this enough reason to change the WP gain of reps? No. Stop whining. The entire basis of your rebuttal is based on the fact that you assume he is talking about a good logi vs a rep hooker. Not. The. Same.
No, at most half my rebuttal is about rep-up-the-arse logi, which incidentally is what he is trying to reduce his friends logi efforts to:
Bradric Banewolf wrote:Now I know a lot of logis will somehow justify how he was helping, but seriously in this battle everyone he was repping died tons!
The first half of my argument is about good logi, and the fact that, frankly, they get more WP because they contribute more.
He is literally saying that, being equally skilled and contributing, a slayer should get more WP than a logi which is whiny entitled bullshit.
Scrub-a-dub-dub
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Sned TheDead
Failures inc.
459
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:08:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Sned TheDead wrote:I want to respond to this in a constructive way.
to agree with you on some points, and show you the error of your ways in others, but unfortunately for you, you seem to have a vendetta.
Regardless, I am here to say a few simple things;
First - All self-respecting logis mid game should have a needle on their suit. its how it is, needles are arguably the most important piece of equipment you can carry, so do so.
Second - Rep Tool, love it, hate it, it has a purpose - to prepare your team for an assault, and to keep them alive through it. There is a reason it gives so much points - because it works. imagine that, something that helps the the team, and gives them the chance to survive against heavier fire power gives out a ton of points. hmm wonder why -_-.
Third, and Final - So what are you complaining about exactly? Because all I read was a bunch of tears on the fact that you only got 400k isk, and a guy you were running with got 700k. Are you jealous? Is that what this is about? virtual currency that has no effect on the real world? Really? Man grow a pair, and have fun once in a while, don't complain on how some one who used a piece of equipment rather than a gun got more WP than you.
Sned T. Dead.
Post Script - also a good logi knows when to shoot, and if you don't, its before your buddy dies. shoot first, rep after. It just makes sense. And if you do not carry a needle, for shame, for shame. Agree, and no there's no hate or jealously. I think my post was taken incorrectly. I wrote it right after a battle where I was very heated after the battle so I may have came off that way. I dislike the idea that all the work that goes into winning a battle isn't rewarded better, but if you repping it's practically insta-pay?! I see such poor tactics from so many repping logis it's a bit frustrating. Then they get paid tons for basically helping you lose?! How are they helping you lose?
By repairing your armour?
By resupplying your ammo?
By scanning to show where the weak points are?
By dropping links to allow you to get to the battlefield faster?
By picking you up to ensure you are at full force when you push?
These are the duty's of a logi.
There are very few rewards to these duty's other than isk, which rarely allows us to break even in a good match.
700k would pay for one.
let me repeat that.
One.
Of my proto suits.
One.
That is why there are so many Logis who wp *****.
Remember that.
While you may be able to break even in that match, isk wise, your buddy just lost an inane amount of isk if he was running proto.
We don't come cheap, but we do our best. Next time consider this, I lose as much isk almost every battle as you do in a battle when the enemy team is all running proto AV against your tank, and you proceed to bring out four anyway.
A rep tool has its time and place, it is not the most useful piece of equipment to have IMO, but does that stop me from running one?
No.
I am a min logi, I will play to my strengths.
Which includes a rep bonus.
Though the fact remains, you have to know when to shoot as a logi, you can NOT be caught with your tool in your hands(had to, I'm a child some times).
Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
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gekko k
Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact
98
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Posted - 2015.07.18 13:30:00 -
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I said something similar in this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2545262#post2545262
The consensus is that logis need more incentive to do their job due to lack of interest in the role. |
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